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Someone should probably tell them that Israel is Jewish
Jesus was Jewish, and Christians love Jesus
When Israel declared its independence only two countries recognized them; the United States and in a fantastic case of irony, Iran. The Christian Right in the US has always supported Israel's right to exist and the right of Jews to return to the Holy Land.
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I wish you would too, Israel might be more inclined to pursue peace if they lacked US support.
Honestly, I highly doubt that.
Economic sanctions may force their hand, they would lack the veto they effectively have in the UN.
They have no veto in the UN, as the US alone can't veto anything. France, Russia, and China are typically against Israel, with Britain as a swing vote. If we can count on anyone not to cut Israel slack, it's the UN (because Israel is like, the only country in the world the UN is ever actually bothering go after for anything).
I should have specified the security council, apologies.
It's become painfully apparent the last 10 years that Israel will never leave the West Bank on its own. It'll take a lot more than losing US support to get them to change the current course they're on. Our support for them isn't small but it's not necessary for them. They've made a point of assure the self-sufficiency of their military. They can get by without my government's help just fine. Economic sanctions are kind of a joke. They haven't stopped Iran, North Korea, or anyone really. When a country is dead set on its ideological course costing them money is just taken as a cost of achieving the goal.
Fair point, what do you think could force them into changing their current course?
It doesn't, however using modern weaponry to launch air strikes against what is essentially an open air prison that you have crippled economically, whilst actively targeting water supplies and humanitarian centres. That makes you immoral.
So you'd be ok if they used B52's to carpet bomb Gaza then? Your argument holds no merit.
No, I'd be ok when the people of Gaza aren't forced to live in abject poverty and are not bombed at all. Sorry what was your argument again?
Forced by whom?
The Hamas leaders are living in Luxury.
But, when one sides want the other side to be eradicated... what's the point?
Evidently the blockade is not sufficiently strong enough to stop Hamas from being in thousands of rockets. Thats an impressive achievement.
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It doesn't, however using modern weaponry to launch air strikes against what is essentially an open air prison that you have crippled economically, whilst actively targeting water supplies and humanitarian centres. That makes you immoral.
So you'd be ok if they used B52's to carpet bomb Gaza then? Your argument holds no merit.
No, I'd be ok when the people of Gaza aren't forced to live in abject poverty and are not bombed at all. Sorry what was your argument again?
Forced by whom?
The Hamas leaders are living in Luxury.
But, when one sides want the other side to be eradicated... what's the point?
Evidently the blockade is not sufficiently strong enough to stop Hamas from being in thousands of rockets. Thats an impressive achievement.
That would be because the ships carrying rockets are smuggling in illegal goods and so don't just sail in in full view of the Israeli navy.
The ships carrying real aid are sailing in in full view, broadcasting that they are Red Cross, or whatever. And so Israel stops them.
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Can someone please explain to me why so many US citizens are so unwavering in their support of Israel?
A combination of the Christian Right and the conservative value of a strong national defense combined together to create some amazing things sometimes.
That makes a certain amount of sense, but there has to be some serious cognitive blind spot to see Israel as the victim in this situation, and the complete disregard for the innocent people of Gaza (it often seems that they are all guilty of terrorism by association, which is utter nonsense the second you stop to think about it). Did the death of Rachael Corrie have any impact on the support for Israel? Or was she just seen by the right as some silly little liberal girl who shouldn't have been there?
It doesn't, however using modern weaponry to launch air strikes against what is essentially an open air prison that you have crippled economically, whilst actively targeting water supplies and humanitarian centres. That makes you immoral.
So you'd be ok if they used B52's to carpet bomb Gaza then? Your argument holds no merit.
No, I'd be ok when the people of Gaza aren't forced to live in abject poverty and are not bombed at all. Sorry what was your argument again?
Forced by whom?
The Hamas leaders are living in Luxury.
But, when one sides want the other side to be eradicated... what's the point?
You do know there is a blockade which prevents basic provisions from getting into Gaza right? That 30% of people's earnings are spent on getting clean water after all their wells were bulldozed or bombed? That people are dying because the basic medical supplies are lacking.
As I pointed out by linking articles above, Israelis are just as guilty of calling for genocide, and Hamas are actually willing to engage in a peace process.
This.
Is.
War.
It's time for the world to recognize this for what it is...
This is not a skirmish in some rough neighborhood. This is not Israel getting a boner for bullying their adversaries. This is absolutely one side (and their supporters) who wants to eradicate Israel.
What you're watching is a Proxy War over Israel's existance.
I understand where you're coming from: You're looking at this as a humanitarian crisis that Israel is not free from culpability. As human beings, we should always speak to this as a reminder that war is ugly in the hopes that loss of innocent lives are mitigated.
Can someone please explain to me why so many US citizens are so unwavering in their support of Israel?
It has nothing to do with religion as Lordofhat is insinuating...
We see a country/group fighting for their literal existance. That's all.
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It's become painfully apparent the last 10 years that Israel will never leave the West Bank on its own. It'll take a lot more than losing US support to get them to change the current course they're on. Our support for them isn't small but it's not necessary for them. They've made a point of assure the self-sufficiency of their military. They can get by without my government's help just fine. Economic sanctions are kind of a joke. They haven't stopped Iran, North Korea, or anyone really. When a country is dead set on its ideological course costing them money is just taken as a cost of achieving the goal.
Fair point, what do you think could force them into changing their current course?
A miracle and a significant shift in the domestic politics of the Israeli government. Zionism (or rather its probably better described as Neo-Zionism) is still a prominent political ideology on all sides of the political theater. Post-Zionism being something primarily embraced by academia in Israel, public opinion could shift over the next few generations. Maybe. The New Historians made huge waves in the Ivory Tower. Outside the Ivory Tower not so much.
It has nothing to do with religion as Lordofhat is insinuating...
We see a country/group fighting for their literal existance. That's all.
Yes. The Republican party took up the cause of Israel's eternal struggle back in 1982 solely because they saw a country in a hard fight, and for no other possible reason. Elections? Pft. They didn't need votes back then.
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It doesn't, however using modern weaponry to launch air strikes against what is essentially an open air prison that you have crippled economically, whilst actively targeting water supplies and humanitarian centres. That makes you immoral.
So you'd be ok if they used B52's to carpet bomb Gaza then? Your argument holds no merit.
No, I'd be ok when the people of Gaza aren't forced to live in abject poverty and are not bombed at all. Sorry what was your argument again?
Forced by whom?
The Hamas leaders are living in Luxury.
But, when one sides want the other side to be eradicated... what's the point?
You do know there is a blockade which prevents basic provisions from getting into Gaza right? That 30% of people's earnings are spent on getting clean water after all their wells were bulldozed or bombed? That people are dying because the basic medical supplies are lacking.
As I pointed out by linking articles above, Israelis are just as guilty of calling for genocide, and Hamas are actually willing to engage in a peace process.
This.
Is.
War.
It's time for the world to recognize this for what it is...
This is not a skirmish in some rough neighborhood. This is not Israel getting a boner for bullying their adversaries. This is absolutely one side (and their supporters) who wants to eradicate Israel.
What you're watching is a Proxy War over Israel's existance.
I understand where you're coming from: You're looking at this as a humanitarian crisis that Israel is not free from culpability. As human beings, we should always speak to this as a reminder that war is ugly in the hopes that loss of innocent lives are mitigated.
Can someone please explain to me why so many US citizens are so unwavering in their support of Israel?
It has nothing to do with religion as Lordofhat is insinuating...
We see a country/group fighting for their literal existance. That's all.
If it is war then Israel is committing war crimes. Put their leaders on trial.
Also, how is a small group of terrorists with some Rockets threatening the existence of Israel, a country with modern weapons and equipment?
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1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
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You have an interesting way of reading articles. The one from Moshe Feiglin honestly feels completely reasonable. And like it or not it is a solution to the problem. It even proposes that those that choose to stay and weren't involved with militants would become citizens. The rest is just a common sense way to run a war and finish the issue. Definitely calling for the extermination of the Palenstinian people.
The other sounds just like something out of most media involved in a war. I lost count of the number of op-ed's that were in US media during the height of our wars in Afganistan and Iraq. It's long on wind and rhetoric. Happens with columns like that.
My support for Israel isn't unwavering. I'm sure they could do something that would push me out of my support for them. What's happening in Gaza isn't it though. I can't imagine what would happen to a country that was shooting rockets at America (even if they weren't causing civilian casualties). I find Israel's response to be a feather touch in comparison.
Meh, it's just another round. Two solutions exist. Everyone becomes a citizen of Israel and calms the f-down. Or Israel removes the Palestinians from the area. In some ways I feel sorry for the Palestinians. I feel that they get used by the anti-Israel organizations. Those orgnizations are hindering the unification of the country.
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It doesn't, however using modern weaponry to launch air strikes against what is essentially an open air prison that you have crippled economically, whilst actively targeting water supplies and humanitarian centres. That makes you immoral.
So you'd be ok if they used B52's to carpet bomb Gaza then? Your argument holds no merit.
No, I'd be ok when the people of Gaza aren't forced to live in abject poverty and are not bombed at all. Sorry what was your argument again?
Forced by whom?
The Hamas leaders are living in Luxury.
But, when one sides want the other side to be eradicated... what's the point?
You do know there is a blockade which prevents basic provisions from getting into Gaza right? That 30% of people's earnings are spent on getting clean water after all their wells were bulldozed or bombed? That people are dying because the basic medical supplies are lacking.
As I pointed out by linking articles above, Israelis are just as guilty of calling for genocide, and Hamas are actually willing to engage in a peace process.
This.
Is.
War.
It's time for the world to recognize this for what it is...
This is not a skirmish in some rough neighborhood. This is not Israel getting a boner for bullying their adversaries. This is absolutely one side (and their supporters) who wants to eradicate Israel.
What you're watching is a Proxy War over Israel's existance.
I understand where you're coming from: You're looking at this as a humanitarian crisis that Israel is not free from culpability. As human beings, we should always speak to this as a reminder that war is ugly in the hopes that loss of innocent lives are mitigated.
Can someone please explain to me why so many US citizens are so unwavering in their support of Israel?
It has nothing to do with religion as Lordofhat is insinuating...
We see a country/group fighting for their literal existance. That's all.
If it is war then Israel is committing war crimes. Put their leaders on trial.
How so? Be very specific and what legal justification.
Because if it were that easy... I can see The Hague itching to put Israel on trial.
Also, how is a small group of terrorists with some Rockets threatening the existence of Israel, a country with modern weapons and equipment?
A) because it isn't just about the Hamas. There are other powerful groups who wants this Proxy War.
B) what else should Israel do? One state solution? Two state solution? Given that, if any one of those occured, do you really think there will be Peace in this region?
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I doubt anyone will get far thinking Israel will ever be charged with war crimes. Creating a humanitarian crisis? *shakes hand* eh, maybe.
A one state solution, might have worked. A long ass time ago before this became such a dug in conflict. A two state solution can work, but expecting that to end all violence is naive. There will be terrorists in that place attacking Israel for generations no matter what. But instead of a conflict of Israel vs Palestine it could be a conflict of Israel + Palestine vs the extremists who want to destroy them both.
LordofHats wrote: Yes. The Republican party took up the cause of Israel's eternal struggle back in 1982 solely because they saw a country in a hard fight, and for no other possible reason. Elections? Pft. They didn't need votes back then.
Stable democracies and reliable allies in that region are remarkably hard to come by. Come to think of it, Israel's the only one.
That might have something to do with it. But simplistic conservative-bashing is going to go out style around the time, "Won't someone please think of the (Palestinian in this case) children!" hand-wringing, so have at it.
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LordofHats wrote: I doubt anyone will get far thinking Israel will ever be charged with war crimes. Creating a humanitarian crisis? *shakes hand* eh, maybe.
A one state solution, might have worked. A long ass time ago before this became such a dug in conflict. A two state solution can work, but expecting that to end all violence is naive. There will be terrorists in that place attacking Israel for generations no matter what. But instead of a conflict of Israel vs Palestine it could be a conflict of Israel + Palestine vs the extremists who want to destroy them both.
I'm going to make an understatement:
The Palestinians haven't shown themselves to be terribly reliable at policing their own.
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You have an interesting way of reading articles. The one from Moshe Feiglin honestly feels completely reasonable. And like it or not it is a solution to the problem. It even proposes that those that choose to stay and weren't involved with militants would become citizens. The rest is just a common sense way to run a war and finish the issue. Definitely calling for the extermination of the Palenstinian people.
The other sounds just like something out of most media involved in a war. I lost count of the number of op-ed's that were in US media during the height of our wars in Afganistan and Iraq. It's long on wind and rhetoric. Happens with columns like that.
My support for Israel isn't unwavering. I'm sure they could do something that would push me out of my support for them. What's happening in Gaza isn't it though. I can't imagine what would happen to a country that was shooting rockets at America (even if they weren't causing civilian casualties). I find Israel's response to be a feather touch in comparison.
Meh, it's just another round. Two solutions exist. Everyone becomes a citizen of Israel and calms the f-down. Or Israel removes the Palestinians from the area. In some ways I feel sorry for the Palestinians. I feel that they get used by the anti-Israel organizations. Those orgnizations are hindering the unification of the country.
The Sharon article explicitly calls for the extermination of a people, thats not cool, and yet for some reason Hamas is the only side which calls for the extermination of the other if you listen to some people.
You seem able to place yourself in the shoes of Israel, perhaps try it with Palestine, another country, say Russia, claims your land, is given a set of borders but ignores them and keeps encroaching more, they take everything from you and force your economy down to pan. At what point does the US, a country so enamoured with the idea of armed rebellion against its own government, when do you take up arms?
I fail to see your solutions as solutions, the one is abhorrent (where would they go? and why should they go? who is going to take these millions of refugees? and again, why should they)
The other is possibly even worse, Israel is a "Jewish State", if it were secular then perhaps a single state solution could work, otherwise you are making people second class citizens based on the religion they are born into. A two state solution is the only option while Israel wishes to be a Jewish state.
Seaward wrote: But simplistic conservative-bashing is going to go out style around the time, "Won't someone please think of the (Palestinian in this case) children!" hand-wringing, so have at it.
I don't even see how on anything I said earth that's conservative bashing. Why does Israel find so much support among the US government? A whole bunch of geo-political reasons, but the typical voter doesn't give a damn about any of them. How do you get the typical voter to back you? You give them something they do give a damn about; the right of a state to defend itself from attack and religion are both strong contenders in the connect with voter race.
When the religious right was being courted by the Regan coalition, one of the things that ended up bringing them on board was a strong stance in support of Israel. This stance has since bled over into the general scene of conservative politics. That's not bashing anyone. It's just acknowledging the politics of the subject for what they are.
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Seaward wrote: The Palestinians haven't shown themselves to be terribly reliable at policing their own.
I'm just gonna take that as a pun about all the low level police officers in the West Bank who deal with PNA out the front door and Hamas out the back door
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dæl wrote: You seem able to place yourself in the shoes of Israel, perhaps try it with Palestine, another country, say Russia, claims your land, is given a set of borders but ignores them and keeps encroaching more, they take everything from you and force your economy down to pan. At what point does the US, a country so enamoured with the idea of armed rebellion against its own government, when do you take up arms?
When do I take up arms? Immediately.
When do I lay them down? When I've made no progress in 65 years. Winners never quit, and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots.
I fail to see your solutions as solutions, the one is abhorrent (where would they go? and why should they go? who is going to take these millions of refugees? and again, why should they)
Certainly none of their neighboring Muslim backers.
dæl wrote: You seem able to place yourself in the shoes of Israel, perhaps try it with Palestine, another country, say Russia, claims your land, is given a set of borders but ignores them and keeps encroaching more, they take everything from you and force your economy down to pan. At what point does the US, a country so enamoured with the idea of armed rebellion against its own government, when do you take up arms?
When do I take up arms? Immediately.
When do I lay them down? When I've made no progress in 65 years. Winners never quit, and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots.
So you supported the Palestinian cause for the first 65 years? Or not at all?
I fail to see your solutions as solutions, the one is abhorrent (where would they go? and why should they go? who is going to take these millions of refugees? and again, why should they)
Certainly none of their neighboring Muslim backers.
Why should any country take millions of refugees? Would you be happy for the US take them?
Also, do you think the entire Palestinian people are some hive mind who all unswervingly support Islamic extremism?
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LordofHats wrote: I doubt anyone will get far thinking Israel will ever be charged with war crimes. Creating a humanitarian crisis? *shakes hand* eh, maybe.
A one state solution, might have worked. A long ass time ago before this became such a dug in conflict. A two state solution can work, but expecting that to end all violence is naive. There will be terrorists in that place attacking Israel for generations no matter what. But instead of a conflict of Israel vs Palestine it could be a conflict of Israel + Palestine vs the extremists who want to destroy them both.
So what you're really saying is, if Israel wants peace, it has to take out everyone in Gaza. Thats no bueno either.
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So what you're really saying is, if Israel wants peace, it has to take out everyone in Gaza. Thats no bueno either.
... Well... In a super dark HBO original series sort of way, it would technically end the conflict XD
EDIT I don't care about some absolute idea of peace that much. I consider that impossible. I do think that the conflict as it is now can end however, which is ultimately better for everyone involved.
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Why should any country take millions of refugees? Would you be happy for the US take them?
Becuase the Gaza strip is actually Egyptian territory, and the West Bank is Jordanian territory, thats why.
Its interesting that their own countries won't take them.
EDIT: I take that back Before Israel conquered it, it was controlled by the Egyptians. Before Egypt, for ten years it was "independent" but controlled by Egypt. Before 1948 it was controlled by Britain
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Why should any country take millions of refugees? Would you be happy for the US take them?
Becuase the Gaza strip is actually Egyptian territory, and the West Bank is Jordanian territory, thats why.
Its interesting that their own countries won't take them.
Hrm, calling them Jordanian and Egyptian isn't entirely true. Both were claimed only in the 1948 war. Jordan's claim on the West Bank wasn't recognized by other Arab nations, and was only officially recognized by Britain, Iraq and Pakistan. In any event, it ceded it's claims to the PLO nearly 30 years ago. Likewise, Egypt gave up Gaza as part of the 1978 Camp David accords.
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dæl wrote: If Israel didn't want to face rocket attacks perhaps they shouldn't elect people like Michael Ben-Ari who claimed “There are no innocents in Gaza … mow them (all) down”. Or Moshe Feiglin who offered this "solution" to the conflict. Perhaps the Jerusalem Post shouldn't publish things like this.
Should we start posting what Hamas thinks of Israel? You'll find far less savory quotes from people who are in higher positions of power than the son (who is such an important player there isn't even a Wiki page for him) of a former Prime Minister, or Deputy Speaker of the Knesset who advocates "The GSS and IDF will thoroughly eliminate all armed enemies from Gaza. The enemy population that is innocent of wrong-doing and separated itself from the armed terrorists will be treated in accordance with international law and will be allowed to leave. Israel will generously aid those who wish to leave"
Want to tell us how Hamas sees this being resolved long term? How about what Hamas teaches school children?
But, when one sides want the other side to be eradicated... what's the point?
You do know there is a blockade which prevents basic provisions from getting into Gaza right? That 30% of people's earnings are spent on getting clean water after all their wells were bulldozed or bombed? That people are dying because the basic medical supplies are lacking.
As I pointed out by linking articles above, Israelis are just as guilty of calling for genocide, and Hamas are actually willing to engage in a peace process.
Can someone please explain to me why so many US citizens are so unwavering in their support of Israel?
I'm sure you're aware that Hamas' leaders are being bankrolled by Qatar. So they are affected a lot less than the average person. Hence Whembley's reference to their leaders.
If you want to stop Hamas you need to stop the flow of weapons, show them that aggression doesn't work, and get Qatar to the table too
In happier news, a guy I trained (and who I never thought would make an acceptable soldier) is apparently kicking some serious ass, judging by his FB updates!
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NuggzTheNinja wrote: Soldier from my brigade was the first IDF soldier killed in ground combat in Gaza. Currently investigating a possible friendly fire case. RIP bro
In happier news, a guy I trained (and who I never thought would make an acceptable soldier) is apparently kicking some serious ass, judging by his FB updates!
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Soldier from my brigade was the first IDF soldier killed in ground combat in Gaza. Currently investigating a possible friendly fire case. RIP bro
In happier news, a guy I trained (and who I never thought would make an acceptable soldier) is apparently kicking some serious ass, judging by his FB updates!
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I wanted to add that, for everyone complaining about civilian casualties, consider this:
When the US military invaded Iraq in 2003, they didn't use roof-knocking to warn civilians of impending missile strikes, they didn't call civilians living near target areas to warn them to evacuate, and they didn't take NEARLY as much flak is Israel is currently receiving for inflicting civilian casualties.
How many civilians did the US military kill in any major operation in Iraq? One estimate says over 133,000 as a whole since 2003. Kind of hypocritical when people cry about Israel accidentally killing Arab Muslims living in Palestine but don't really give a gak about the US and its allies killing Arab Muslims living in Iraq...and let's not forget the fact that Iraq wasn't shooting rockets at American civilians.
I'm not knocking the US' performance in Iraq, only saying that the scale of civilian casualties is disproportionate for the amount of criticism Israel receives relative to other nations. If the IDF behaved like Russia, they'd have to buy body bags for every man, woman, and child in Gaza, then consider it mission accomplished.
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When the US military invaded Iraq in 2003, they didn't use roof-knocking to warn civilians of impending missile strikes, they didn't call civilians living near target areas to warn them to evacuate, and they didn't take NEARLY as much flak is Israel is currently receiving for inflicting civilian casualties.
When the US military invaded Iraq in 2003, they didn't use roof-knocking to warn civilians of impending missile strikes, they didn't call civilians living near target areas to warn them to evacuate, and they didn't take NEARLY as much flak is Israel is currently receiving for inflicting civilian casualties.
Iraq didn't last 30 years.
I don't see how that's relevant to anything I posted.
I don't see how that's relevant to anything I posted.
Because the two aren't really comparable as conflicts. Acting like we should judge the Iraq war or the Israel-Palestine conflict by the same standards is dense.
I don't see how that's relevant to anything I posted.
Because the two aren't really comparable as conflicts. Acting like we should judge the Iraq war or the Israel-Palestine conflict by the same standards is dense.
I don't see how that's relevant to anything I posted.
Because the two aren't really comparable as conflicts. Acting like we should judge the Iraq war or the Israel-Palestine conflict by the same standards is dense.
So...Arab Muslims living in Iraq don't matter when they're killed by the US military, but Arab Muslims living in Gaza matter when they're killed by the IDF? This is a curious point of view...
