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Or Blood Elves or Undead Elves.

It's just another offering of Sex Elves, really.

 red_rogue wrote:

The models suffer from a lack of definition in the musculature that would be under stress in these poses. Without it, the models look posed "at rest". There is no sense of motion. The models are lifeless, characterless. The lack of muscular stress makes even the most interesting looking models boring. Also, vary the facial expressions on the models to avoid "automaton face". Lots of potential here, but these models should not be considered properly finished.

For sure we will continue our work on miniatures.

Here is long way from the concept art to the miniature.

She paints up nicely, doesn't she?

Sorry, mate. I really like the Norsgard Orcs, but these elves have missed the mark for me. There's nothing that makes them unique - for example, Celtos elves are muscled and really mean, and the Deadzone elf things are tall and slender.

But this looks like another human dual-wield fighter/rogue.

I think the poser needs to look up the terms "line of action" and "gesture drawing".

@gokhm - I have to agree with you. In Norsgard orcs are something really different, but I never wanted to keep all armies unique in design. Elves are vanilla army, because it was something I wanted to get. However, I will still work with the sculptor to make those elves better and we will make some adjustments in poses and face expression. Now elves are still WIPs. All in all this is the reason why I decided to go on IGG.

Please just keep in mind that I am giving elves the same attention as it was in case of orcs. The same artists are working on elves, but as I mentioned I wanted to get different effect. I hope that fluff/background for this faction will make a difference.

I would try to get some semblance of that fluff background onto the model. When I read ice elves, I came in looking for furs or harpoons, something neat.

Then I read the fluff on how they were undead and I was like.. "Nothing that says Ice. Nothing that says undead other than skull-panties."

Add some stitching to the model. Add some rot. Add something other than sexy lingerie.

First of all thank you for all your comments. I see a lot of right in yours comments. However, let me show how things look from my point of view. First of all Norsgard is nowadays just a small project, which I run in my free time. It means that things are going much slower compared to professional companies. Of course it does not mean that quality of Norsgard is bad. I know that miniatures have very good quality.

We can argue about design, but speaking honestly all of you are right that Blood Witches are not very original. As I already said that is on purpose. I wanted to have some generic miniatures in my line especially now when line is small. It would be great to see elves not only on Norsgard's battlefields, but also as miniatures for RPG or even as proxy. If you want something really original in Norsgard universe than go for orcs. Sadly, elves will need some time. I already have playtested army list for the elves and I can assure you that there is a place for more undead/demonic elves like already released:



Here you have stitches and muscles/tendons visible. However, sculpting such miniatures is much harder than Blood Witches. Two of such elves will be also bigger miniatures (40mm base). In order to get desired quality I have to get funds for it. Just give me some time and I will try to do my best.

Please keep in mind that I am not looking for any excuse. I am just telling you how things look from my side. I really spent a lot of time working on this project and I really encourage you to try the rules and play view battles or even start campaign. You can download the rulebook from Norsgard's website. So, just take some miniatures from other games and try it.

IGG campaign link https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ice-elves-army/x/610616#activity

ok, time for next update. This time scale comparison:



plus some background for Innri Guard and renders

The life of a barbarian is a never-ending struggle. Their society is pervaded and governed by fanatical devotion to cruelty. Yet even in a group as vicious and bloodthirsty as this there is place for spiritual leaders, for those who would bring reason to the coming slaughter, reveal its purpose, turn a gore-soaked meadow into hallowed ground. In the Howling Horde, this role is served by the Silent Council. They are shamans capable of communicating with demons, casting curses, and with the slightest touch draining a hardened warrior dry of life. To ensure own safety, they have founded a private guard, all its members having total control over their battle frenzy. This uncanny ability has allowed them to make it through more battles than most of their kinsmen can boast. Whenever the Silent Council would assign greater significance to a battle, they send out one or two Innri Guards. They are to see to it that the fight ends with barbarian victory so that another blood ritual may be performed, bolstering the Council’s leverage in the Horde.

We still have enough time to reach the goal. However, time is running it is high time to join the battle!

First of all we are still working on our elves. We tried version with stitches, but it loooks like that this is not good idea. Now I can say for sure NO STITHCES. On the other hand work is not totally wasted, because in the same time sculptor is working on pose and face expression. Work is not finished yet.

There is also one good info for our backers. Everyone will get for free Oracle of Storms if campaign will be successfully funded.

I really like the barbarians and the orcs here, and the $100 level looks like a pretty sweet deal to me. Seriously thinking about jumping in on this.

I agree. The barbarian and the orcs look outstanding. The elves look pretty awesome, too, and it really paints up well, obviously, as the picture above shows.

I am really sorry, but these are terrible.
They are bland, uninspired and all look exactly the same.
As stated before, there is no feel of motion to them, no tension, no musculature, just the same stripper body copy/pasted x5
Even the armour is exactly the same on each and every one of them.
Of course, the absurd breasts are the worst. I think (and the above comments kind of back it up), that people are tired of generic, naked pseudowarriors and would really appreciate either models of women, who are actually wearing armour, or at least their bodies look like they would stand a chance in a fighting pit.

Just some food for thought for the next release.

I'll repeat my point, though I see it merited no response earlier;

The biggest problem I have with this campaign is that it's selling a new, more expensive version of something that already exists. I don't mean to say they are identical to GW's Witch Elves, but they are certainly comparable. But they are a) more expensive (Witch Elves are 10 for $60, your Ice Elves are 5 for $33), and b) metal instead of plastic. To say nothing of the very high shipping to the US.

What gets me though is that you have the concept art for something that isn't duplicative;


A line or unit based on this could pull duty as Black Guard or Executioners, neither of which have female models (to the best of my knowledge). Your current models, whatever other consideration exist, are scantily clad elf women in a genre that has no great shortage of models of that type. There is, however, a shortage of heavily armed, sinisterly armored females like this concept art.

Just my thought.

I'll echo the above thoughts, your final concept there is the most intriguing of the options... and there's no way it will be available.

Per model is too expensive as well... and by pulling the extra detail (stitching etc) from the undead ice elves, there's nothing that makes them anything more than "Elf Hooker-Fighters."

And this.

First of all thank you for all your comments. I see a lot of right in yours comments. However, let me show how things look from my point of view.

It's good to know, but if a majority of potential customers are telling you what is missing in order for them to buy/back, you might consider shelving your personal thoughts and acquiescing to customer wishes.

However, during campaign I will not change any concepts even if it will mean not reaching the goal. Here is reason why campaign is on IGG and backers cannot cancel their pledges. So, I will try to make the best looking miniatures as it is possible, but at the same time they have to stay as close as possible to already shown renders. First of all I have to be honest to people who already support this project.

Speaking about metal vs plastic. For such small company like Norsgard it is not possible to get even close to fantastic quality of current GW miniatures. On the other hand I can offer really high quality of metal casts. So, choice was obvious here.

Of course I will consider your all opinions for the future.

Besides elves there are barbarians and orcs.

 red_rogue wrote:
However, during campaign I will not change any concepts even if it will mean not reaching the goal. Here is reason why campaign is on IGG and backers cannot cancel their pledges. So, I will try to make the best looking miniatures as it is possible, but at the same time they have to stay as close as possible to already shown renders. First of all I have to be honest to people who already support this project.

Speaking about metal vs plastic. For such small company like Norsgard it is not possible to get even close to fantastic quality of current GW miniatures. On the other hand I can offer really high quality of metal casts. So, choice was obvious here.

Of course I will consider your all opinions for the future.

Besides elves there are barbarians and orcs.

that's a very honest and clear answer. I respect this

This project is kind of odd in the sense that it's named and fronted by the elves (which I'm not that interested in), but the higher pledge levels are all geared toward the barbarians and orcs (which I think are pretty awesome). If you've only seen the elves, take another look!

As I promised it is right time to show Dark Guard. I hope that with his guidance we will reach the goal.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ice-elves-army/x/610616

Only the most knowledgeable of mages, ones that have never wavered before the enemy, fighting shoulder to shoulder with other templars from the front, may be intro­duced to the inner circle of the Dark Guard. The sorcerer wishing to command brothers bearing the mark of the betrayer must possess immense presence and courage to lead them into battle. Not unlike anything connec­ted with the Scarlet Watch, being placed in charge of its unit is not cause for celebration. As it often happens, order command assigns certain politically inconvenient mages to the Guard, sending them away to the border­lands to fend off barbarians... In spite of this ostracism, they enjoy enough trust to be allowed access to necro­mantic tomes, a fact which reflects in the spells they cast.

That's a brilliant paint job. I decided to get in on the $100 level for a nice collection of barbarians and orcs. Really hope this gets funded!