Scottish Independence Debate.

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**Orlanth**

Thing is Texas would make a sizable and very rich nation state, no questions. no worries.

Texas also has its own treaty with the Union that allows it a get out clause.

That being said refereenda are a means to permanent dissent, if we get a No vote we will have regular campaigning for more and mor without solid leadership now, and Cameromn isnt into solid leadership, it rocks the boat fro his business pals.

Scotland is opening the doors to division across western society, I dont think Texas will secede, but parts of Spain and Italy might and the French also have worries.
This is going to get real ugly, fast.

**Co'tor Shas**

Texas has no loophole to leave. That's completely made up. It can, however, split into five states at any time.

**Relapse**

Orlanth wrote:
Thing is Texas would make a sizable and very rich nation state, no questions. no worries.

Texas also has its own treaty with the Union that allows it a get out clause.

That being said refereenda are a means to permanent dissent, if we get a No vote we will have regular campaigning for more and mor without solid leadership now, and Cameromn isnt into solid leadership, it rocks the boat fro his business pals.

Scotland is opening the doors to division across western society, I dont think Texas will secede, but parts of Spain and Italy might and the French also have worries.
This is going to get real ugly, fast.

You can best believe Quebec is watching this vote.

**Co'tor Shas**

Quebec, however, is not allowed to leave as far as know.

**ZebioLizard2**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Quebec, however, is not allowed to leave as far as know.

Would they really want to, considering the amount of funds they get from the government?

**Orlanth**

Howe long until Quebec can have another referendum, there is a clock IIRC.

**reds8n**

.. Good luck to all concerned anyway.

Choose your vote wisely.

Gather some pubs have been granted special license to stay open all night until the count is done....

... regardless of the result.. don't ever change !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme

**Blackhoof**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Blackhoof wrote:
Yeah, those would be the lefties who ARE xenophobes believing whatever crap UKIP feeds them about immigration and immigrants. The ones who aren't presumably stuck with Labour.

Yes... Xenophobic indeed.

Spoiler:

UKIP's raison d'être is to leave the European Union. The majority of immigration to the UK is from other European Union countries. Europe is mostly White. Not brown, not black. White.

xenophobia comes from the Latin phobos, meaning fear, and xenos, meaning alien. It is a fear of foreigners or other countries, not of race (not inherently, at least). The fact that anti-immigration policies are pushed by them when immigration is a net bonus to an economy tells me that xenophobia plays a part, most certainly.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Frazzled wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:
Was at the Yes rally in George Square today.

Fantastic time, friendly crowds and great atmosphere. Enjoyed waving my DIY flag although after around 6 hours my arms are pretty tired.

Some Unionists tried to disrupt the music at the front by jumping into the performance area with their Union Jacks and interrupting the musicians. They played on and the police took them away. They came back later and stood outside the Glasgow City Chambers and were met with a larger crowd of Yes supporters waving the flags across the road. These weren't just No Voters but SDL/BNP types. Complete morons out looking for a fight. Nobody was biting from Yes.

Made a new English pal at the rally, he's just recently up in Glasgow and we had a good chinwag. And they say Yes is full of anti-English bullies.

Good times. Roll on result friday!

Enjoy it while you can. If its yes the recession will come shortly for you. Hope you like unemployment.

Frazz, when your countrymen broke away 250 years ago, the American economy hit rock bottom after the war. This is something I have no doubt you probably know. But despite the hardship, I can 100% guarantee, that nobody ever thought about rolling up the white flag and asking London to take them back. Sometimes it's not about the economy.

**Medium of Death**

Just back from the polling station. Very, very, very, very busy. Lots of people walking there and back, more than I have ever seen at that particular polling station.

A solitary police officer standing outside the station. Hopefully he won't be needed.

Will this be Scotland's worse hangover or will we be still buzzing for a party the next day? Only time will tell!

**Daba**

Why not both?

**Frazzled**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Texas has no loophole to leave. That's completely made up. It can, however, split into five states at any time.

Thats not correct actually.

However, the court case of Lee vs. Grant (writ denied) held that once you join this thing of ours, you don't leave.

I don't see why Britain is allowing this. I don't see other countries doing so. Thats why they have troops.

**jhe90**

Good luck, honestly I'll be glad to see it out the news a bit less, the constant coverage was in portent yet but got annoying.

Choose wisely though, its no tempery choice./

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Frazzled wrote:
Co'tor Shas wrote:
Texas has no loophole to leave. That's completely made up. It can, however, split into five states at any time.

Thats not correct actually.

However, the court case of Lee vs. Grant (writ denied) held that once you join this thing of ours, you don't leave.

I don't see why Britain is allowing this. I don't see other countries doing so. Thats why they have troops.

It's called "Democracy". As an American, perhaps you have heard of it?

**Frazzled**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:
Was at the Yes rally in George Square today.

Fantastic time, friendly crowds and great atmosphere. Enjoyed waving my DIY flag although after around 6 hours my arms are pretty tired.

Some Unionists tried to disrupt the music at the front by jumping into the performance area with their Union Jacks and interrupting the musicians. They played on and the police took them away. They came back later and stood outside the Glasgow City Chambers and were met with a larger crowd of Yes supporters waving the flags across the road. These weren't just No Voters but SDL/BNP types. Complete morons out looking for a fight. Nobody was biting from Yes.

Made a new English pal at the rally, he's just recently up in Glasgow and we had a good chinwag. And they say Yes is full of anti-English bullies.

Good times. Roll on result friday!

Enjoy it while you can. If its yes the recession will come shortly for you. Hope you like unemployment.

Here's the hard facts:
Scotland has 4mm people
What industry do you have exactly because sheep ranching? Seriously. How much of that is tied to the North Sea? How much do you think Britain will allow you to keep if you do split?

Seriously if I were PM. The moment the balance said yes I'd declare oops sorry didn't count with a "my bad, just kidding." If I were Queen I'd tell Scotland to toss off, you aint leaving da party you hairy haggis eater. Now rub my feet!
Frazz, when your countrymen broke away 250 years ago, the American economy hit rock bottom after the war. This is something I have no doubt you probably know. But despite the hardship, I can 100% guarantee, that nobody ever thought about rolling up the white flag and asking London to take them back. Sometimes it's not about the economy.

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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Co'tor Shas wrote:
Texas has no loophole to leave. That's completely made up. It can, however, split into five states at any time.

Thats not correct actually.

However, the court case of Lee vs. Grant (writ denied) held that once you join this thing of ours, you don't leave.

I don't see why Britain is allowing this. I don't see other countries doing so. Thats why they have troops.

It's called "Democracy". As an American, perhaps you have heard of it?

Again, you didn't employ democracy in Ireland now did you boyo.

**MrDwhitey**

a) I didn't realise Shadow Captain was directly involved in that

b) times change, something any sane person usually realises

**d-usa**

I think the independence of the Republic of Ireland, and the subsequent war that didn't make a difference in that independence, are probably a good lesson that it is best to let countries do as they wish in that regard.

**Frazzled**

d-usa wrote:
I think the independence of the Republic of Ireland, and the subsequent war that didn't make a difference in that independence, are probably a good lesson that it is best to let countries do as they wish in that regard.

The ACW says otherwise.

**Medium of Death**

What's the Arts Council of Wales got to do with this Frazz?

**Frazzled**

Medium of Death wrote:
What's the Arts Council of Wales got to do with this Frazz?

Because if you

with the Arts Council of Wales you

with the Best! Wales Hurr!!!*

*(ACW=American Civil War)

**d-usa**

Frazzled wrote:
d-usa wrote:
I think the independence of the Republic of Ireland, and the subsequent war that didn't make a difference in that independence, are probably a good lesson that it is best to let countries do as they wish in that regard.

The ACW says otherwise.

What happens in another country, operating under different rules, in a different century, doesn't really matter.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Frazzled wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:
Was at the Yes rally in George Square today.

Fantastic time, friendly crowds and great atmosphere. Enjoyed waving my DIY flag although after around 6 hours my arms are pretty tired.

Some Unionists tried to disrupt the music at the front by jumping into the performance area with their Union Jacks and interrupting the musicians. They played on and the police took them away. They came back later and stood outside the Glasgow City Chambers and were met with a larger crowd of Yes supporters waving the flags across the road. These weren't just No Voters but SDL/BNP types. Complete morons out looking for a fight. Nobody was biting from Yes.

Made a new English pal at the rally, he's just recently up in Glasgow and we had a good chinwag. And they say Yes is full of anti-English bullies.

Good times. Roll on result friday!

Enjoy it while you can. If its yes the recession will come shortly for you. Hope you like unemployment.

Here's the hard facts:
Scotland has 4mm people
What industry do you have exactly because sheep ranching? Seriously. How much of that is tied to the North Sea? How much do you think Britain will allow you to keep if you do split?

Seriously if I were PM. The moment the balance said yes I'd declare oops sorry didn't count with a "my bad, just kidding." If I were Queen I'd tell Scotland to toss off, you aint leaving da party you hairy haggis eater. Now rub my feet!
Frazz, when your countrymen broke away 250 years ago, the American economy hit rock bottom after the war. This is something I have no doubt you probably know. But despite the hardship, I can 100% guarantee, that nobody ever thought about rolling up the white flag and asking London to take them back. Sometimes it's not about the economy.

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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Co'tor Shas wrote:
Texas has no loophole to leave. That's completely made up. It can, however, split into five states at any time.

Thats not correct actually.

However, the court case of Lee vs. Grant (writ denied) held that once you join this thing of ours, you don't leave.

I don't see why Britain is allowing this. I don't see other countries doing so. Thats why they have troops.

It's called "Democracy". As an American, perhaps you have heard of it?

Again, you didn't employ democracy in Ireland now did you boyo.

Yes we did. Ever heard of the Good Friday Agreement? Instead of continuing the conflict, we bowed to the demands of terrorists and permitted them to participate in a democratic process for the sake of peace. There are now former terrorists in government in Belfast.all it t takes for a United Ireland is a referendum like what Scotland is doing today.

Just what the hell do you suggest we do with Scotland? March in the Army, close the polling stations and impose a curfew? We're "allowing" this, because as a democracy we HAVE to.

To the Scots credit, the Scottish Nationalism movement has never been violent like Ireland.

**Medium of Death**

Not allowing it would have just caused violence to fester and then bubble to the surface.

EDIT

We only need to use a wee wax pencil. There's no need for violence and it's almost completely incomparable to any struggle for independence that history has seen.

**reds8n**

.. and if it does go independent then we'll just wait for the USA to do their usual thing
when confronted by a hard left governed country with oil supplies

**Sir Arun**

Well...what would have happened if the north hadn't fought against the South in the ACW?

From what I remember it wasnt the South that declared war first.

Perhaps the Confederate States would have abolished slavery later...much later, perhaps. Or there might have been a revolution.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

reds8n wrote:
.. and if it does go independent then we'll just wait for the USA to do their usual thing
when confronted by a hard left governed country with oil supplies

I look forward to the Scottish Recvolutionary war against their American oppressors. We Brits/English would then get to play the part of the French, supporting a revolution against our age old rivals. The irony is delicious.

**Frazzled**

reds8n wrote:
.. and if it does go independent then we'll just wait for the USA to do their usual thing
when confronted by a hard left governed country with oil supplies

Recent capex to the Battleship Texas and fast attack carrier Lexington memorials. Coincidence?
Soo...just asking....do you Scots have any functioning aircraft carriers....NO? excellent...why am I asking? no reason...

**d-usa**

I think if anybody has perfected the art of loosing countries and colonies it is the UK, so I think all us American posters should just defer to their expertise and welcome another member to the "Club of Ex-wifes".

**Co'tor Shas**

Let's just annex Scotland, I'm sure they won't mind.

**Frazzled**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Let's just annex Scotland, I'm sure they won't mind.

Sounds like a plan. Hey they don't have a military or a Second Amendment. Texas senses weakness. Texas challenges! TO WARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

Hey as our founder once said:
"Their defenses are broken. let the slaughter begin!"
-Megatron, American patriot.