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 streetsamurai wrote:
So it seems that regular HQ can't take this chariot, so it's grimar only. Weird move by GW

According to what?


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Super Newb wrote:
Anyway, isn't building your own HQ model more fun anyway?

The new plastic kits allow you to build your own HQ with their HQ. My Krom is getting turned into Krakenbeard and if Logan is anything like Krom, so is he.

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 sing your life wrote:
Sad to see the old Logan model being discontinued. That sculpt had a nice character whilst the new one is too cluttered with detail IMO.

Man, I must be the only one who cares about anatomy. I thought the old Logan sculpt was very strangely proportioned.

Anyway, isn't building your own HQ model more fun anyway?

All GW sculpts are strangely proportioned.

I'm curious about this release. Is the barge kit the only way to get Logan now?

Also, outside the obvious insanity of the kit, what kills it is the same pose for Logan. If he was at the reigns and actively operating the chariot or lashing the wolves, it'd be more emotive and complete versus the feeling of a 90s action figure add-on toy. Possible conversion then?

It's still too high off the ground to attack infantry. At least the Necron barge has a war scythe to fit the aesthetic and functionality. Two handed Axe plus chariot doesn't fit and that Axe looks too big to effectively one hand like old Logan rules. Wonder if that's getting...axed?

 TheKbob wrote:
I'm curious about this release. Is the barge kit the only way to get Logan now?

Also, outside the obvious insanity of the kit, what kills it is the same pose for Logan. If he was at the reigns and actively operating the chariot or lashing the wolves, it'd be more emotive and complete versus the feeling of a 90s action figure add-on toy. Possible conversion then?

It's still too high off the ground to attack infantry. At least the Necron barge has a war scythe to fit the aesthetic and functionality. Two handed Axe plus chariot doesn't fit and that Axe looks too big to effectively one hand like old Logan rules. Wonder if that's getting...axed?

I bet its the only way to get logan now. I fully expect that box to go for 81$. for one HQ character...

 heartserenade wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Sad to see the old Logan model being discontinued. That sculpt had a nice character whilst the new one is too cluttered with detail IMO.

Man, I must be the only one who cares about anatomy. I thought the old Logan sculpt was very strangely proportioned.

Anyway, isn't building your own HQ model more fun anyway?

All GW sculpts are strangely proportioned.

Lol that's true. But it's all relative. Old Logan is way off even relative to other models. Dude's torso is *tiny* compared to his legs. His head is way too low relative to the shoulder joints. It's a good sculpt if old men with spinal disease are your thing I guess.

Anyway I look forward to the new Logan's people will make with plastic. Stock HQs are boring anyway.

Im sad. The model actually have awesome stuf in it. The boat prow, the sculpts in it, the pictures in the sides. The Logan model is awesome too, it look really inspiring, and could be fun to paint. The wolves are nice stuff, but none are really so amazing (nothing we alredy dont had).

The problem is the sillyness in the concept. The overexageration on the "vikings in space" theme. Instead of making it logic, they go and make it "80's movie style".

Like taurox: the model itself is ugly, but it have lots of potential to become amazing, with a bit of kitbash and conversion. That prow is fantastic conversion stuff: add a bike in the front, give him wheels and done. Add it to a land raider, and done. Add it to a Stormfang and done. Extend the hinder part, add wheels and done.

Overall, all this space wolfs release got filled with it: odd, ilogical models, who look silly due to smal details. Lots of potential in the hands of skilled hobbysts (i alredy can see the number of amazing things people will be throwing out next weeks). Its a shame they are so costly...


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Now i want to mix it with a Land Speeder Storm...

The dread kit has enough bits to make good looking dreds at least.

And I may buy the boat chariot purely for the conversion options.

 TheKbob wrote:
I'm curious about this release. Is the barge kit the only way to get Logan now?

Also, outside the obvious insanity of the kit, what kills it is the same pose for Logan. If he was at the reigns and actively operating the chariot or lashing the wolves, it'd be more emotive and complete versus the feeling of a 90s action figure add-on toy. Possible conversion then?

It's still too high off the ground to attack infantry. At least the Necron barge has a war scythe to fit the aesthetic and functionality. Two handed Axe plus chariot doesn't fit and that Axe looks too big to effectively one hand like old Logan rules. Wonder if that's getting...axed?

Wasn't Grimnar's axe like chaosified and pulsated Khornate magic or something? Maybe they entirely changed it.

 TheKbob wrote:
I'm curious about this release. Is the barge kit the only way to get Logan now?

Also, outside the obvious insanity of the kit, what kills it is the same pose for Logan. If he was at the reigns and actively operating the chariot or lashing the wolves, it'd be more emotive and complete versus the feeling of a 90s action figure add-on toy. Possible conversion then?

It's still too high off the ground to attack infantry. At least the Necron barge has a war scythe to fit the aesthetic and functionality. Two handed Axe plus chariot doesn't fit and that Axe looks too big to effectively one hand like old Logan rules. Wonder if that's getting...axed?

Even if that axe was incredibly dense, it still wouldn't weigh anywhere near enough to affect the strength of a space marine, let alone one in TDA. Considering they have single TDA holding up collapsing bulkheads in space cruisers, I think Logan should be fine.

The cable going to it on the other hand, is weird.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I'm curious about this release. Is the barge kit the only way to get Logan now?

Also, outside the obvious insanity of the kit, what kills it is the same pose for Logan. If he was at the reigns and actively operating the chariot or lashing the wolves, it'd be more emotive and complete versus the feeling of a 90s action figure add-on toy. Possible conversion then?

It's still too high off the ground to attack infantry. At least the Necron barge has a war scythe to fit the aesthetic and functionality. Two handed Axe plus chariot doesn't fit and that Axe looks too big to effectively one hand like old Logan rules. Wonder if that's getting...axed?

Wasn't Grimnar's axe like chaosified and pulsated Khornate magic or something? Maybe they entirely changed it.

If I recall correctly, Logan got his axe from a daemon weapon of a chaos champion he slayed, and got both the Iron and Rune Priests to forge Axe Morkai, that was more to his liking and the daemon was banished or, to an extent, nullified.

It's not that fact it's too high is what bothers me, it's the power cord. That MUST be really impractical. Possible to chop that bit off and shave off anything left? Because that part just looks silly really.

I never meant the weight, I meant the length of the shaft. It's kinda unwieldy one-handed and clearly designed for two-handed. His previous axe could easily have been swung with one arm, but had enough hand hold for two. The imagery there was apt that he was "putting his back into it" when he wanted maximum strength from his attacks.

As others have said, I guess I have issues with the cable to. It seems to make it just "not work" visually. Kind of like the model in total. Even if you move past the silly, it just doesn't suspend my disbelief. Kinda of like a Dread with a bare head.

I just noticed the power cord. =O

Huh, I hadn't seen the power cord before. Not a fan.

Not a fan of the larger cords as well. I tend to clip them off if I find them distracting.

Why they made Logan a LoW instead of Bjorn I will never know.

He's stronger than I thought on the Stormrider.

He cannot be join another unit while on Stormrider according to people translating it.

12 inch move, AV12/12/12,4++ invuln, 4 bonus rending attacks at I5







More here

http://latabernadelaurana.blogspot.com.es/2014/08/noticias-resumen-de-novedades-de-gw-ii.html

Not mentioned on that page: Wolftooth Necklace, Wolf Tail Talisman, Living Legend, The High King. I wonder how these are going to be rolled into his new profile.

Daaaamn!

Google translate is telling me that he gains 4 attacks if he's riding in Stormrider at S5 AP- I5, I believe. In addition to the 5 attacks at I5 and S6 AP3 that he already has. He cannot join units or other independent characters if riding Stormrider (which should now translate to other chariots to prevent them from doing the same *cough*CCB*cough*).

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Does that say warlord trait in the lower left?

 pretre wrote:

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Does that say warlord trait in the lower left?

Looks to be

Warlord Trait:
Saga of Majesty

The first part of the formation tells you to roll for each unit in the formation, and add +2 if there is an independent character attached? Something about on a 6+ they get outflank and something about not having to roll for reserves on those units.

The second rule states that those that have the training (I guess from the first rule) get fear and rage, as long as the Wolf Lord is alive.

The third rule looks to be allowing you to reroll your warlord trait if you take this formation.

Huh, so sagas are WL. Interesting.

Also, tha formation is a bit restrictive to actually field. I'll have to point out minimums.

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Not mentioned on that page: Wolftooth Necklace, Wolf Tail Talisman, Living Legend, The High King. I wonder how these are going to be rolled into his new profile.

Lets hope the didn't can the lot....

 pretre wrote:
Huh, so sagas are WL. Interesting.

Also, tha formation is a bit restrictive to actually field. I'll have to point out minimums.

What kind of restrictions?

I believe he is talking about the minimum required units.

1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
5 (yes 5) Grey Hunter Units
1 Wolf Guard Unit
2 Long Fang Units
3 units chosen from BloodClaws, SkyClaws, SwiftClaws
and 1 Wolf Scout Unit

Justyn wrote:
I believe he is talking about the minimum required units.

1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
5 (yes 5) Grey Hunter Units
1 Wolf Guard Unit
2 Long Fang Units
3 units chosen from BloodClaws, SkyClaws, SwiftClaws
and 1 Wolf Scout Unit

Wolf Lord: Got Plenty
Wolf Guard Battle Leader: Got Plenty
Grey Hunters: Only got 6
Long Gangs: Got Three of those
Blood Claws: 2x Blood Claws, 1x Sky Claws, 1x Swift Claws
Wolf Scouts: Got One
I am good to go!

Actually I don't think it was the # of models the he thought restrictive, but how many points it would be to field them all.

Looks like no more Wolf Guard troops. Awesome! Removing more options, that's cool. He better have dropped in points by a great deal, as he was already considered "not worth it" previously. It's good to see him at W4 like other Chapter Masters finally. His little ferry boat looks a bit lack luster for 70 points, but we shall see. What's stopping it from being shot to pieces turn one? The 4++, I suppose?

Be interested to see how it plays. If he's 300, on the nose, with the barge, I think that'd be good. Otherwise, too many points in comparison to what you get for Lord Smash Fether.

Justyn wrote:
Actually I don't think it was the # of models the he thought restrictive, but how many points it would be to field them all.

Well we normally play 2k-3k.
Only of you play small, low upgrade units will it fit under 2k just from at first glance though.

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Google translate is telling me that he gains 4 attacks if he's riding in Stormrider at S5 AP- I5, I believe. In addition to the 5 attacks at I5 and S6 AP3 that he already has. He cannot join units or other independent characters if riding Stormrider (which should now translate to other chariots to prevent them from doing the same *cough*CCB*cough*).

That could be the chariot's HOW attacks.

Not 100% as I don't see why they'd be at I5, but if it isn't, then it gets those too, and that starts to get a will number of attacks and starts to look like justifying the LoW label.