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Nah... use the Dollar. We'll let ya.

Well the Australians, Canadians and Hongkongers use dollars (though not American), but I suspect that all that'd do would serve to piss off all the Americanophobes (totally a word). In which case I predict the Americans sending over a peace force within the decade to establish a wee bit of order, whilst shaving off a wee bit of the oil reserves on the side. Damn, you guys have been playing us all!

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Damn, you guys have been playing us all!

Now you're thinking!

That damn revolution of yours was really setup to plant the seeds for the events happening right now. How didn't we see all of this!?

...Totally awaiting Alex Salmond to either turn out to be an American robot puppet, or to tear off his suit and be wearing a stereotypical Uncle Sam outfit. Either or.

 Da Boss wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Don't see why UK would permit that.

What are they going to do, declare war?

In a heart beat. That what countries do when other countries steal their precious resources.

But do it in style. Drag out the corpse of Long Shanks and march that sucker all the way to Edinburgh Castle on top of a a Chieftain Tank (because Chieftain's are epic cool). Escorted offshore by the HMS Victory and whatever battleships you haven't junked, firing 14in deck guns at every Scottish castle in range as they go. Flying columns of Redcoats in Bren carriers will occupy all corners of Scotland and proclaim it now and forever as part of Her Magesty's Kingdom.
Its our way. The Chicago Way.

While we're in farce mode.

Maybe Scotland should position itself with Russia. I hear that Putin fellow is a pretty swell guy...

 Medium of Death wrote:
While we're in farce mode.

Maybe Scotland should position itself with Russia. I hear that Putin fellow is a pretty swell guy...

He's also really good at dancing

Still waiting to see where this goes if a Yes does happen... might wreck a lot of Salmond's plans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/shetland-orkney-and-the-outer-hebrides-demand-independence-referendums-of-their-own-if-scotland-votes-yes-9217514.html

It's from March and there has been some mixed reporting since then, but there is a still a core group up there who seem to be considering this an option.

I asked that question earlier in the thread. My guess is that Emperor Salmond will not relinquish power (not to mention all the oil) to a group who want to democratically split away from a central government who does not represent the local people, and throughout history has sidelined them and stolen all their wealth.

Wait a second...

 SilverMK2 wrote:
I asked that question earlier in the thread. My guess is that Emperor Salmond will not relinquish power (not to mention all the oil) to a group who want to democratically split away from a central government who does not represent the local people, and throughout history has sidelined them and stolen all their wealth.

Wait a second...

Hey stop that! You know it's only us Southerners stirring it up, the Shetlands are happy as they are and would love to be part of the Greater Scottish Empire

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Nah we'll use the Franc. Not like the French are using it anymore, plus there's purdy ladies on the coins.

That wouldn't be such a bad idea.

You know how french people enjoy this "let's piss the english" game. France helped the US, collaborated with Germany, provided technical support to the argentinian navy during the Falkland war...
Remember the Auld Alliance. We do strongly respect and support all attempts, and the current one is trully epic. The scottish creativity never disappoints.

Extra work for Legoburner?

Litcheur wrote:

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Nah we'll use the Franc. Not like the French are using it anymore, plus there's purdy ladies on the coins.

That wouldn't be such a bad idea.

You know how french people enjoy this "let's piss the english" game. France helped the US, collaborated with Germany, provided technical support to the argentinian navy during the Falkland war...
Remember the Auld Alliance. We do strongly respect and support all attempts, and the current one is trully epic. The scottish creativity never disappoints.

Extra work for Legoburner?

Whilst they did have arms deals with Argentina prior to the Falklands War, I thought France suspended those deals during the war and supplied the UK with technical specifications for the French weapons?

SNP has been crying how the have to get the independence to protect (the already devolved!) NHS from evil Westminster. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, they have planned how to cut NHS services. How the hell anyone, let alone half of the country, will trust these liars?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Whilst they did have arms deals with Argentina prior to the Falklands War, I thought France suspended those deals during the war and supplied the UK with technical specifications for the French weapons?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17256975

 Crimson wrote:
How the hell anyone, let alone half of the country, will trust these liars?

Because FREEDOM FOR SCOTLAND! derp.

Characterizing scots who want independence as idiots is really helping the "no" cause alright.

Perhaps it would be better to look at the grievances the Yes side has that make them want to split from the UK and address them.

Yeah I got to say there's a lot of morons online on all sides, from the Anglophobes to the "Scots are whiny freeloading terrorist" crowd. BBC comments are certainly rife with the latter, which is obviously endearing. I think at this rate I'm just going to spoil my ballot.

 Da Boss wrote:

Perhaps it would be better to look at the grievances the Yes side has that make them want to split from the UK and address them.

I greatly sympathise with the many yes-supporters' wish for fairer, more leftish Scotland with less austerity. I just don't believe that Independence will deliver that, the results will be opposite; the separation will cause serious economic issues, which will lead to more austerity (this is also the view of many respected economists who have no horse in this race.) The best bet for more leftish Scotland is the increased devolution and voting people who are actually interested in such policies (instead of independence at any cost) in the Scottish Parliament.

Why exactly is the UK permitting this?

Democracy?

What I reckon happened, perhaps I'm wrong, is that the SNP was pushing for more devolution of power from the Westminister government. They wanted a "devo max" as in, a much more devolved parliament from the UK.

Cameron said no to this option, leaving them with a straight Yes/No referendum. I guess he assumed everyone would vote No, and he could go back to ignoring Scotland and pandering to the City of London.

Salmond and his cronies seized on this as a chance at independence and probable increased power for themselves. Over the course of the campaign, many neutral scots became sceptical of the tactics and rhetoric of the No side, and suddenly it became a much closer race than Cameron anticipated. Cue panic.

 Da Boss wrote:
Democracy?

What I reckon happened, perhaps I'm wrong, is that the SNP was pushing for more devolution of power from the Westminister government. They wanted a "devo max" as in, a much more devolved parliament from the UK.

Cameron said no to this option, leaving them with a straight Yes/No referendum. I guess he assumed everyone would vote No, and he could go back to ignoring Scotland and pandering to the City of London.

Salmond and his cronies seized on this as a chance at independence and probable increased power for themselves. Over the course of the campaign, many neutral scots became sceptical of the tactics and rhetoric of the No side, and suddenly it became a much closer race than Cameron anticipated. Cue panic.

How is destroying your republic democracy? Where is your Lincoln preaching that a house divided cannot stand?

 Da Boss wrote:
Democracy?

What I reckon happened, perhaps I'm wrong, is that the SNP was pushing for more devolution of power from the Westminister government. They wanted a "devo max" as in, a much more devolved parliament from the UK.

Cameron said no to this option, leaving them with a straight Yes/No referendum. I guess he assumed everyone would vote No, and he could go back to ignoring Scotland and pandering to the City of London.

Salmond and his cronies seized on this as a chance at independence and probable increased power for themselves. Over the course of the campaign, many neutral scots became sceptical of the tactics and rhetoric of the No side, and suddenly it became a much closer race than Cameron anticipated. Cue panic.

An unfair outlook frankly.

Devomax was off the ballot because people would vote for it, there would be no test of the independence referendum and as a result you get Devo max and then five years (or less) down the line the SNP say ' hey Scotland, we like devo max, how about independence'. Thus there has to be a independence yes/no referndum with devo max following as a separate issue.
Devo max would happen, it was just a matter of how much and what and nobody could agree because of the three party split.
The 'panic' ias a claim made by Salmond irrespective of whether London is panicking or not, based on a single poll giving Yes the lead.

Cameron does pander to the City, you got that might right, though I really wished you were wrong here. The cronyism has been very damaging, not so much this referendum but it has soiled austerity, heaped further debt, and shredded the Tories re-election chances.

 Frazzled wrote:


How is destroying your republic democracy? Where is your Lincoln preaching that a house divided cannot stand?

Blair divided the house. These are consequences of his deliberate mismangement.

Blair divided the house. These are consequences of his deliberate mismangement.

So? You had mui grande sucky PMs before. Besides he had an excellent accent.

 Frazzled wrote:


How is destroying your republic democracy? Where is your Lincoln preaching that a house divided cannot stand?

1. We don't have a republic. We are a constitutional monarchy.

2. The house is already divided. Until recent years Scotland has been completely ignored by the rest of the country. Everything the Scots have that is good (oil, timber, poor people who'll work cheaply) is British. Everything that is bad (awesome poverty problems, expensive to manage infastructure, social isolation) is Scottish. It only goes one way. Devolution has put the Scots in charge of the stuff that the English don't need, and that's it. All the decent housing in rural Scotland have been bought by wealthy English people - often to use as holiday homes, making it difficult for Scottish people to afford to live cheaply. Our National Anthem even still has a line about bashing Scottish people. For years Scotland had been treated with disdain. We have no-one who can successfully unite the two countries whilst one is the exploited party.

If I was Scottish I'd vote Yes. I'd rather be ruled by local spankers than distant ones. Self-government is important. Would Americans want to be part of a United States Of North America if Mexico had all the power? Or Canada? In fact, as I understand it, America has states rights written into its constitution. Scotland has none of that yet.

1. We don't have a republic. We are a constitutional monarchy.

Hey thats not my fault. My ancestors tried to fix that problem for you...

 Frazzled wrote:
Why exactly is the UK permitting this?

Because we prefer resorting to the ballot box than starting a Civil War when one region wants to secede.

 Da Boss wrote:
Democracy?

What I reckon happened, perhaps I'm wrong, is that the SNP was pushing for more devolution of power from the Westminister government. They wanted a "devo max" as in, a much more devolved parliament from the UK.

Cameron said no to this option, leaving them with a straight Yes/No referendum. I guess he assumed everyone would vote No, and he could go back to ignoring Scotland and pandering to the City of London.

Salmond and his cronies seized on this as a chance at independence and probable increased power for themselves. Over the course of the campaign, many neutral scots became sceptical of the tactics and rhetoric of the No side, and suddenly it became a much closer race than Cameron anticipated. Cue panic.

Very astute observation, and as close to the truth, as we're likely to get.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Why exactly is the UK permitting this?

Because we prefer resorting to the ballot box than starting a Civil War when one region wants to secede.

(Looks at the wars in Ireland). Orly????

What's one more country...



But seriously, this has been very informative to follow.

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