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This may finally to the miniatures to act as a stand in for WM/H Steelhead Halbs.

You can do an empire army out of the Wotr models by just using the wacky stuff from GW and the rest Perry. I think it works well enough:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cplhicks/sets/72157629220636695/

I don't really need another box of Men-at-Arms but I'll ge them anyway, hopefully making way quickly for the light cavalry box.

 Alpharius wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:
Hmmm.....wish they were 28mm/heroic scale. Would love to use them for Inquistor crusaders or even Empire. Would look horrible on the table next to Citadel mini's.

Is this really the case?
Because if it is, that's a bummer, and this guy here:

namiel wrote:I just bought a bunch of minatures for my empire.....looks like im going to have a MASSIVE empire infantry army now

might be pretty upset.
Unless he's using ONLY Perry Miniatures for his WFB Empire army?
But that seems hard to do, given all the 'wacky' things you'd also want in an Empire army...

Nah, they mix just fine. Within the same unit, it would look slightly awkward, but within the same army, it looks totally fine. Well other than GW's Empire looks stupid as gak now, with barefoot monkey-faced soldiers, but that's just my personal opinion.

Actually Perry mixes perfectly with 4th/5th/6th edition Empire, because, well, they were sculpted by the Perry brothers as well.

Edit: as Saphos just proved!

Or if you buy those new kits, just remove the human figures involved and use Perry figures as replacement, I guess?

Saphos wrote:
You can do an empire army out of the Wotr models by just using the wacky stuff from GW and the rest Perry. I think it works well enough:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cplhicks/sets/72157629220636695/

I don't really need another box of Men-at-Arms but I'll ge them anyway, hopefully making way quickly for the light cavalry box.

Thanks for those pics!

I think the Perry stuff will work quite well with the more 'fantastical' GW stuff - this is (no kidding)...great news!

Or you can play Kings of War if you're not really into that weird gak vehicles.

I do admit to really liking the new Karl on Griffon though - I love it!

I really like the two-headed version too!

 heartserenade wrote:
Or you can play Kings of War if you're not really into that weird gak vehicles.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

I do admit that some of the old and new Empire kits do tempt me. The Demigryph Knights are amazing and i've always been tempted to buy an Empire Free company and the plastic Wizard box. But knowing that they come in heroic proportions is an automatic turn off for me.

If Perry made a fantasy range in metal and plastic... I'd gak my pants out of joy.

 heartserenade wrote:
I do admit that some of the old and new Empire kits do tempt me. The Demigryph Knights are amazing and i've always been tempted to buy an Empire Free company and the plastic Wizard box. But knowing that they come in heroic proportions is an automatic turn off for me.

If Perry made a fantasy range in metal and plastic... I'd gak my pants out of joy.

The old plastic 5th/6th multipart Empire Soldiers are less heroic. Actually I've got about a hundred of them to sell if you're interested

 judgedoug wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
I do admit that some of the old and new Empire kits do tempt me. The Demigryph Knights are amazing and i've always been tempted to buy an Empire Free company and the plastic Wizard box. But knowing that they come in heroic proportions is an automatic turn off for me.

If Perry made a fantasy range in metal and plastic... I'd gak my pants out of joy.

The old plastic 5th/6th multipart Empire Soldiers are less heroic. Actually I've got about a hundred of them to sell if you're interested

I might be too!

PM with details/pics if you've got them - thanks!

Nah I'm good, thanks. I like how Perry minis look for my infantry. i'm more interested with Wizards and heroes .

If I wan't already bogged down in other scales and time periods, I'd seriously consider doing some Westeros 28mm gaming using Perry Minis.

Kit looks great, but that's par for course with Perry Miniatures!

~iPaint

If you base up your models for the standard (non-GW Warhammer Historical) base dimensions, you will be able to use the same army for historical and fantasy rules.

Finally, some Mantic Basilean Men-at-arms that *don't* look hideous.

I will be buying 200 of these and trying to give or trade away the crappy ones I have.

You can always use those Basileans as casualties of war. Or mutilate them into zombies.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Finally, some Mantic Basilean Men-at-arms that *don't* look hideous.

I will be buying 200 of these and trying to give or trade away the crappy ones I have.

You should have gotten your money back from Mantic, mate...

Oh, I forgot to post this: the command sprue lets you make your own Richard III if you desire.

That is amazing..

Glad to see that these will finally be surfacing! And, looks like they won't disappoint. I already have a collection of Perry's metal Men-at-Arms and they are fantastic little miniatures, I'm sure these will complement those nicely.

If anyone wants to use these miniatures in a historical game and for their intended purpose, but isn't too sure where to start, I would thoroughly recommend Peter Pig's 'Bloody Barons', which is a set of rules for the War of the Roses. (Scroll down to number 23 on this page: http://www.peterpig.co.uk/rules.htm )

Wonderfully characterful rules, great fun, and not too complex. The rules are intended for 15mm, but there are notes in the book for 28mm use and it still works well at this scale.

Other rule sets I have had recommended to me are Terry Gore's Medievil Warfare, or of course Hail Caesar (although both of these are generic systems, so don't benefit from the focused aspect of Bloody Barons).

I'd actually recommend Kings of War: there's a fanmade medieval version available for free if you guys want to check it out.

http://www.hourofwolves.org/?view=articles&which=KingsOfWarHistoricalAncientCombat

 heartserenade wrote:
I'd actually recommend Kings of War: there's a fanmade medieval version available for free if you guys want to check it out.

http://www.hourofwolves.org/?view=articles&which=KingsOfWarHistoricalAncientCombat

Seconded, although if using the fall of rome rules adjust the legionary stats, they are too powerful in defensive stats.

 heartserenade wrote:
I'd actually recommend Kings of War: there's a fanmade medieval version available for free if you guys want to check it out.

http://www.hourofwolves.org/?view=articles&which=KingsOfWarHistoricalAncientCombat

Those look absolutely great. Wonderful that fans are making this kind of effort with the KoW ruleset, and good on Mantic for letting them go ahead with it. These rules look flexible for different periods in the way that something like Hail Caesar or Medievil Warfare would be.

KoW and Bloody Barons are very different games. The former is much faster (and flowing), larger game sizes etc. Bloody Barons is great for history nerds, involving the actual commanders who fought (and changed sides, haha) in the War of the Roses and who have the actual units that took part in the battles. So, I think it probably depends on what type of game you want to play.

If you really want to go full hog with historical detail and accuracy, there is a game (free to download) called Perfect Captain. One for those who have read numerous books on WoTR I think. I haven't tried it, but people playing the game in the AARs you read always seem to be having fun..
http://perfectcaptain.50megs.com/request.html

Anyway, hope all of this will be of use to people coming from the WFB stable who might want more of an option than "I can use those for Bretonnians" (who in my experience are probably closet historical players, and just don't know it yet! )

Actually for Brettonians I would recommend the Templar/Teutonic orders of Fireforge games: they have more cloth in their horses and knights to put family crests.

Just got my 'shipped' email for the plastic men-at-arms, very excited about these will post some pics and comments as and when they arrive!

Yep got my shipped aswell today, looking forward to getting the plastic goodness.

I wonder if they will update their WotR army deals to include them (as opposed to an add-on). Actually, did their Hosts used to be Post-free, because they aren't now (any more?) That's the only thing stopping me from ordering them direct - the antiquated "add 12/17/25% of the order cost" for postage that they still use. - If I order £200 worth of stuff, I'm not paying another £50 for shipping. Use some of that £40 pounds of VAT that you're charging and not paying to the government to pay for it.

Email them and ask if you can get a postage discount for larger orders, worst they Can say is no.

If I wasn't already making samurai for the Kings of War kingdoms of men list these would be my second choice.

Nah, I'll just order from Fireforge et al with a discount and free shipping. They're smart guys, they can figure it out themselves without me going heavy-handed on them. Warlord does free shipping for orders over 50 quid and are all GW-alumni with a history in historicals going way back, so it's not exactly rocket surgery...

Saying will you give me cheaper shipping is hardly heavy handed and if it allows you to get the minitures you want even better.

The fireforge models are very nice though. I have a few mounted teutonics my girlfriend is using for her basellian army.

 frozenwastes wrote:
As long as you don't try to cover every culture or nation, that's actually doable. The key is to not get bogged down in minutia and pick miniatures that work for a wide array of times. Like for the dark ages you can have warriors with spear and round shields and simple clothes and helmets cover like 600 years. With only around 5000 years to cover, you could probably do less than a dozen armies. When you get to the 20th century, there's nothing stopping you from picking forces that didn't change their uniforms and weapons much. African militia with AK47s can span 40 years or more, for example.

Heck a couple of naked guys with spears can cover pre history up to modern Brazil and Papua New Guinea