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Orlanth wrote: Howe long until Quebec can have another referendum, there is a clock IIRC.
Quebec won't be making any noise until 2018 as the Liberals gained a majority during the provincial elections a few months past. Note too that the PQ suffered a historic trouncing and were bumped to near non-existent "can make minor noise in the back row" levels in the provincial legislature.
Quebec won't ever separate either, especially since their actual plans for independence stop at "F-you Canada, we're a country!"
Unlike Scotland which at least has some foundations for their own independent, self sustaining economy through oil & scotch production, (among other mainsteam business), Quebec has... maple syrup! Aaaaaand, nothing really.
They're a 'Have-Not' status province and are only kept afloat by the dollars Ottawa subsidises them through equalisation payments. (mind you, Ontario is Don't bypass the language filter like this. Reds8n ) A large percentage of their power generation is through federal treaties with Aboriginal peoples - in the event of separation, those lands remain federal.
I suppose if Trudurp were to ever somehow bungle his way into the PM's office he'd probably ensure Quebec could choose to leave confederation and keep all the perks of being Canadian... but then the rest of the country would toss him in short order for such stupidity.
Quebec is really like that whiney little brother. Most of 'em are happy to keep the status quo, except for the very vocal minority kicking up a constant tantrum in the corner.
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Co'tor Shas wrote: I wonder what they would use as currency considering they can't use the pound.
The Buckfast.
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kamakazepanda wrote: Just for anyone saying the Scottish economy is solely based on oil.
Consider that Scotland has 8.3% of the UK population
32% of the land area. 61% of the sea area. 90% of the fresh water. 65% of the natural gas production. 96.5% of the crude oil production. 47% of the open cast coal production 81% of the untapped coal reserves 62% of the timber production 46% of the total forest area 92% of the hydro electric production 40% of the wind wave and solar energy production 60% of the fish landings 30% of the beef herd 20% of the sheep herd 9% of the dairy herd 10% of the pig herd 15% of the cereal holdings 20% of the potato holdings ...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whisky industry.
17 billion pound construction industry 13 billion food and drink industry 10 billion business services industry 9.3 billion chemical services industry A 9.3 billion tourism industry 7 billion financial services industry 5 billion aeroservice industry 4.5 billion pound whisky exports industry 3.1 billion pound life sciences industry Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports 25% of Europe's wave and wind energy potential.
A couple of good Tornado sorties could fix that. Come on Queenie don't wuss out on me now.
oh and those numbers look criminally suspect in every area I have any info on. What exactly is "aeorservice" and "chemical services" Where are the hydrocarbons located?
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Co'tor Shas wrote: I wonder what they would use as currency considering they can't use the pound.
The Buckfast.
Wasn't the scottish currency called the groat?
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I was woken up by a thunderstorm and have been watching the BBC live results page.
Currently 54% NO with about half the votes still to come in.
Automatically Appended Next Post: NO needs 566,613 votes to win, according to BBC.
BBC are a bit slow; Scotland has voted to stay in the UK.
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I was woken up by a thunderstorm and have been watching the BBC live results page.
Currently 54% NO with about half the votes still to come in.
Automatically Appended Next Post: NO needs 566,613 votes to win, according to BBC.
BBC are a bit slow; Scotland has voted to stay in the UK.
Really, where did you see that? I haven't seen anything yet.
Also, why is this a simple majority vote rather than a super-majority? Surely something that decides a country's fate should have more of a consensus than 51% to agree. I mean, in America a constitutional amendment has to pass both houses of congress and 3/4 (or possibly 2/3?) of the state legislatures.*
*Not the only way to pass one, but no amendment has ever been passed the other way.
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adzila wrote: The BBC are saying the yes votes are too far behind to be able to win now, even though the votes for the last few areas are being counted
I can't even imagine the emotion on both sides right now.
adzila wrote: The BBC are saying the yes votes are too far behind to be able to win now, even though the votes for the last few areas are being counted
Yeah, after looking around that's what I saw.
The No votes haven't won yet, but the Yes votes can't really win.
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Cant say I agree with one of the so called experts on BBC saying a no vote means the Scotland still has food banks and poverty. They would still be there even if the Yes side had won.
Now comes the difficult part, both sides have to accept the result.
Looking forward to Tommy Sheridan living down his "You have got to be kidding, is this the face of someone who is looking to lose - we will win 60%-40%." comment.
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I was woken up by a thunderstorm and have been watching the BBC live results page.
Currently 54% NO with about half the votes still to come in.
Automatically Appended Next Post: NO needs 566,613 votes to win, according to BBC.
BBC are a bit slow; Scotland has voted to stay in the UK.
CNN says there is still counting...
Yeah, BBC retweeted one of their reporters saying it was over; he probably meant it was what they'd predicted.
That said, with only 6 areas left to declare and 22 out of the 26 already declared voting in favour of staying in the UK, chances are slim that an independent Scotland will emerge. Current percentages are 54 to 46 in favour of staying in the UK with over 60% of the votes counted. Unless Fife, Edinburgh, and Aberdeenshire vote yes by a heavy margin then even a close yes or no won't win them independence, with a 50/50 split only giving them about 600,000 votes out of the 720,000 they need to win.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
The people have spoken and I sincerely hope that this is the best for you all. We (Americans) have the utmost respect for you and the courage it takes to even attempt this.
While they are singing "what a friend we have in the greater good", we are bringing the pain!
There will have to be constitutional change in the UK. More devolution has already been promised to Scotland and will need sorting out, plus, what that does to affect the mood of the English electorate.
Just glad its all over, I can finally relax.. its been causing me to be distracted and rant over some of the actions of the campaign for weeks. Wasn't doing me any good at all.
Very glad they chose to stay.
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Now comes the difficult part, both sides have to accept the result.
IMO, big picture, I think that this vote SHOULD sort of "open" the eyes of the people in London/Parliament that not everything is peachy keen. That there are some out there who are deeply inhappy with perceived or real injustices.
While I am not naive to think that this will "fix" the problems that Scotland had that led to them wanting this vote, I do hope that more people will be amenable to policies that help, and also treat the Scots with deserved respect.
Glad they chose to stay with us. Still, I don't think that the passions that have been running so high will just accept this. I reckon there will be trouble later on.
There does need to be some sort of reform. Maybe this referendum was the only way to deliver that wake up call. Things can't go on as they are.
I ended up voting Yes yesterday, and at the time I assumed it would be a No result anyway and I wasn't too fussed, just making my voice heard and all that.
Now when I wake up to a reality of the No result part of me feels gutted, like an opportunity was missed. I hope this spurs UK wide change and devolution, but I can't see it coming particularly fast or it being implemented fairly.
I think there's going to be a lot of disillusionment with the Yes side which is sad. Doubt we'll have such a turn out again for any other political decision.
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