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Branden wrote:
I was playing a Warhammer Fantasy game. The opponent cast a spell on me and said I had to roll 28 initiative tests on a unit or they die because of a spell. I roll them, 19 guys die. He said he actually said 8, but forced me to keep the rolls. When I said no he came to my side of the table and started removing my models for me.

Yea what he did was perfectly fine.

Oh wait, no it wasn't it was insane and weird. Did you really think anyone would see it as okay?

I've known some of the people I game against for 25 years. I would never touch a mini of theirs without permission.

This person bullied you and abused your possessions and should be reported to the store owners/event organizers and sanctioned by them.

Jesus H... 'threw them in the box'... I'd have raised caine over this.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I never heard the term "dock" before, so googled "docking". I should not have done that.

Where does the term originate from?

Oh wow. That just made my day thank you very much


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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I've known some of the people I game against for 25 years. I would never touch a mini of theirs without permission.

This person bullied you and abused your possessions and should be reported to the store owners/event organizers and sanctioned by them.

Jesus H... 'threw them in the box'... I'd have raised caine over this.

I had seen a kid at a local shop tournment lose a game very badly, then he reached into his bag and grabbed 2 cans of spray paint thinner and drenched the whole table and the guys army. He got the ever loving bejesus beat out of him by 4 guys(the guy he played at his 3 friends). When the police showed no one saw anything happen, "he came in that way"

I find it strange that OP hasn't updated anything yet. An issue like this would have the OP entertaining the comments for a good bit till he/she feels that is has blown over or until enough supportive comments have been showered upon him/her. Not trying to bash on OP but this is sort of a general trend coming up when people seek solace on the internet when they are in the "perceived right" or "majority right" in terms of moral fairness.

Call me a devil's advocate but all I see from OP's story is that an opponent he played with in a tournament supposedly cheats him of some dice rolls (it was a lot of dice rolls) and then proceeds to touch his models when OP reacts.

Although both actions (dice cheating and model touching) are both unsportsmanlike behavior, I am even more curious now than before to know the type of tournament this was, the average age group of said tournament and I think most importantly the age of both players in OP's game

True that age doesn't excuse the actions of OP's opponent but something like this can and should only happen in a kids or younger than adult type of tournament. This supports @namiel's comment. It would be absolutely appalling if this happened in a GT with 20+ yr olds doing this though.

I will take OP's response to his opponent's actions as one of the better ways to handle the problem although I am only hearing his side of the story. For what its worth, OP handled the problem in a much more diplomatic way than most of us would.

The other glaring question is where was the TO when this went down? Most people in any tournament would have definitely called a TO over when this happened. Actually, I would be shouting for a TO to come over and sort it should this have happened in any of my tournament games.

 namiel wrote:

I had seen a kid at a local shop tournment lose a game very badly, then he reached into his bag and grabbed 2 cans of spray paint thinner and drenched the whole table and the guys army. He got the ever loving bejesus beat out of him by 4 guys(the guy he played at his 3 friends). When the police showed no one saw anything happen, "he came in that way"

This never happened. No store would allow aggravated assault to go on within their store, and if this really did happen,t here would have been a lawsuit. His word alone would have been enough to arrest and press charges against all of his attackers regardless if they claimed not to see anything.

And he happened to be carrying paint thinner?

The OP's story is fake, and this story is fake. Time for 'people at tourneys cheat and do extreme things as if they are in a cartoon but never actually happen in real life.'

nkelsch wrote:
The OP's story is fake, and this story is fake. Time for 'people at tourneys cheat and do extreme things as if they are in a cartoon but never actually happen in real life.'

The other story does sound fake just for the incredible preparation of having some spray thinners at hand.
The OP story is crazy enough and I have met people of similar character that it could easily be true (fact can be stranger than fiction).
Try not to dismiss it all with the same brush.

It does at least raise the interesting question of how to correctly handle someone who decides to treat your prized possessions that you spent hours painting with disrespect.
What would be the "right" thing to do?
First instinct is to respond with extreme violence.
I suppose the best method would be to tell the jerk to leave your property alone, if he continues, report him to the store owner.

If the story is true, the OP would be angry that he allowed the bully to walk all over him and could not bring any consequence to him: bad people should be punished, good people should have good things happen to them, there should be justice.

Most likely with the success and satisfaction of messing with this guy, more players will be victimized.
The world is not obligated to be fair.

I like this talk because I am now prepared for how to deal with someone who will do the unthinkable and mess with my man dollies... and I will somehow manage not to be charged with assault and battery.

 Talizvar wrote:

If the story is true, the OP would be angry that he allowed the bully to walk all over him and could not bring any consequence to him: bad people should be punished, good people should have good things happen to them, there should be justice.

That is why Tourneys have TOs and judges. First he had a rule dispute, then a personality dispute, then a physical model dispute, each escalating to the next, all of which were solved by 'stopping' and having a judge or TO intervene.

The simple fact he escalated anything without even attempting to have a judge/TO is a huge red flag, especially since even the worst run events a TO can easily identify a stop in gameplay and an argument from across the room unless they have a social disorder or something.

To the thread in general, as a reminder, comments such as "I would punch him" or anything similar are not acceptable on Dakka... please refrain from making any more such comments in this thread.

As many have already noted, touching other people's models without permission is pretty much a gamer taboo, and the person would be way out of line to remove models from an opponent's unit without their consent. The best way to handle something like this would be to bring it up to the TO / store owner, and it should be resolved extremely quickly.

I must admit... I wouldve snapped on the person for that.

I used to have a player that was in our 40k Friendly group who did stuff close to that.... He was removed from our group pretty quick.

Hopefully that guy gets what is coming to him.


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Just be glad he didnt give you "The hand of God".... ive seen that once in my Local store

 Peregrine wrote:

Branden wrote:
It's your fault you misheard me, it's not my fault.

And right there he's wrong. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, the wrong number of dice were rolled and so the result of those dice is irrelevant. The only acceptable thing to do here is to ignore the incorrect dice, roll the appropriate number, and take the result of that.

(Now, this might be different if you rolled the wrong number and then discovered later, after other stuff had been done, that you removed too many casualties. But that's not the case here.)

I'm going to dock you for that, which means you're keeping those rolls.

This is where he should have been kicked out of the tournament. Threatening to abuse the sportsmanship scoring system to force your opponent to do what you want is TFG behavior (and arguably cheating), and the kind of thing that gets people to never come back to a tournament.

When I said that he came over to my side of the table and started removing my own models and dropped them in my carrying box.

And this is where he should have been permanently banned from the store. You absolutely do NOT touch your opponent's models without permission. If the TO is tolerating that kind of behavior in their event then they shouldn't be running tournaments.

What do you guys think about the whole situation?

Your opponent was TFG. You should have asked the TO to come over and deal with the situation, but your opponent's behavior was clearly way over the line of what is appropriate.

Wait, there's a load of quotes here that aren't in the OP, so I'm assuming it's been changed? Why?

OT though, I agree with this. If this is how things went down, I'd flag the guy with the TO and avoid him like the plague.

nkelsch wrote:

 namiel wrote:

I had seen a kid at a local shop tournment lose a game very badly, then he reached into his bag and grabbed 2 cans of spray paint thinner and drenched the whole table and the guys army. He got the ever loving bejesus beat out of him by 4 guys(the guy he played at his 3 friends). When the police showed no one saw anything happen, "he came in that way"

This never happened. No store would allow aggravated assault to go on within their store, and if this really did happen,t here would have been a lawsuit. His word alone would have been enough to arrest and press charges against all of his attackers regardless if they claimed not to see anything.

And he happened to be carrying paint thinner?

The OP's story is fake, and this story is fake. Time for 'people at tourneys cheat and do extreme things as if they are in a cartoon but never actually happen in real life.'

You're right....I didn't see anything. One person was banned for vandalism of a game table and 4 others were asked to leave.

 liquidjoshi wrote:
Wait, there's a load of quotes here that aren't in the OP, so I'm assuming it's been changed? Why?

1. New poster posts a thread with shocking yet unverifiable and non-specific content. Never returns to thread.

2. Internet tough guy brigade descends on the thread and the consensus is, as it so often is, of course that physical violence is a perfectly reasonable response to someone touching your toys.

3. Some guy takes it too far with a story of heroic and brave mob beatings that even the internet tough guys don't immediately believe.

4. Mod has to step in to remind the kids that violence is, in fact, not cool.


Walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

Branden wrote:
I was playing a Warhammer Fantasy game. The opponent cast a spell on me and said I had to roll 28 initiative tests on a unit or they die because of a spell. I roll them, 19 guys die. He said he actually said 8, but forced me to keep the rolls. When I said no he came to my side of the table and started removing my models for me.

LOL WUT

Branden wrote:
I was playing a Warhammer Fantasy game. The opponent cast a spell on me and said I had to roll 28 initiative tests on a unit or they die because of a spell. I roll them, 19 guys die. He said he actually said 8, but forced me to keep the rolls. When I said no he came to my side of the table and started removing my models for me.

Comical... probably untrue, but a power bomb would be acceptable IMO.

EDITED. Not worth the fight.

I didn't realize we had so many MMA types in this hobby, ready to throw down at the slightest offense.

I have never once had the urge to hit someone because they picked up one of my models. I have asked people to not touch them, usually because they are really, really young. And, generally when people do pick them up it is to hand them to me because my stuff is on the far side of the table.

As for the OP situation, I would not have simply walked away. I would have called the TO over and explained the situation. If, by some strange reason the TO agreed, then the game would have gotten really simple from there on:

Opponent: You need to make 15 saves
Me: Picks up two dice and roll. Oh, I misheard you. I only heard two. I guess only two guys die.

 Thud wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:
Wait, there's a load of quotes here that aren't in the OP, so I'm assuming it's been changed? Why?

1. New poster posts a thread with shocking yet unverifiable and non-specific content. Never returns to thread.

2. Internet tough guy brigade descends on the thread and the consensus is, as it so often is, of course that physical violence is a perfectly reasonable response to someone touching your toys.

3. Some guy takes it too far with a story of heroic and brave mob beatings that even the internet tough guys don't immediately believe.

4. Mod has to step in to remind the kids that violence is, in fact, not cool.


Walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

Alpha Legionnaire. Got it.

At this point does anyone actually believe this really happened? OP hasn't said a word but edited out half his post. Its probably a bored kid looking for attention.

Time, place, date, person, and tournament. Or it didn't happen.

I think this thread has gone about as far as it can go.

As noted by several others above, violence is not an appropriate response in a situation like this, and condoning such a reaction is very much against what Dakka is about.

If there is any reason at all to re-open this thread, please PM me to discuss it... thanks.