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Glad to see Logan is 4 wounds now like every other Chapter Master.

 pretre wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
So it seems that regular HQ can't take this chariot, so it's grimar only. Weird move by GW

According to what?


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Super Newb wrote:
Anyway, isn't building your own HQ model more fun anyway?

The new plastic kits allow you to build your own HQ with their HQ. My Krom is getting turned into Krakenbeard and if Logan is anything like Krom, so is he.

If it was also available for regular HQ, I think they would have included one in the kit (much like the karl franz kit can also make a regular empire genreal)

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Google translate is telling me that he gains 4 attacks if he's riding in Stormrider at S5 AP- I5, I believe. In addition to the 5 attacks at I5 and S6 AP3 that he already has. He cannot join units or other independent characters if riding Stormrider (which should now translate to other chariots to prevent them from doing the same *cough*CCB*cough*).

That could be the chariot's HOW attacks.

Not 100% as I don't see why they'd be at I5, but if it isn't, then it gets those too, and that starts to get a will number of attacks and starts to look like justifying the LoW label.

I think it's meant to represent the wolves attacking, similar to the TWC.

I thought the point of the wolves having different length cords was because it was a staggered harness set up like a sled dog. For a minute I had the idea that it was an alpha male thing leading or they might end up fighting each other but I guess that's not going to be the case.

At least not till I get my own and decide that's how it's going to be.

Looks like Dante is still going to have axe envy as Logan's Axe of Morikai doesn't act like actual axes.

The Chariot upgrade looks to be pretty good and if Logan starts clocking in at 10 attacks rending or otherwise, he is going to be beastly. Happy to see it AV12. I was worried it would be AV11 only. Logan going to be pretty safe in HTH against quite a few things.

I think the fact that Wolf Guard are no longer troops isn't such a big deal due to the encouragement of multiple detachments and the fact your not loosing one elite slot just to make sargents anymore. If I remember correctly the orks didn't have any FOC switching either. It might be the new direction of 7th edition codexs.

FP stands for AP, and it's AP- on those 4 extra attacks, and they're at strength 5. I think that represents the wolves pulling it. It's not that he just gets 4 extra swings with his axe. I didn't use a translator, I'm just looking at the other weapon profile on the same page where "F" is strength and "FP" is AP.

Looks like he's S6 AP3 normally, S8 AP2 when two-handed.

Those ap- attacks are rending, also it generates extra movement when it joins combat? I don't get that part

Yeah, its the fact that the wolf attacks are rending that makes it note worthy. That helps them be useful and at S5 you will still be wounding most things fairly easily and if nothing else just forcing more armor saves.

Maybe I will stick with my old logan model instead of buying the new one. I wouldn't want two of the same model in my list anyway.

Plus I got a feeling that its gonna be $81.00 like someone previously said.

I would rather have another Stormclaw gunship for that price.

so the wagon has a 4++ invuln, and I think it says that all penetrating hits are treated as glancing. Which makes the sled pretty tough.

Also that last line says that he can grant extra movement to join combat. But it doesn't say how much movement.

I approve of all of these releases. It will be nice to pull the wolves out of the closet and play them again.

So, am I the only one who actually quite likes the new logan model? I wasn't going to include him. But I think I might now. I like the sound of his rumoured/translated rules. I'm hoping you'll be able to detach him from his sled, rather than be glued to it.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
So, am I the only one who actually quite likes the new logan model? I wasn't going to include him. But I think I might now. I like the sound of his rumoured/translated rules. I'm hoping you'll be able to detach him from his sled, rather than be glued to it.

Put small magnets in his feet and then a set on the base and on the chariot. If you're really careful and good, you could drill from below the chariot bits to seat them there. Or just use a much bigger on inside the chariot to hold him there. This might rub the paint off, though.

How does this fit the fluff then? Anti-Grav technology used to be a lost knowledge from the Heresy until a few years ago when they decided the Master of the Ravenwing still had a jet bike. Now Logan Grimnar has a flying wheelbarrow. Is it about time they just announced that a STC has been recovered and anti-grav technology is available again?

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
How does this fit the fluff then? Anti-Grav technology used to be a lost knowledge from the Heresy until a few years ago when they decided the Master of the Ravenwing still had a jet bike. Now Logan Grimnar has a flying wheelbarrow. Is it about time they just announced that a STC has been recovered and anti-grav technology is available again?

Maybe they just adapted it from existing tech?

I'm not that familiar with 40k lore, but if it's "lost", what about all the land speeders?

I think they hop with thrust rather than continuously float. Otherwise there's no reason at all for there not to be marine jet bikes.

But that's the thing. There isn't any reason for there not to be any SM jetbikes. Other than complete reluctance of the Mechanicum to reverse engineer anything in order to adapt the hover technology for bikes. They don't have anti-grav STC, but they do have various STCs containing anti-grav technology. Today's engineers would take a month to completely shift the entire Imperial industry to anti-grav, but Mechanicum treats STC as immutable due to religion and superstition.

I can see this chariot to be something that the Wolves did themselves somewhat behind the Mechanicum's back. These things happen more often, vide Hellhound/Exorcist (can't remember which one was adapted from which), Baal Predators and possibly many others.

Haljin wrote:
But that's the thing. There isn't any reason for there not to be any SM jetbikes. Other than complete reluctance of the Mechanicum to reverse engineer anything in order to adapt the hover technology for bikes. They don't have anti-grav STC, but they do have various STCs containing anti-grav technology. Today's engineers would take a month to completely shift the entire Imperial industry to anti-grav, but Mechanicum treats STC as immutable due to religion and superstition.

I can see this chariot to be something that the Wolves did themselves somewhat behind the Mechanicum's back. These things happen more often, vide Hellhound/Exorcist (can't remember which one was adapted from which), Baal Predators and possibly many others.

A majority of the land raider variants

He's actually quite durable on the back of that thing.

If I recall, chariots allow you to allocate wounds to the rider or to the chariot, controlling player's choice. So anything that's not AP 2 gets pushed onto Logan, and the nasty stuff can just glance the chariot, or vice versa.

Ironically, logan is most vulnerable once you hit assault, because then the opposing player can choice what to hit.

Haljin wrote:

I can see this chariot to be something that the Wolves did themselves somewhat behind the Mechanicum's back. These things happen more often, vide Hellhound/Exorcist (can't remember which one was adapted from which), Baal Predators and possibly many others.

Yep, it tends to happen more often, now that there's a need to make new kits to sell..

Just noticed the head of Logan's wolf pelt is metal... and it's ears appear to be vents. Ew

 TheKbob wrote:
Looks like no more Wolf Guard troops. Awesome! Removing more options, that's cool.

Things like Wolf Guard Troops and Sagas just got in the way of forging a narrative.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Looks like no more Wolf Guard troops. Awesome! Removing more options, that's cool.

Things like Wolf Guard Troops and Sagas just got in the way of forging a narrative.

Yeah, these new warlord traits help me forge the narrative of my Wolf Lord Ancient Erik the Forgetful, suffering from dementia he keeps forgetting and remembering what his specialty is and his troops scramble before each battle unsure whether they'll be forced in to infiltrating, outflanking, or maybe Erik will charge blindly in to battle this time or perhaps think he's an exceptional leader and inspire his troops this time.

The Wolf Priests want to inspect the Erik's mind to try and help him, but Grimnar Claus just finds it funny and bellows "HO HO HO!!!" every time he is queried about the poor forgetful Erik.





...still a better bit of fluff than Murderfang the murdering Dreadnought the Space Wolves randomly found murdering around on a strange planet who murders with his Murderclaws while under the influence of a Murderlust.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Looks like no more Wolf Guard troops. Awesome! Removing more options, that's cool.

Things like Wolf Guard Troops and Sagas just got in the way of forging a narrative.

Ironic since a saga is a narrative!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Looks like no more Wolf Guard troops. Awesome! Removing more options, that's cool.

Things like Wolf Guard Troops and Sagas just got in the way of forging a narrative.

Yeah, these new warlord traits help me forge the narrative of my Wolf Lord Ancient Erik the Forgetful, suffering from dementia he keeps forgetting and remembering what his specialty is and his troops scramble before each battle unsure whether they'll be forced in to infiltrating, outflanking, or maybe Erik will charge blindly in to battle this time or perhaps think he's an exceptional leader and inspire his troops this time.

The Wolf Priests want to inspect the Erik's mind to try and help him, but Grimnar Claus just finds it funny and bellows "HO HO HO!!!" every time he is queried about the poor forgetful Erik.

...still a better bit of fluff than Murderfang the murdering Dreadnought the Space Wolves randomly found murdering around on a strange planet who murders with his Murderclaws while under the influence of a Murderlust.

Yeah I know people will complain that we had Sagas as well as Warlord Traits in the past and this is a simple balancing tidy-up, but we also didn't have access to gear that conferred bonuses which the Sagas supplied. I think that Warlord Traits in general are one part of the game that I could do without, especially in lieu of Saga equivalents. I would rather all army's had Codex specific Sagas that they could choose from to enchance or customise their armies more effectively, even things as simple as forgoing a traditional Trait so that Wolf Guard Terminators/Fenrisian Wolves can be fielded as troops, (if removed as rumoured). That adds something to the force, allows you to play Battle-forged without unbalancing the game and allows the player to field a fluffy army if they so choose.

As rumours stand, If I wanted to build my army around a theme, e.g. a learned Wolf Priest leading a Blood Claws pack in an advance ambush force to teach them the merits of surprise/advance tactics, then the Sagas allowed me to do so, now I have to build an army around the hope that my Wolf Priest Warlord rolls Saga of the Hunter, and if it doesn't just accept the premise of my battle plan is gone? Great.

Perhaps some of the Armoury will confer these special effects and buffs, akin to the Norn Crown in Codex: Tyranids expanding the synapse range, so too could items allow the Unit and IC to outflank without rolling... that's my hope at least. I won't freak until I've seen the Codex, and even if/when it's clear things have changed for the 'worse' I'll roll with the punches, just takes something away from the Wolves character for me.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:



...still a better bit of fluff than Murderfang the murdering Dreadnought the Space Wolves randomly found murdering around on a strange planet who murders with his Murderclaws while under the influence of a Murderlust.

From the company that brought you the Bloody Blood Blood-missile with Extra Blood warheads...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Looks like no more Wolf Guard troops. Awesome! Removing more options, that's cool.

Things like Wolf Guard Troops and Sagas just got in the way of forging a narrative.

Wolf Guard as Troops was always bizarre to me. It let them do Deathwing better than Deathwing because of how Wolf Guard played.

Sp if WG as troops is gone, how are all the people with WG armies gonna play now? If they are all PA, proxy as GH or BC, maybe. But presumably there's people who have gone all PW and PF and Combis. Or all Terminators.

What about people who have built a Wolfy Wolf army with Fenrisian Wolves, Thunderwolves, Lone Wolves with Wolves, Thunderwolf HQs?

Wouldn't matter a damn anyway now that Unbound armies are allowed. You can have as many Wolf Guard as you like.

The extra movement it is talking about is a pile in move from what someone said on another forum after translating. I think they wanted to be clear that it isn't some sort of HOW attack, and this allows him to make those attacks even if he is fighting 2 handed.

Also gives him some i5 attacks when charging Into cover..assuming chariots don't have time sort of assault special rule, since Logan doesn't have grenades.

Auto correct is worthless, I hate it,

Anyhow, so what is the break down right now? I think on a charge you're looking at...

1-6 S6 AP- HoW attacks from the Chariot
4 S5 AP- Rending i5 attacks
6 S6 Ap3 i5 attacks from Logan himself(that can instead be S8 ap2 i1)

Damn, the big man is going to slaughter the gak out of most things.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Looks like no more Wolf Guard troops. Awesome! Removing more options, that's cool.

Things like Wolf Guard Troops and Sagas just got in the way of forging a narrative.

Wolf Guard as Troops was always bizarre to me. It let them do Deathwing better than Deathwing because of how Wolf Guard played.

Don't worry, I am willing to wager that the new "supplement" coming out next week will have some sort of Loganwing formation in it, so you can keep using your models for...a small fee of course.