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We would lke to clarify that we here at Shieldwolf Miniatures are developing an army game that will -by definition- need a high number of troops but prefer these numbers to have high quality on both sculpt and material. When we have to choose between quality and numbers, we always choose quality. What we are trying to do is maintain fair prices, and the only way to do this will be with your support.
In case someone wants a bucketload of minis, I'm afraid he will have to limit himself in more of our -hopefully soon funded- plastics (or simply not pledge).

There is a reason we have the "money-back guarantee". We cannot have people saying "I pledged for an army and received this junk instead!" just because we are legally unbound. There is a moral issue and it forces us to do our job right and be accountable for our work to our backers. Another thing we'd like to reveal with the occasion is that the discounts on the RRP (Reccomended Retail Prices) that we will be offering in this campaign will be available for all to see during the campaing, we simply hate it when people backing a project end up spending more money than people who didn't! That's how we feel a project should be planned and that's exactly what we will be doing.

Anyway we are pretty sure we can stand up to the competition. Time will tell whether we were right or not :-)

Ok am I allowed a second guess?

Valley Orcs
Arabian Humans
Undead
Swamp Orcs
Ogres

Oh yes, you are all allowed a 2nd guess! :-)

Heh. I didn't add in Ogres because I was expecting fully PVC as well.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Orcs & Goblins
Kingdom of Hell
Dracantropii
Ogres
Oak Elves


I'm assuming that the O&G force is one unified one? As opposed to several different armies. Though I'm sure they can be fielded as such.

 RivenSkull wrote:
Looking back on your facebook, the hooves on the previewed Infernals are comically over sized. Hopefully they are not the final version.

Ain't you seen the croc-mouth Orcs and the swords? Shieldwolf's raison d'être is 'comically over sized'. Yet another business pumping out poorly-thought cartoony fantasy minis, with some sort of phobia of restraint, subtlety, and 'less is more', and the assumption that manga is an ideal to reach for. 'Revolutionary', Shieldwolf? Pfyeah right.

1. Mountain Orcs
2. Ogres
3. Goblins
4. Araves
5..Oak Elves

 Vermis wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:
Looking back on your facebook, the hooves on the previewed Infernals are comically over sized. Hopefully they are not the final version.

Ain't you seen the croc-mouth Orcs and the swords? Shieldwolf's raison d'être is 'comically over sized'. Yet another business pumping out poorly-thought cartoony fantasy minis, with some sort of phobia of restraint, subtlety, and 'less is more', and the assumption that manga is an ideal to reach for. 'Revolutionary', Shieldwolf? Pfyeah right.

So, not a fan of heroic scale?

Their plastic mountain orcs actually work well as demons with the right paint job, much better than Mantic's concept art. When KoW 2 drops, Shieldwolf will be in a good position to sell.

I got a box of those orcs and they are very nice to mix with GW savage orcs. Nice sprues with interesting options.

I'd really like to see some decent Mummy miniatures.

 Azazelx wrote:
Heh. I didn't add in Ogres because I was expecting fully PVC as well.

Actually HIPS, but I understand what you're saying :-)

 Azazelx wrote:

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Orcs & Goblins
Kingdom of Hell
Dracantropii
Ogres
Oak Elves

*noted (Valley Orcs as 1st pick)

 Azazelx wrote:

I'm assuming that the O&G force is one unified one? As opposed to several different armies. Though I'm sure they can be fielded as such.

Our goblins are a mercenary indipendent race and hate Humans and Orcs, so I'm sorry but no, they will not be fielded as such and these 2 races are also the only ones that cannot hire goblins in their armies.

 Vermis wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:
Looking back on your facebook, the hooves on the previewed Infernals are comically over sized. Hopefully they are not the final version.

Ain't you seen the croc-mouth Orcs and the swords? Shieldwolf's raison d'être is 'comically over sized'. Yet another business pumping out poorly-thought cartoony fantasy minis, with some sort of phobia of restraint, subtlety, and 'less is more', and the assumption that manga is an ideal to reach for. 'Revolutionary', Shieldwolf? Pfyeah right.

Actually that would be "evolutionary" and it's really hard to comprehend why such menace in your comment, our Orcs look nothing like the others, our goblins are anything but dumb, our Elves besides their sculpting differences -as you have seen- are all in one same race although divided in factions (but have never fought each other), our death deceivers are unique worldwide, then again you might want to talk of the Trolls and skeletons, well, not much else we could've done there, but I guess to each his own. I'm sorry you don't see it like we do, the only sure thing is that it's impossible to please everyone and we'll keep going on our route. Hopefully we'll produce something you'll eventually like :-)

 NAVARRO wrote:
I got a box of those orcs and they are very nice to mix with GW savage orcs. Nice sprues with interesting options.

Thank you, glad you like them :-)

If Goblins are separate army I am thinking something along the lines of Goblin alchemist or engineers maybe. That would be great and as far as I know nobody is doing it. Keep it up Shieldwolf. wish you all the best.

 Vermis wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:
Looking back on your facebook, the hooves on the previewed Infernals are comically over sized. Hopefully they are not the final version.

Ain't you seen the croc-mouth Orcs and the swords? Shieldwolf's raison d'être is 'comically over sized'. Yet another business pumping out poorly-thought cartoony fantasy minis, with some sort of phobia of restraint, subtlety, and 'less is more', and the assumption that manga is an ideal to reach for. 'Revolutionary', Shieldwolf? Pfyeah right.

That came out of nowhere. Why so hostile?

I very much like the sharp toothed "Croc mouthed" Orcs as you call them. Nice change from the many other Orc types on the market.

Why the tone Vermis? If you have genuine criticism of design choices you can do so in a way that doesn't come across as so hostile and insulting. Especially because so far Shield wolf has been very reasonable towards criticism given.

After utter disappointment with the concept art of KOW2 I will be looking intently at the Kickstarter for a Fantasy army. Hopefully a non human army takes my eye but if not maybe the Araves.

carlos13th wrote:

Why the tone Vermis? If you have genuine criticism of design choices you can do so in a way that doesn't come across as so hostile and insulting. Especially because so far Shield wolf has been very reasonable towards criticism given.

Thank you Carlos13th. I agree wholeheartedly. People can give honest criticism without being rude and insulting, and the forum is better for it. It is something I could remember to do myself at times. Shieldwolf have impressed me with their courtesy, professionalism, and sense of integrity.

Yeah the croc mouth of the orcs makes them a bit more difficult to mix with other orc types, but the design is a refreshing from the frumpy mouth many other orc mini's have. It gives them a nice savage tone to them.

The tone is odd.

 AlexHolker wrote:
My wishlist is very short: women.

You were the only one who got this right! :-D

3rd army revealed. Hope you like it, next goes up next Monday 15th :-)




"...they had long defied their male counterparts and exiled themselves to the coldest territories. At first, these were but a handfull of women that had stood up, they had confronted the men and resisted their destiny; after having been beaten up and abused for centuries, there came a time they decided to face the lethal wilderness of the Northern Alliance Terriories than endure the puny life the Gods had designed for them.

Many of them got captured or killed, while others simply perished in the perilous journey, their corpses still preserved in the ever-lasting ice. The few that survived however gave birth to one of the toughest factions the Shieldwolf world ever knew. And after so many centuries of total isolation these female warriors are seen ever more often, having enhanced their breed to a point they can field entire armies. And they can match up to anyone..."

Hope you like them as much as we do! :-)

You're gonna be a rich man.

Are any of the human or monster armies going to get one or two female models mixed in with the males? Not interested in a pure female army personally but an army that has a mix of genders in it would be great.

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Hope you like them as much as we do! :-)

I do! Even the armies that I don't want - like the Mercenary Ogres - still look cool in a "I'd be happy to play against them" sense, and the shieldmaidens are certainly promising.

Are the Shieldmaidens army all going to be in light armour, or are you planning a heavy armour unit as well?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
You're gonna be a rich man.

I already am, I have a loving wife and a beautiful son and we are all healthy. :-)

 carlos13th wrote:
Are any of the human or monster armies going to get one or two female models mixed in with the males? Not interested in a pure female army personally but an army that has a mix of genders in it would be great.

The Ogres, the Valley Orcs and the 5th army aren't going to have any female models I'm afraid, but the Shieldmaidens and the 4th army will indeed (some already sculpted) include both female and male models. The Shieldmaidens will get a few male barbarian "Overseers", men who get paid from the Shieldmaidens to train their warriors. With the occasion we will be releasing a couple of male alternatives, -but not too many, the army is for the Shieldmaidens after all..

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Hope you like them as much as we do! :-)

I do! Even the armies that I don't want - like the Mercenary Ogres - still look cool in a "I'd be happy to play against them" sense, and the shieldmaidens are certainly promising.

Are the Shieldmaidens army all going to be in light armour, or are you planning a heavy armour unit as well?

The Mercenary Ogres will be the fastest to be funded, -if all goes well naturally- and even if not so, they are on our production pipeline anyway, so you will be seeing them one way or another (although if not purchased/funded via the KS there will obviously not be any discounts).
The Shieldmaiden Lords are going to have some heavy armor, the HIPS kit planned for the Shieldmaidens however is for one regiment of 20 light armored minis. If people like them, we will try to have another "heavy" armor version, but not via this project. It has not been planned for, and it would risk derailing our timetables. If however -and I say if - people ask for it to be heavy armored instead, we might call in a vote from the backers. The timetables and resources for doing the change are the same, but we will not be having any additional goals (I'm repeating myself but I want to make this clear).

We have planned for something similar to the chart/table of the wonderful Black Sailors KS which is currently running, (I'm attaching the pic below) so everyone will know exactly the number of models/stretch goals each faction has planned for and how many have been unlocked. We have spend endless hours in order to make sure these get spread out as evenly as possible, meaning if someone is interested e.g. in the Valley Orcs alone, he doesn't need to see some 15 stretch goals unlocked before he/she gets to see another Valley Orc stretch goal!
As I said above, the Ogres will get the least models/stretch goals, so in order not to have them miss out, they complete rather quickly. That does not mean that if the project is almost fully funded they will not be getting also a few goodies towards the end, but the bulk of their army is in the first third of the campaign...



Oh, and I'm glad you like them!

Thank you,
Angelos.

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
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The Ogres, the Valley Orcs and the 5th army aren't going to have any female models I'm afraid, but the Shieldmaidens and the 4th army will indeed (some already sculpted) include both female and male models. The Shieldmaidens will get a few male barbarian "Overseers", men who get paid from the Shieldmaidens to train their warriors. With the occasion we will be releasing a couple of male alternatives, -but not too many, the army is for the Shieldmaidens after all..

Wait, so the strong independet female warriors need men to (overseers even) teach them to fight? I like your stuff, but this makes no sense.

 jorny wrote:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
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The Ogres, the Valley Orcs and the 5th army aren't going to have any female models I'm afraid, but the Shieldmaidens and the 4th army will indeed (some already sculpted) include both female and male models. The Shieldmaidens will get a few male barbarian "Overseers", men who get paid from the Shieldmaidens to train their warriors. With the occasion we will be releasing a couple of male alternatives, -but not too many, the army is for the Shieldmaidens after all..

Wait, so the strong independet female warriors need men to (overseers even) teach them to fight? I like your stuff, but this makes no sense.

According to our fluff, the women train by themselves and reach a very high level. However, no matter how much training they have and how agile they become, they do not have the physical strength to test themselves with tougher/stronger opponents. They need the experience they lack. So once they have reached a certain level they use an "Overseer" (a male veteran barbarian character) in order to teach them what it is like to face stronger/taller/tougher adversaries/enemies. They do not "depend" on them, it's an additional way of evolving their skills.

Since we started talking fluff, the most advanced among the Shieldmaidens (which obviously includes Characters) also use magic items in their shields. This allows them further resistance. ALL female models in this faction will have shields, that's their main characteristic after all, with extremely few exceptions (e.g. the Necromancer Maiden, the Icemaiden Druid etc) who are characters using magic (Death and Ice in the respective examples).

Hope that explains a bit more, maybe you will not like the rules of our game but you'll like the minis. Or hopefully you'll like both :-)

I'm actually really not looking forward to this Kickstarter :(


...only because I will have to spend so much money that I really shouldn't spend.

Perhaps use a different term instead of "overseer," which has problematic connotations. Maybe "sparring serfs" or "mercenary trainers" or "Martial Retainers" or something.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Perhaps use a different term instead of "overseer," which has problematic connotations. Maybe "sparring serfs" or "mercenary trainers" or "Martial Retainers" or something.

This... When I hear overseer I think of press gangs of prisoners and slaves.

I do like the artwork so far, and look forward to many flamboyantly over-the-top barbarian sorceresses wielding magical weapons.

I can think of two ways that these "overseers" could be implemented that could work nicely.

1. Instead of being generic barbarians, have them be members of one of the other factions. For example, you could make up a few Araves character minis with woolen cloaks and Shieldmaiden weapons to represent these foreign advisors.

2. Have the tallest Shieldmaidens drafted into this OPFOR role, and equipped with a mix of Shieldmaiden and captured equipment.

Or do both, with these taller Shieldmaidens spreading the burden of this role so they don't have to rely on a few foreigners. Either way, you'd have an excuse to make these "overseers" quite diverse in appearance, and even use them to hint at future factions.

I like AlexHolker's ideas. I would also like to see one of the trainers (please not "overseers") be a wise old master (mistress?) Shieldmaiden.

For your game, maybe the stats could be generic enough so that someone could buy a hero from any of your factions and use it as a trainer. That way, I could use a demon or a dragonman or something more interesting.

Scantily clad female army, interesting

 primalexile wrote:
Scantily clad female army, interesting

So long as they are sculpted and posed like serious (fantasy barbarian) fighters, the kit should work. They are in a similar scale and style to GW Marauders, giving us an option for Chaotic women warriors, some Red Sonjas to go with our Conans if you will, and they all have shields, so they are not depending on their bikinis to save them. However, if they are sculpted in cheesecake poses or with pigeon toes and knock knees, they'll be a huge disappointment.