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Ummm... Guys? Could you perhaps stop making a non-factual statements about the Gods and culture of my ancestors?

A few corrections if you dont mind:

1). No, we did not use chariots. Owning a chariot in the Scandinavian pininsula is a truly stupid thing, you need open ground for chariots, and this place is made up of dense Taiga forest, lakes everywhere, boulders, hills, mountains and fjords.

2). Our gods did not muck about with horses, that was just that one time Loki did it and he was a female horse at the time.

3). Viking is not a name for a demographic, it's a jobdescription, in other words "raiding the rich weaklings on the continent and beyond".

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:
Ummm... Guys? Could you perhaps stop making a non-factual statements about the Gods and culture of my ancestors?

A few corrections if you dont mind:

1). No, we did not use chariots. Owning a chariot in the Scandinavian pininsula is a truly stupid thing, you need open ground for chariots, and this place is made up of dense Taiga forest, lakes everywhere, boulders, hills, mountains and fjords.

2). Our gods did not muck about with horses, that was just that one time Loki did it and he was a female horse at the time.

3). Viking is not a name for a demographic, it's a jobdescription, in other words "raiding the rich weaklings on the continent and beyond".

I agree, what you say is true, except Viking means sailor in old norse tounge if you a picky about that.

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:
Owning a chariot in the Scandinavian pininsula is a truly stupid thing

Unless you have one that floats.

Terreed wrote:

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:
Owning a chariot in the Scandinavian pininsula is a truly stupid thing

Unless you have one that floats.

Sure the viking had boats if thats what your aiming at

To be clear they had chariots aswell for traveling and export of products, but not war-chariots as you see in rome, the arab countries, egypt and so on...

Well, you don't really use the term 'chariot' there, but rather 'cart' or 'wagon'.

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:
Ummm... Guys? Could you perhaps stop making a non-factual statements about the Gods and culture of my ancestors?
3). Viking is not a name for a demographic, it's a jobdescription, in other words "raiding the rich weaklings on the continent and beyond".

Which one is it? Your ancestors or a job your ancestors had?

Owning a chariot in the Scandinavian pininsula is a truly stupid thing

You calling Thor stupid?

I'm pretty sure sledges were used by the vikings

http://www.khm.uio.no/english/visit-us/viking-ship-museum/exhibitions/oseberg/

@Redfox: Ofc, there's snow everywhere 4-5 months of the year so those are handy, didn't use dogs or reindeers though (thats the Sami and inuits) but horses.

@Pretre: Yupp, let's face it, Tor was never the brains of -any- operation.. also.. his chariot did fly, so regional topography is of little interest.

 RedFox wrote:
I'm pretty sure sledges were used by the vikings

http://www.khm.uio.no/english/visit-us/viking-ship-museum/exhibitions/oseberg/

Not in war, sledges to ride on snow, sure, boats to sail (which is what you linked) and carts to get your stuff around sure, but not war-sledges or chariots

Now I have talked to much about true Viking equipment and culture, I want to add that I LOVE THE CONCEPT OF AND MODELS IN SPACE WOLVES (including Grimnars chariot) it doesnt have to be true to be cool... in fact most people in scandinavia during these times were pity and booring peasants like everywere else, not very fun at all.

Hmm.. This looks strangly familiar

I don't care if the chariot fits with a "Viking" theme...after all, Space Wolves have always been a pretty OTT idea of Viking-ness ,with plenty of artistic licence brought in, bolted on to the usual Warhammer madness.

What bothers me is the look of the thing. I wouldn't even mind the wolves pulling it if they'd been released as separate models. It looks like a flying rowing boat with random bits glued on that looks like it would shoot forward and decapitate those wolves if they stop suddenly. When I look at it all I can think is "Oh dear."

I don't mind the separate Logan model at all, I do wish they'd just stopped there...

Anybody stop to think that werewolves might use chariots?

At the end of the day, the chariot makes SW feel like a clown-shoes army. Previously, Orks/Orcs/Goblins were a clown-shoes army and I'm fine with that. I like those armies largely because they are clown-shoes armies. I tended to like that my SW army was NOT such an army, that's why I'm really struggling to like Logan Claus.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At the end of the day, the chariot makes SW feel like a clown-shoes army. Previously, Orks/Orcs/Goblins were a clown-shoes army and I'm fine with that. I like those armies largely because they are clown-shoes armies. I tended to like that my SW army was NOT such an army, that's why I'm really struggling to like Logan Claus.

You could just not use it. Your Space Wolves army doesn't have to be defined by what models are available in the model range.

Like the chariot itself or not, it is kind of nice to see some diversity in Space Marines as a whole. I enjoy that GW is branching things out some and the fact that chapters that are not in the C:SM being different is a very good thing. Who wants to play with an army that is just a slightly reskinned C:SM army? I personally don't want it to feel like the Blood Angels, Greyknights, and Space Wolves are super close to being the same. The personality of the armies and how different they are is one of the biggest reasons people play them in my experience. Is the chariot wonky as all get out? Yes! Is it cool that a space marine chapter has something with chariot rules? Yes! Diversity makes the game way better. C:SM is good and there has to be a baseline sure, but that doesn't mean that other armies that still have their own books and are uniquely different should be watered down and just be basic supplements to the core space marine builds.

I'm happy for you Space Wolf players, and a bit jealous, there are some bada$$ kits out, and that Long Fang edition of the codex is sharp! I know it's $180 but if there was a Blood Angel Codex special edition I'd drop the cash in a second! The objective coins, the lay out, sharp! Hope the codex stands up and is right on for you guys! I'm enjoying what I've been reading in the 7th ed rules, I haven't played yet but I like it so far. So hopefully they did the Wolves justice!

SlyasR wrote:

Terreed wrote:

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:
Owning a chariot in the Scandinavian pininsula is a truly stupid thing

Unless you have one that floats.

Sure the viking had boats if thats what your aiming at

It was a joke aimed at this awful thing:



Get it? Because you wouldn't care about boulders, hills and fjords if you have a floating chariot like Logan does. So it wouldn't be stupid to own one of those in Scandinavia. No? Anyone? Oh, never mind.

Watch as the leaks are wrong and it turns out that GW decided against releasing the figure and replaced it with something else. Or, when the model itself comes out it looks great.

Seriously, the interwebs are all abuzz over a miniscule image- I'm personally holding off on the complaining until we see an actual picture of the model that's in decent resolution, or better yet until the model is officially released.

I mean, this is the image we're carrying on about?



You can barely tell what it is.

Speaking about Grimnar himself, disregarding the Chariot, does anyone prefer the old Grimnar model? I certainly do.

SlyasR wrote:

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:
Ummm... Guys? Could you perhaps stop making a non-factual statements about the Gods and culture of my ancestors?

A few corrections if you dont mind:

1). No, we did not use chariots. Owning a chariot in the Scandinavian pininsula is a truly stupid thing, you need open ground for chariots, and this place is made up of dense Taiga forest, lakes everywhere, boulders, hills, mountains and fjords.

2). Our gods did not muck about with horses, that was just that one time Loki did it and he was a female horse at the time.

3). Viking is not a name for a demographic, it's a jobdescription, in other words "raiding the rich weaklings on the continent and beyond".

I agree, what you say is true, except Viking means sailor in old norse tounge if you a picky about that.

No it does not. The term 'Viking', as we know it, was a term invented long after the vikings age.
The original way of using the word is for example "At drage i viking", which roughly translates into "to go exploring". Some Scandinavian areas used the word 'viking' as a description of a sea Warrior, or warrior of the sea, but that was not a common usage for the word.

 Deadshot wrote:
Speaking about Grimnar himself, disregarding the Chariot, does anyone prefer the old Grimnar model? I certainly do.

Tiny little Grimnar? Meh, I guess from a nostalgia standpoint...


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 Zewrath wrote:
No it does not. The term 'Viking', as we know it, was a term invented long after the vikings age.
The original way of using the word is for example "At drage i viking", which roughly translates into "to go exploring". Some Scandinavian areas used the word 'viking' as a description of a sea Warrior, or warrior of the sea, but that was not a common usage for the word.

In the old Norse language, víkingr means a man from vík, where vík may have the sense of a bay, or the specific bay called Víkin in the south of Norway.

 Deadshot wrote:
Speaking about Grimnar himself, disregarding the Chariot, does anyone prefer the old Grimnar model? I certainly do.

Yeah I do as well. This Grimnar looks like he's staring at his axe screaming "LOOK AT MY GIANT AXE!!!". The giant gold wolf's head looks too big as well. I don't hate the new Grimnar or anything, but yeah, not a massive fan either.


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 Mysterious Pants wrote:
Watch as the leaks are wrong and it turns out that GW decided against releasing the figure and replaced it with something else.

Unlikely.

Or, when the model itself comes out it looks great.

People always say this yet for me it's never true. I can see enough from the little blurry pic that I won't like it because it looks stupid.


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 jab4962 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At the end of the day, the chariot makes SW feel like a clown-shoes army. Previously, Orks/Orcs/Goblins were a clown-shoes army and I'm fine with that. I like those armies largely because they are clown-shoes armies. I tended to like that my SW army was NOT such an army, that's why I'm really struggling to like Logan Claus.

You could just not use it. Your Space Wolves army doesn't have to be defined by what models are available in the model range.

No, I don't have to use it, but it's still disappointing. IMO it will be even more disappointing if it's actually good on the table, lol.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
I mean, this is the image we're carrying on about?



You can barely tell what it is.

Seriously? If you can't tell what that is then you just have bad eyes or something. Or you need to stop looking at Dakka on your phone and get a proper monitor.

It's clearly the Logan Grimnar model we've already seen by itself in a larger image, sitting inside a boat-shaped chariot with skimmer anti-grav plates on the bottom and little wings and intakes on the sides, apparently being pulled by two wolves which look to be attached to the chariot with cables and harnesses.

We're not talking about some fuzzy image taken with a 10-year-old flip phone during an earthquake like some leaks in the past, it's actually pretty crisp and clear despite its size. And that's coming from someone who has poor vision. You don't need to see huge, HD pics and a 360 degree rotation to know it's a stupid design, it's plain as day right now, and while I can only ever speak for myself I'll say that you could put that model on a billboard and I'd still think it was ridiculous.

As for your army not being defined by the sillier models in the range, yeah, right. I play Tau, I know better. Be prepared to hear all about how stupid Santa Grimnar is whether you have the model or not, and to have its very existence constantly used as proof that your army's concept was silly from the get-go and its continued representation in 40k lore is ruining the game for everyone.

I like the chariot because it's the sort of thing you won't find in any other Space Marine army. If you're going to be a separate Space Marine chapter with your own friggin' codex, you really should have at least some units that would make someone say "Wow, we'd NEVER see something like THAT in any other Space Marine chapter".

 Deadshot wrote:
Speaking about Grimnar himself, disregarding the Chariot, does anyone prefer the old Grimnar model? I certainly do.

Nope. The new sculpt looks way cooler.

 Wilytank wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Speaking about Grimnar himself, disregarding the Chariot, does anyone prefer the old Grimnar model? I certainly do.

Nope. The new sculpt looks way cooler.

1. Indeed I'm not going to fully defend the chariot (it's defo strange/different) but the Grimnar model looks boss!

2.Also I think we need angles of it, currently it's looking dumpy which is not helping.

3. GW have painted it in there official bling colours pallette too, never good.

4. A added bonus for everyone is the ability to get two more wolves, who from the tiny pic look epic, is great for converting more unique TWC!

5. Everyones heads fluff works different but too me I see the chariot as jet powered and the wolves as leashed so they kill stuff near the chariot and not just run the frell off! I don't know about you guys but when I take my dog for a walk it has a lead on but that doesn't make it my power source to move forward?

6.Rules wise it might be coo if it can join TWC too.

Just gonna leave this here...

Pretty sure it's a conversion, but...

 Deadshot wrote:
Speaking about Grimnar himself, disregarding the Chariot, does anyone prefer the old Grimnar model? I certainly do.

The old Logan model looks like the poor old guy has terrible posture. It was sculpted by someone who has no concept of human anatomy OR they hate Logan and wanted him to look like an old man with a spine problem.

 pretre wrote:
Just gonna leave this here...

Pretty sure it's a conversion, but...

Not sure about that, isn't the head from the Wolf Guard box? If not though then I definitely want.

 pretre wrote:
Just gonna leave this here...

Pretty sure it's a conversion, but...

Yeah, its gotta be. GW doesn't do battle damage on their paint jobs, so its not an out of the box studio figure because I don't recognize it. Unless its old... very old.