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 MLaw wrote:


I plan on looking at them to see about sculpting them into Femurs. If not, I have some really really interesting RPG uses lined up (or I'd buy enough to do both).

The Mammoth is very very nice and I think it's really reasonable too.

Femurs?

Dare we ask?

 Alpharius wrote:

 MLaw wrote:


I plan on looking at them to see about sculpting them into Femurs. If not, I have some really really interesting RPG uses lined up (or I'd buy enough to do both).

The Mammoth is very very nice and I think it's really reasonable too.

Femurs?

Dare we ask?

LOL autocorrect Fimir...

Was it ever clarified about whether you can get the new/KS exclusive Mammoth head on the Garrison or Campaign army pledge levels, or only as an add-on? I've already got 2 of the SW Mammoths, and I don't need a third identical one, but I could be tempted to one of those pledge levels if you could choose your mammoth type (instead of only as an $80 add-on)

Pretty sure that they have said you could have either head and to make things easier for them they will ship out mammoths before the SM are sent (Sep. ish).

Also the covered torsos have been unlocked, still not sure how big I want to get into this, down for $50 at the moment but all the resins are kind of redundant for me.


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Found it under the tenth update;

3rd solution (the one we propose)
After a lot of thinking and trying to figure out a way that will make you (the backers) happy but also allow us (the creators), not to have a headache, we decided in proposing the following solution: We will first send and receive the Pledge Manager to all of you, after which we will have an update and ask each and everyone of you (who are eligible) to message us writing which version you prefer.
We will proceed in mailing the Mammooths only to the backers entitled to them in a different early shippment (we currently think that would be September). After which during final fulfillment phase scheduled for December, we will mail everything to everyone except for the Mammoths obviously which will already be in your hands by that time.
We would also like to note that the difference which will result in shipping costs is minimal since the weight of this will be subtracted from the final shipment and thus equilibrate costs. Also, it will be very easy to quote due to the same weight for everyone, so we will have only 2 costs: one for Zone-1 and one for Zone-2. This makes it a lot easier for us too. (You can check your shipping zones here)

That's good news at least, though depending on the weight bands, it can be much cheaper to send one parcel then two that have the same weight as the one. Hence "combined shipping" etc on eBay.

Okay Shieldwolf, I'm in this time around for a box of ladies and two sets of wolves. Bring it on!

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Why not just add 10 extra backs and make it unquestionably better value without asking people to use shield, greenstuff and other half-measures? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

In fact it wouldn't be but we have in mind a specific lay-out and the sprue space may not suffice to throw in the extra backs. Plus we have a specific box size we are currently using so if we do change the sprue size it's probably going to end up causing us new issues with the packaging of the retail version. We wouldn't like to state something and then not do it, it is human to make mistakes one had not thought of but if we have foreseen it is best saying it upfront, it's the honest thing to do.
It's way better ending up with delivering something more than promised instead of promising something and failing to deliver... :-)

It's your own choice, but if it's only going to take 10 backs, I'd be prioritising them. People buying models are always after value for money (ever seen a "GW is too expensive" thread or post?), and you're better off listening to people who don't automatically say that everything you say or do is fantastic. Many, many people on forums, your facebook, kickstarter comments, etc are always going to tell you that anything you say is wonderful because they want you to like them. Those people are your fans and are going to buy whatever you produce anyway (unless you burn them often enough). The ability to put "30 models" on the box instead of "20 models" is a big selling point to all of the others out there. It's a 50% increase in value, after all.

Sure, it's good if "with a little work/greenstuff/press-molding/sculpting" you can make extra figures. It's a hell of a lot better if you can make them out of the box with no mucking about at all. How did Mantic build their KS popularity? gakloads of cheap figures. You've got the opportunity here to add 40-50% extra to yours - not only the KS (which is just to get the kit tooled and started), along with that extra being a permanent thing at retail. Have a look in this Warlord/Wargames Factory thread to see how people discuss price/figure, value and how it affects their purchasing decisions.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/678174.page

As I said, it's your decision - but I'd consider it very carefully, because it gives you a HUGE bump of value to the customer in your kit for as long as it's produced - for many years to come.

New add-ons look good... but $148 retail for four lions + riders? That's like $37/£25 each. Seems like a lot for cavalry, even big 'uns. Especially with GW's recent starter army bundles (£50 for one big model + 5 cavalry + a bunch of smaller stuff). I know Shieldwolf reckon they're significantly better than GW in quality, but that's a huge price, even at the discounted KS level, compared to our shieldmaiden infantry at $1 a model or so...

Azazelx wrote:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Why not just add 10 extra backs and make it unquestionably better value without asking people to use shield, greenstuff and other half-measures? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

In fact it wouldn't be but we have in mind a specific lay-out and the sprue space may not suffice to throw in the extra backs. Plus we have a specific box size we are currently using so if we do change the sprue size it's probably going to end up causing us new issues with the packaging of the retail version. We wouldn't like to state something and then not do it, it is human to make mistakes one had not thought of but if we have foreseen it is best saying it upfront, it's the honest thing to do.
It's way better ending up with delivering something more than promised instead of promising something and failing to deliver... :-)

It's your own choice, but if it's only going to take 10 backs, I'd be prioritising them. People buying models are always after value for money (ever seen a "GW is too expensive" thread or post?), and you're better off listening to people who don't automatically say that everything you say or do is fantastic. Many, many people on forums, your facebook, kickstarter comments, etc are always going to tell you that anything you say is wonderful because they want you to like them. Those people are your fans and are going to buy whatever you produce anyway (unless you burn them often enough). The ability to put "30 models" on the box instead of "20 models" is a big selling point to all of the others out there. It's a 50% increase in value, after all.

Sure, it's good if "with a little work/greenstuff/press-molding/sculpting" you can make extra figures. It's a hell of a lot better if you can make them out of the box with no mucking about at all. How did Mantic build their KS popularity? gakloads of cheap figures. You've got the opportunity here to add 40-50% extra to yours - not only the KS (which is just to get the kit tooled and started), along with that extra being a permanent thing at retail. Have a look in this Warlord/Wargames Factory thread to see how people discuss price/figure, value and how it affects their purchasing decisions.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/678174.page

As I said, it's your decision - but I'd consider it very carefully, because it gives you a HUGE bump of value to the customer in your kit for as long as it's produced - for many years to come.

I second this. While I've been enthusiastic about the possibility of creating simple pressmolds to make the missing back-pieces; that comes from my personal situation as a veteran modeller already owning the tools and having the experience of making these simple copy-jobs. For someone new to the hobby it might well sound a bit daunting. It's obviously better if those bits are included in the first place.

If at all possible, I would prioritize giving sprue space to back pieces. It's a huge boost in marketing it that box can be promoted as actually having 30 models instead of 20. Sure, it might be a pleasant surprise to find those extra bodies, but I think many consumers would be perplexed (or even a bit annoyed) and feel that there was parts missing.

Ian Sturrock wrote:New add-ons look good... but $148 retail for four lions + riders? That's like $37/£25 each. Seems like a lot for cavalry, even big 'uns. Especially with GW's recent starter army bundles (£50 for one big model + 5 cavalry + a bunch of smaller stuff). I know Shieldwolf reckon they're significantly better than GW in quality, but that's a huge price, even at the discounted KS level, compared to our shieldmaiden infantry at $1 a model or so...

The graphics say retail $82 for four of the lion riders? And $65 from the KS

 Azazelx wrote:

Spoiler:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Why not just add 10 extra backs and make it unquestionably better value without asking people to use shield, greenstuff and other half-measures? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

In fact it wouldn't be but we have in mind a specific lay-out and the sprue space may not suffice to throw in the extra backs. Plus we have a specific box size we are currently using so if we do change the sprue size it's probably going to end up causing us new issues with the packaging of the retail version. We wouldn't like to state something and then not do it, it is human to make mistakes one had not thought of but if we have foreseen it is best saying it upfront, it's the honest thing to do.
It's way better ending up with delivering something more than promised instead of promising something and failing to deliver... :-)

It's your own choice, but if it's only going to take 10 backs, I'd be prioritising them. People buying models are always after value for money (ever seen a "GW is too expensive" thread or post?), and you're better off listening to people who don't automatically say that everything you say or do is fantastic. Many, many people on forums, your facebook, kickstarter comments, etc are always going to tell you that anything you say is wonderful because they want you to like them. Those people are your fans and are going to buy whatever you produce anyway (unless you burn them often enough). The ability to put "30 models" on the box instead of "20 models" is a big selling point to all of the others out there. It's a 50% increase in value, after all.

Sure, it's good if "with a little work/greenstuff/press-molding/sculpting" you can make extra figures. It's a hell of a lot better if you can make them out of the box with no mucking about at all. How did Mantic build their KS popularity? gakloads of cheap figures. You've got the opportunity here to add 40-50% extra to yours - not only the KS (which is just to get the kit tooled and started), along with that extra being a permanent thing at retail. Have a look in this Warlord/Wargames Factory thread to see how people discuss price/figure, value and how it affects their purchasing decisions.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/678174.page

As I said, it's your decision - but I'd consider it very carefully, because it gives you a HUGE bump of value to the customer in your kit for as long as it's produced - for many years to come.

Your advice is always warmly welcomed, altering the spure size to make sure the additional back torsos fit in the box (that's 8-10 more!) isn't as simple as it sounds, we aren't doing it because "hehehe *evil laughter* we will force them to buy more of our boxes that way!", the costs are not so big as mainly the headbreaker in managing to do that,
We will however take this under serious consideration in managing to find a solution to this, after all, your suggestion makes perfect sense :-)

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
New add-ons look good... but $148 retail for four lions + riders? That's like $37/£25 each. Seems like a lot for cavalry, even big 'uns.

We must have messed up somewhere I guess, because I can't figure out where the $148 retail for four lions+cavalry comes from :-?

The lions are very large resin models and have a certain production cost, we love how we have expanded with these beasts but at the same time we have to charge what we have to charge. However, concerning the prices ->
Price for the 4 lions+riders is 75 euros (you can't see it because due to augmented sales we had not expected it is currently out of stock, we haven't made it in time to replenish our stock ), but the lion pack is set at $60 http://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=100

That should be no more than $65-66 for the lion pack only & $83-85 for the lions+riders, correct? We are currently offering them discounted for $39 and $65 rispectively. Now, what did I miss?!

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
altering the spure size to make sure the additional back torsos fit in the box (that's 8-10 more!) isn't as simple as it sounds, we aren't doing it because "hehehe *evil laughter* we will force them to buy more of our boxes that way!", the costs are not so big as mainly the headbreaker in managing to do that,
We will however take this under serious consideration in managing to find a solution to this, after all, your suggestion makes perfect sense :-)

There is of course always a limit to what can fit on a sprue but it's probably worth removing some weapon options if needed to fit back pieces to everyone.

A less neat solutions would be to sell separate bags of back pieces in resin.

She looks pretty pissed

Sorry Shieldwolf! Clearly I should not attempt to add prices pre-coffee. I thought the price for the lions was for lions with no riders (I was right!) and I thought the price for the riders was for riders with no lions (I was wrong!).

Will you be doing an optional add-on that is lions + shieldmaiden riders? Or do we just have to buy the shieldmaiden riders separately?

That Shieldlord (Shieldlady?) looks stunning.

 Zywus wrote:

Spoiler:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
altering the spure size to make sure the additional back torsos fit in the box (that's 8-10 more!) isn't as simple as it sounds, we aren't doing it because "hehehe *evil laughter* we will force them to buy more of our boxes that way!", the costs are not so big as mainly the headbreaker in managing to do that,
We will however take this under serious consideration in managing to find a solution to this, after all, your suggestion makes perfect sense :-)

There is of course always a limit to what can fit on a sprue but it's probably worth removing some weapon options if needed to fit back pieces to everyone.

A less neat solutions would be to sell separate bags of back pieces in resin.

Nah, we would prefer clipping some of the plastics out and not having resin (hybrid) pieces, but we prefer and are trying our best to keep everything on a sprue. We like it more that way :-)

Anyway, there's the lady from above who is wondering who's fault it is she has not been unlocked yet! :-p

I agree that the shieldlady concept art looks great, mostly because of her hard features. However, if it's Patrick Keith who's doing the sculpt (since he appears to have done the other figures) I have a hard time believing the final sculpt will be true to the concept. I have nothing against him as an artist or a sculptor, but he seems either incapable or unwilling to do make models with hard features. His figures can be picked out at a distance (for me at least) since they all have round faces, round cheeks, round eyes, and even round hairstyles. So what's my point? Either ask him to change his style and make a hard-featured figure look hard (doubt it will happen), find another sculptor who can do that style, or expect that much of what make the concept look so good will be lost along the way.

I've wanted to point this out about his style forever. Because I personally really get turned off when he's involved. Just my opinion though.

Finally got around to putting in a placeholder pledge here but had a question regarding the orcs. If we only pledge for existing (already sculpted and produced) orc items, will they still wait to ship in December, or will they ship earlier?

Also, the add-on graphic from the main page leads to a "page not found" on Flickr! Just FYI (all the info was in the individual graphics below it, but the combined graphic is a broken link atm).

They will be sent in a earlier wave I believe.

@Greywolf
All opinions are respected.
Sculptor commissioned for the Shieldlords is Paolo Fabiani, the same who did the Valley Orc Shaman for our KS-1. This is how it worked out

Artwork on which backers pledged during KS-1


WiP of the actual sculpt


A closer look into the detail


And even a version if someone didn't want to use the cloak!


This is the finished and painted version


And finally, an independent video review to show the actual product and what our casts are like. Backers from KS-1 having received this will confirm I think :-)


And has the sculptor Shieldwolf commissioned ever worked on female minis however?

Yes! This is one of them :-)


We are confident we are going to do justice, we really spare no expense regarding concept artwork in order to assist our sculptors as much as possible in their task and we are aiming to keep it that way! :-)

What's wrong with the lady's leg? Looks like it's broken! Hope you sculpt it in a more natural pose

 Mymearan wrote:
What's wrong with the lady's leg? Looks like it's broken! Hope you sculpt it in a more natural pose

No. We won't! :-p

 Azazelx wrote:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Why not just add 10 extra backs and make it unquestionably better value without asking people to use shield, greenstuff and other half-measures? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

In fact it wouldn't be but we have in mind a specific lay-out and the sprue space may not suffice to throw in the extra backs. Plus we have a specific box size we are currently using so if we do change the sprue size it's probably going to end up causing us new issues with the packaging of the retail version. We wouldn't like to state something and then not do it, it is human to make mistakes one had not thought of but if we have foreseen it is best saying it upfront, it's the honest thing to do.
It's way better ending up with delivering something more than promised instead of promising something and failing to deliver... :-)

It's your own choice, but if it's only going to take 10 backs, I'd be prioritising them. People buying models are always after value for money (ever seen a "GW is too expensive" thread or post?), and you're better off listening to people who don't automatically say that everything you say or do is fantastic. Many, many people on forums, your facebook, kickstarter comments, etc are always going to tell you that anything you say is wonderful because they want you to like them. Those people are your fans and are going to buy whatever you produce anyway (unless you burn them often enough). The ability to put "30 models" on the box instead of "20 models" is a big selling point to all of the others out there. It's a 50% increase in value, after all.

Sure, it's good if "with a little work/greenstuff/press-molding/sculpting" you can make extra figures. It's a hell of a lot better if you can make them out of the box with no mucking about at all. How did Mantic build their KS popularity? gakloads of cheap figures. You've got the opportunity here to add 40-50% extra to yours - not only the KS (which is just to get the kit tooled and started), along with that extra being a permanent thing at retail. Have a look in this Warlord/Wargames Factory thread to see how people discuss price/figure, value and how it affects their purchasing decisions.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/678174.page

As I said, it's your decision - but I'd consider it very carefully, because it gives you a HUGE bump of value to the customer in your kit for as long as it's produced - for many years to come.

This is an excellent point.

If you are worried about customers who only want armored bodies or midriff-barers, instead of a mix, you can set up a forum thread on your site for trades.

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

Spoiler:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
altering the spure size to make sure the additional back torsos fit in the box (that's 8-10 more!) isn't as simple as it sounds, we aren't doing it because "hehehe *evil laughter* we will force them to buy more of our boxes that way!", the costs are not so big as mainly the headbreaker in managing to do that,
We will however take this under serious consideration in managing to find a solution to this, after all, your suggestion makes perfect sense :-)

There is of course always a limit to what can fit on a sprue but it's probably worth removing some weapon options if needed to fit back pieces to everyone.

A less neat solutions would be to sell separate bags of back pieces in resin.

Nah, we would prefer clipping some of the plastics out and not having resin (hybrid) pieces, but we prefer and are trying our best to keep everything on a sprue. We like it more that way :-)

Note that I didn't mean that every box should include resin parts but rather that extra resin back-pieces could be a separate product.

That way you could also (as someone suggested in your KS comments) offer add-ons for modifying the shieldmaidens by offering back-pieces that have cloaks, trophy-racks, wings whatever...

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

Your advice is always warmly welcomed, altering the spure size to make sure the additional back torsos fit in the box (that's 8-10 more!) isn't as simple as it sounds, we aren't doing it because "hehehe *evil laughter* we will force them to buy more of our boxes that way!", the costs are not so big as mainly the headbreaker in managing to do that,
We will however take this under serious consideration in managing to find a solution to this, after all, your suggestion makes perfect sense :-)

No suggestion of ebil laughter here - just that I think you'll find that it works the other way - people will be more likely to buy more of them because value is irresistible when buying toy soldats. I'm aware that space is a limitation, but ultimately, you're working with a limited amount of space and need to work out your priorities. Now, obviously I'm not familiar with your internals, etc, but I'm sure you've seen this sprue:



Or these:



Fewer shields here, but more distinct options for the embossing:


Or even these! They work for any army! (just fill in the boss holes)


Something like this (if your tooling allows) might be a solution to create space for additional back pieces. Removing shields from the core Shieldmaiden frame and instead moving them to a small, separate frame that can then be produced separately, reused and repackaged with the Shieldmaidens, ShieldHuntresses, ShieldRangers, Krumvaal Warriors, Orc Scavengers, various metal or resin heroes that you might produce, etc....

 Mymearan wrote:
What's wrong with the lady's leg? Looks like it's broken! Hope you sculpt it in a more natural pose

It does look very strange at the moment?

it's the "sexy model" pose she's wearing. The "inspiration" image is no doubt a photograph of an attractive model posing in a way that makes more visual sense than the artwork while wearing Space Marine greaves.

Hi Shieldwolf, did you see my question above? I think you might've missed it since the add-ons image link still leads to a "page not found" on the main Kickstarter page! Copied below:

 RiTides wrote:
Finally got around to putting in a placeholder pledge here but had a question regarding the orcs. If we only pledge for existing (already sculpted and produced) orc items, will they still wait to ship in December, or will they ship earlier?

Also, the add-on graphic from the main page leads to a "page not found" on Flickr! Just FYI (all the info was in the individual graphics below it, but the combined graphic is a broken link atm).

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
What's wrong with the lady's leg? Looks like it's broken! Hope you sculpt it in a more natural pose

It does look very strange at the moment?

Looking at the unpainted picture and the painted picture, it kind of looks like the painter did accidentally break off her let foot just below the knee/above the boot, and glued it on slightly out of alignment. Her left foot seems to point more in in the painted version than in the unpainted. Might just be the slight change in perspective too between the shots, but honestly I know I have broken a LOT of knees/ankles off rein models while working on them, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened here.

@Shieldwolf thanks for the reassurance. So far I'm still in anyways. Its the plastic ladies that look so good!