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What I reckon happened, perhaps I'm wrong, is that the SNP was pushing for more devolution of power from the Westminister government. They wanted a "devo max" as in, a much more devolved parliament from the UK.
Cameron said no to this option, leaving them with a straight Yes/No referendum. I guess he assumed everyone would vote No, and he could go back to ignoring Scotland and pandering to the City of London.
In all fairness, there aren't exactly many people in Scotland who do anything but ignore Cameron. The Conservative voterbase in Scotland is tiny, hence the repeated scream that Cameron/the Tories are unrepresentative of the Scottish people's will.
Salmond and his cronies seized on this as a chance at independence and probable increased power for themselves. Over the course of the campaign, many neutral scots became sceptical of the tactics and rhetoric of the No side, and suddenly it became a much closer race than Cameron anticipated. Cue panic.
I agree that the race is perceived to be close by the politicians, and that that fact has dictated their responses. I don not however, believe that the result itself is actually close. Why?
Because I believe that polling itself regularly shows itself to be highly inaccurate. Yougov, the ones who did the poll that showed 'Yes' in the lead that one time have shown themselves to be highly accurate occasionally in some cases (like in the last presidential election, check out their self-written wiki page for a list of times they've called it right). But they've also shown themselves to be really inaccurate in several others, for example, their polls were 15% off with regards to the result of the AV referendum, and 12% off with the results of the last General Election.
Not only that, Yougov's sample size for the Scottish referendum was actually only half of their usual size, at just over a thousand people instead of their usual two thousand. They also don't allow their results to stand on pure data, they actually modify the result of the answers they receive in line with a computer algorithm to give greater prominence to certain factors, and less to others, eg. if only twenty old people voted in that online survey, it will regard the opinions of those twenty old people as scoring ten times over in line with the population figures.
The obvious result of all this jiggery pokery is that many of these polls predicting independence or not, are actually a dreadful way of predicting results generally. You read 'Yes Camp on 48% and No Camp on 52%!' being screamed from the headlines, and take it on faith that they know what they're talking about. But the actual methodology of online polling is extremely susceptible to being skewed by either the small sample size, an algorithm mistake, or people trying to manipulate it for financial gain (you get paid for taking part).
daddyorchips wrote:
2. The house is already divided. Until recent years Scotland has been completely ignored by the rest of the country. Everything the Scots have that is good (oil, timber, poor people who'll work cheaply) is British. Everything that is bad (awesome poverty problems, expensive to manage infastructure, social isolation) is Scottish. It only goes one way. Devolution has put the Scots in charge of the stuff that the English don't need, and that's it.
Something of an extreme exaggeration.
All the decent housing in rural Scotland have been bought by wealthy English people - often to use as holiday homes, making it difficult for Scottish people to afford to live cheaply.
You're claiming that the Scottish house price market is driven by wealthy English people buying holiday homes? Seriously? Please cite appropriate studies or sources as to where this information came from, because that sounds illogical on just about every point of common sense.
Our National Anthem even still has a line about bashing Scottish people. For years Scotland had been treated with disdain. We have no-one who can successfully unite the two countries whilst one is the exploited party.
Exploited? Many Scottish people like to talk about how they put in more than they take out, but those same people also like to conveniently ignore the amount invested in infrastructure in things like oil extraction by the UK Government. Among numerous other fallacies with that argument.
I know that there's a popular trend to portray 'puir wee Scotland' as a domestic abuse partner, but the figures rarely bear it out without direct manipulation. Scottish people get out of the Union economically roughly what they put in, Scottish people are well represented in British politics (our last PM was Scottish), and Scottish people have an appropriate democratic impact on general elections for their population size and inclination.
If the Scots want to go their own way, then fair enough, but this desire to paint the picture of an exploited oppressed nation is really quite inaccurate, and tiresome to boot.
If I was Scottish I'd vote Yes. I'd rather be ruled by local spankers than distant ones. Self-government is important. Would Americans want to be part of a United States Of North America if Mexico had all the power? Or Canada? In fact, as I understand it, America has states rights written into its constitution. Scotland has none of that yet.
That's because we have no written constitution, and we're not a republic or a federal system.....
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I have often thought a system in which each country has an equal number of seats in the House of Lords might be a good way of combining democratic accountability while preventing the tyranny of the majority.
That does sound reasonable. Wouldn't it be better if England was allowed more representation by grouping various counties into mini-states or something along that line? Allows various neglected parts of England to have their say.
There is something rotten in the state of Europe when an unelected, unaccountable EU body can glibly inform millions of us that we no longer have the right to question its most dangerous and unpopular policies.
This is exactly what has just happened, as the European Commission has announced that it will not allow a European Citizens' Initiative (ECI) to challenge the secret trade talks it is holding with the US government, supposedly on our behalf.
The ruling is a slap in the face for the 230 civil society organisations from across Europe that have lined up behind the initiative, and the millions of European citizens they represent. The ECI is the only vehicle available to us to challenge the shadowy bureaucrats of the European Commission. Now even this seems to be too much scrutiny for them.
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The negotiations on the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) have become one of the hottest political topics across Europe. TTIP is effectively a new bill of rights for multinational corporations, granting them unprecedented powers and undermining vital labour, environmental and food safety standards in the name of 'free' trade.
TTIP is also a direct threat to our democracy, as the European Commission seeks to allow companies to challenge future policies introduced anywhere in Europe that could jeopardise their bottom line. The ECI, by contrast, was a fully democratic response. And the Commission has blocked it.
There are already huge movements of opposition to TTIP in most European countries. Trade unions and global justice groups have joined forces with environmental, consumer and digital privacy campaigners to confront the common threat that the negotiations pose.
The European Commission is well aware of the strength of this resistance, as it has been forced to suspend negotiations on one of the most controversial aspects of the agreement: the new ‘investor-state dispute settlement’ powers that companies will win through TTIP to sue host states when their profits come under threat.
That mechanism has been questioned by the German and French governments, as it effectively raises transnational capital to the status of the nation state itself. The new powers are already being used elsewhere under other treaties, as in the billion-dollar challenge being brought by Philip Morris against the Australian government for loss of profits as a result of the country's public health requirement that all cigarettes be sold in plain packaging.
Under similar provisions in the Energy Charter Treaty, the Swedish energy company Vattenfall is suing Germany for €3.7 billion (£2.94 billion) over its decision to phase out nuclear power in the wake of the Fukushima disaster. French company Veolia is even suing the Egyptian government for threatening its profits by raising the minimum wage. And there are countless other equally shocking examples stretching back over the past 20 years.
As always, the UK government is a major part of the problem. Leaked documents from internal EU discussions over the parallel EU-Canada trade talks (CETA) reveal that the UK is the only member state providing unconditional support for the European Commission in its desire to introduce these new powers for business, at the expense of democracy and the rule of law.
Yet just this week, the British trade union movement came out in full opposition to the introduction of all investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms in EU trade deals, with a unanimous vote to stop the EU-US talks in their tracks.
Not only is TTIP predicted to cost at least one million jobs between the EU and USA, but it will also make it impossible for any future government to repeal the Health & Social Care Act and bring the NHS back into public hands.
I am one of the seven people who make up the European citizens' committee for the ECI against TTIP and CETA that the Commission has rejected. With fellow representatives from France, Germany, Finland, Romania, Luxembourg and Portugal, we were responsible for raising one million signatures in favour of the initiative within a year.
Given the massive opposition that exists to TTIP across Europe, we were confident of meeting the target well within the required time. The European Commission obviously thought the same, hence its decision to strangle the initiative at birth.
This is by no means the end of the story. We have legal advice to suggest that the European Commission is on thin ice in its attempt to prevent the ECI from going ahead, and we can take our appeal direct to the European Court of Justice in order to get the block lifted.
The fight against TTIP will continue regardless of whether we overcome the Commission's opposition to the ECI. But the Brussels bureaucrats need to be careful as to the long-term consequences of their contempt for democracy.
The European parliament elections this May saw an unprecedented surge in the number of voters rejecting the European project in its entirety. Ukip won more seats than any other UK party, the Front National topped the poll in France and some of our continent's nastiest far-right extremists now enjoy the legitimacy of EU parliamentary representation.
Jean-Claude Juncker, newly appointed as president of the European Commission, has been talking of his desire to see 'fairness and democracy' at the heart of Europe. He would do well to clean out his own stables first.
TTIP can seriously get to feth...
Is anybody else across Europe worried about this?
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Kilkrazy wrote: I have often thought a system in which each country has an equal number of seats in the House of Lords might be a good way of combining democratic accountability while preventing the tyranny of the majority.
Which would be a system where 5.3 million people of Scotland have the same representation as 53 million people in England. That seems the antithesis of democracy. The current system where some constituencies are much larger than others is bad enough.
In a letter in the Sun, 14 former armed forces chiefs said a No referendum vote was "critical for all our security".
Breaking up Britain would "weaken us all", they added.
First Minister Alex Salmond cited military and naval figures who backed a "Yes" vote and said the letter's writers should "not try to use people's service for political reasons".
The letter was signed by seven former Chiefs of Defence Staff - Lords Boyce, Guthrie, Inge, Vincent, Stirrup, Craig and Richards.
Also putting their names to the letter were three former First Sea Lords - Lord West, Admiral Sir Mark Stanhope and Admiral Sir Jonathan Band; three ex-Army chiefs - Lord Dannatt, General Sir Mike Jackson and General Sir Roger Wheeler; and former head of the RAF, Air Chief Marshal Sir Richard Johns.
'Successful alliance'
In an "open letter to the people of Scotland", they expressed concern about the possibility of a separate Scottish military.
"As former chiefs of the Royal Navy, British army and Royal Air Force, we know it is fiction to talk about regional armed forces," they wrote.
"We train as one, fight as one and are under one command. We are not, and have never been, structured for division."
They said a vote for separation would "undermine both Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom's defence".
"At risk is the most successful alliance in history and one which has seen men and women from all parts of the country play their part in securing the liberties we now enjoy," they continued.
"This unity has guarded our borders and given us the space to prosper in a troubled world."
The letter concluded: "The division of the UK may or may not be politically or economically sensible, but in military terms we are clear: it will weaken us all."
'Loyal soldiers'
Interviewed on Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Salmond cited support for independence by Jimmy Sinclair, a 102-year-old former Desert Rat, and Lt-Cdr Colin May, who recently retired as a senior Royal Navy intelligence officer at the Faslane submarine base.
There was "a whole range of other people who've served this country coming out in favour of a 'Yes' vote," said Mr Salmond.
"With due respect to General Dannatt, people like Jimmy Sinclair didn't serve for him; they served for the Queen and for democracy.
People "should listen to the words of serving soldiers and make it clear that... you can believe in democracy and independence for Scotland and be a loyal solider.
"General Dannatt should go and have a talk with Jimmy Sinclair and not try to use people's service for political reasons."
So when high ranking officers point out the practical problems and the risk to all our security it is "use people's service for political reasons." but when Alex Salmond and the Yes campaign by extension uses mid ranking officers to make emotional pleas that is all fine and dandy. Alex Salmond continues his campaign of rank hypocrisy and bullying.
The letter in full:
SIR – We believe the grave implications of separation from the UK for security and defence-related employment in Scotland have not been spelt out to voters.
The SNP defence plans are unachievable within their planned funding and timescale. Comparisons with Norway and Denmark ignore the fact that both built their defence and security arrangements over decades, under the Nato umbrella and during a time of bigger Cold War spending. It would take decades for an independent Scotland to build up a substitute for the training, administrative and procurement infrastructure presently situated in England.
Nor do we believe that anything like the 20,000 personnel envisaged will be attracted by the career opportunities offered by the Scottish Armed Forces. Rather, the best may leave altogether, seeing the split as an act of destruction and leadership failure. This could lead to the loss of premier-league capability for ever.
Faslane as a Scottish Armed Forces HQ cannot offer the 8,200 jobs the UK Ministry of Defence presently plans, to say nothing of the many other businesses dependent on their custom. Scotstoun and Govan expect to build 13 new frigates for the Royal Navy. Such orders are placed in the UK only by use of the European Union-allowed derogation from single-market rules for national security. The UK might not be able to place this order in an independent Scotland. Scottish Navy orders would be no substitute, nor are exports likely to close the gap.
In summary, we advise that Scottish separation will entail many lost jobs and leave Scotland very poorly defended in an increasingly dangerous world, especially as the SNP’s policy on nuclear weapons could render it ineligible for Nato membership.
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Finally, we have all served worldwide with Scots shipmates. UK Armed Forces are known globally and a force for good. Splitting the Union would do them immense damage. Defence and maritime security are vital to the elemental decision facing the Scots, affecting 65 million people and their descendants for ever.
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insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
With regards to the earlier point about housing one can say most definitely that there are indeed areas where affluent "outsiders" ( often English but not exclusively) have bought holiday homes and do indeed price locals out of the market.
There's a similar issue in Whitstable with the " DFLs".
Indeed one would suggest this issue is quite common the world over.
And I'm not sure it can be or is claimed to be THE driving force behind the housing market.
Thing is unless they're going to start seizing property or changing the market rules one doesn't quite see how Scotland being independent is actually going to solve this issue ?
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Medium of Death wrote: That does sound reasonable. Wouldn't it be better if England was allowed more representation by grouping various counties into mini-states or something along that line? Allows various neglected parts of England to have their say.
There is something rotten in the state of Europe when an unelected, unaccountable EU body can glibly inform millions of us that we no longer have the right to question its most dangerous and unpopular policies.
This is exactly what has just happened, as the European Commission has announced that it will not allow a European Citizens' Initiative (ECI) to challenge the secret trade talks it is holding with the US government, supposedly on our behalf.
The ruling is a slap in the face for the 230 civil society organisations from across Europe that have lined up behind the initiative, and the millions of European citizens they represent. The ECI is the only vehicle available to us to challenge the shadowy bureaucrats of the European Commission. Now even this seems to be too much scrutiny for them.
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The negotiations on the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) have become one of the hottest political topics across Europe. TTIP is effectively a new bill of rights for multinational corporations, granting them unprecedented powers and undermining vital labour, environmental and food safety standards in the name of 'free' trade.
TTIP is also a direct threat to our democracy, as the European Commission seeks to allow companies to challenge future policies introduced anywhere in Europe that could jeopardise their bottom line. The ECI, by contrast, was a fully democratic response. And the Commission has blocked it.
There are already huge movements of opposition to TTIP in most European countries. Trade unions and global justice groups have joined forces with environmental, consumer and digital privacy campaigners to confront the common threat that the negotiations pose.
The European Commission is well aware of the strength of this resistance, as it has been forced to suspend negotiations on one of the most controversial aspects of the agreement: the new ‘investor-state dispute settlement’ powers that companies will win through TTIP to sue host states when their profits come under threat.
That mechanism has been questioned by the German and French governments, as it effectively raises transnational capital to the status of the nation state itself. The new powers are already being used elsewhere under other treaties, as in the billion-dollar challenge being brought by Philip Morris against the Australian government for loss of profits as a result of the country's public health requirement that all cigarettes be sold in plain packaging.
Under similar provisions in the Energy Charter Treaty, the Swedish energy company Vattenfall is suing Germany for €3.7 billion (£2.94 billion) over its decision to phase out nuclear power in the wake of the Fukushima disaster. French company Veolia is even suing the Egyptian government for threatening its profits by raising the minimum wage. And there are countless other equally shocking examples stretching back over the past 20 years.
As always, the UK government is a major part of the problem. Leaked documents from internal EU discussions over the parallel EU-Canada trade talks (CETA) reveal that the UK is the only member state providing unconditional support for the European Commission in its desire to introduce these new powers for business, at the expense of democracy and the rule of law.
Yet just this week, the British trade union movement came out in full opposition to the introduction of all investor-state dispute settlement mechanisms in EU trade deals, with a unanimous vote to stop the EU-US talks in their tracks.
Not only is TTIP predicted to cost at least one million jobs between the EU and USA, but it will also make it impossible for any future government to repeal the Health & Social Care Act and bring the NHS back into public hands.
I am one of the seven people who make up the European citizens' committee for the ECI against TTIP and CETA that the Commission has rejected. With fellow representatives from France, Germany, Finland, Romania, Luxembourg and Portugal, we were responsible for raising one million signatures in favour of the initiative within a year.
Given the massive opposition that exists to TTIP across Europe, we were confident of meeting the target well within the required time. The European Commission obviously thought the same, hence its decision to strangle the initiative at birth.
This is by no means the end of the story. We have legal advice to suggest that the European Commission is on thin ice in its attempt to prevent the ECI from going ahead, and we can take our appeal direct to the European Court of Justice in order to get the block lifted.
The fight against TTIP will continue regardless of whether we overcome the Commission's opposition to the ECI. But the Brussels bureaucrats need to be careful as to the long-term consequences of their contempt for democracy.
The European parliament elections this May saw an unprecedented surge in the number of voters rejecting the European project in its entirety. Ukip won more seats than any other UK party, the Front National topped the poll in France and some of our continent's nastiest far-right extremists now enjoy the legitimacy of EU parliamentary representation.
Jean-Claude Juncker, newly appointed as president of the European Commission, has been talking of his desire to see 'fairness and democracy' at the heart of Europe. He would do well to clean out his own stables first.
TTIP can seriously get to feth...
Is anybody else across Europe worried about this?
I am. I thought I was a voice in the wilderness, seems I,m not the only one.
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reds8n wrote: With regards to the earlier point about housing one can say most definitely that there are indeed areas where affluent "outsiders" ( often English but not exclusively) have bought holiday homes and do indeed price locals out of the market.
There's a similar issue in Whitstable with the " DFLs".
Indeed one would suggest this issue is quite common the world over.
And I'm not sure it can be or is claimed to be THE driving force behind the housing market.
Thing is unless they're going to start seizing property or changing the market rules one doesn't quite see how Scotland being independent is actually going to solve this issue ?
It is a big issue where I live. It IS the driving force in some areas (Parts of Cornwall, the Cotswolds), but I doubt it is in most of Scotland. Seems more like a convenient scapegoat than a fact, and like you say, unless the Scottish government were to start seizing houses or do something like put massive taxes on second homes, I can't see how independence would change anything. Massive taxes would not happen anyway as it would damage the tourist industry, which is too valuable to Scotland.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
But this is perhaps best discussed elsewhere, so we don't clutter this thread.
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I really disliked the press when they say it's bullying to harass political leaders. These people have let the entire UK down. Scotland is pretty politicised at the moment, it's only natural that people vent their anger towards them.
Are our leaders such insipid tossers that they can't stand to see reality?
Out of interest is this a totally open result poll or does it have to be by a certain margin? I can see some unhappy people if the vote goes against you by 1% and I can't see this being the end of the matter if that's the case.
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kronk wrote: In the spirit of tomorrow's election, I'll remind our friends across the pond of a Louisiana proverb:
"Vote Early, Vote Often"
Best of luck, gents!
A lot of your countrymen (and women!) seem to be coming out against Scottish independence. Is there still a house un-American activities committee still up and running? These people should be reported for pro British sentiment! No true American would support Britain. Remember the Alamo!
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Wolfstan wrote: Out of interest is this a totally open result poll or does it have to be by a certain margin? I can see some unhappy people if the vote goes against you by 1% and I can't see this being the end of the matter if that's the case.
No margin. All you need is 50% + 1 vote to claim victory. It might be that close.
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Most of the poll results discount the "not sure" results. I think that there is a significant amount of people who are either undecided or who are disinclined to take part in pre-voting polls who are generally uninterested in independence who will pad the "no" vote quite a lot more than might be predicted given the results of the online polls.
SilverMK2 wrote: Most of the poll results discount the "not sure" results. I think that there is a significant amount of people who are either undecided or who are disinclined to take part in pre-voting polls who are generally uninterested in independence who will pad the "no" vote quite a lot more than might be predicted given the results of the online polls.
You think a person would get out of bed and take the pains of heading over to the voting booth just to vote No?
I'll give the benefit of doubt to the Yes voters, since they seem to be the far more passionate bunch!
Pretty much every person wanting Scottish independence is going to vote tomorrow.
I dont think every person not caring about Scottish independence is going to vote tomorrow. And that might just make all the difference.
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Depends on if it's only a vote for Scottish Independence or if there are other things on the Ballot. But it's England so I have no idea how it works. Here in the US you would probably give the undetermines to the No's because they are people who don't care enough and would be showing up to vote for other items. If it's the only thing on the ballot then yeah, I'd say it would lean more toward the yes's.
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Hulksmash wrote: Depends on if it's only a vote for Scottish Independence or if there are other things on the Ballot. But it's England so I have no idea how it works. Here in the US you would probably give the undetermines to the No's because they are people who don't care enough and would be showing up to vote for other items. If it's the only thing on the ballot then yeah, I'd say it would lean more toward the yes's.
It's a simple Yes/No ballot, nothing else being voted upon.
AFAIK that's not as common over here as it seems to be stateside.
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Ravenous D wrote: 40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote: GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
Ravenous D wrote: 40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote: GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
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