Necron's 7th Edition Book. What Are You Hoping For?

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**adamsouza**

I'd be happy with a specialist. No need for a heavy weapon, just something with slightly better AP than Gauss.

Gauss Flenser - S4 AP3 Rapid Fire, Gauss, Fleshbane

**changemod**

adamsouza wrote:
I'd be happy with a specialist. No need for a heavy weapon, just something with slightly better AP than Gauss.

Gauss Flenser - S4 AP3 Rapid Fire, Gauss, Fleshbane

Seems a little over the top. How about S5 AP3 salvo 2/3?

**IHateNids**

Because we don't have any shortage of s5 ap3 weaponry

Fleshbane gives us an answer to wraith constructs & Tyranid monsters that aren't already in the sights of the nerfhammer

**KurtAngle2**

adamsouza wrote:
I'd be happy with a specialist. No need for a heavy weapon, just something with slightly better AP than Gauss.

Gauss Flenser - S4 AP3 Rapid Fire, Gauss, Fleshbane

Ahahahahahahahahahahah

NO

**vipoid**

adamsouza wrote:
I'd be happy with a specialist. No need for a heavy weapon, just something with slightly better AP than Gauss.

Gauss Flenser - S4 AP3 Rapid Fire, Gauss, Fleshbane

Honestly, I just don't rate AP3. I've never had that much of an issue killing marines.

IHateNids wrote:
Fleshbane gives us an answer to wraith constructs & Tyranid monsters that aren't already in the sights of the nerfhammer

My concern is that many of the MCs I fear have 2+ saves. Even with Fleshbane, you'd be lucky to scratch them

**IHateNids**

we definitely need more AP2, theres no denying that

**changemod**

There's not a Tyranid Monstrous Creature on the ground who can survive Charnel Scarabs, if you're not opposed to running Maynark.

I didn't realise how good they would be there until I did the following:

A Melee Carnifex was smashing up my Acanthrites. Miscalculation there, didn't realise it would have S10.

Hive Tyrant charged the Acanthrites to clean them up quicker.

My Charnel Scarabs Charge in next turn.

High initiative Hive Tyrant kills the last Acanthrite.

Charnel Scarabs churn out six rends. Carnifex loses last wound then the Tyrant is swallowed whole.

Trygon shows up out of deep strike.

Charnel charge across the board and eat the Trygon.

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IHateNids wrote:
we definitely need more AP2, theres no denying that

We have plenty!

You just need to get in Melee to utilise it.

**IHateNids**

We have Warscythes, that's it

And Necrons generally don't want to be in melee at all, yet alone as a method of dealing with the big monsters

Perhaps I should have specified: we need more ap2 shooting

**changemod**

IHateNids wrote:
We have Warscythes, that's it

Lots of people underestimate rending. Oh, and Spyders.

Drones, drones are your Melee section. If you bring the Forge World ones in, you have six (seven with Maynark) drone types, only one of which can't bypass 2+ saves.

And Necrons generally don't want to be in melee at all, yet alone as a method of dealing with the big monsters

With the standard playstyle, maybe.

Perhaps I should have specified: we need more ap2 shooting

I'm cool with what we have, for the most part. A vehicle heavy list will struggle to kill monstrous creatures, but we have plenty of tools for it. And if it's just Terminators, massed fire isn't too bad. Those things are expensive.

**vipoid**

changemod wrote:
IHateNids wrote:
We have Warscythes, that's it

Lots of people underestimate rending. Oh, and Spyders.

Perhaps lots of people are using the Necron book, not the Imperial Armour book (or whatever those Rending scarabs are in).

changemod wrote:

Drones, drones are your Melee section.

Page reference in the Necron book, please.

**IHateNids**

It's another of the FW units

IA12 does have some nice tricks in it, but I don't think many of my FLGS would like fighting a full army of FW rules

**changemod**

vipoid wrote:
changemod wrote:
IHateNids wrote:
We have Warscythes, that's it

Lots of people underestimate rending. Oh, and Spyders.

Perhaps lots of people are using the Necron book, not the Imperial Armour book (or whatever those Rending scarabs are in).

Wraiths, dude. Strength 6 rending. And again, Spyders.

Scarabs aren't too bad at doing a bit of handy assault phase contribution either if you pick targets like Devastators. But that one is quite a bit less relevant to the Monstrous Creatures discussion.

changemod wrote:

Drones, drones are your Melee section.

Page reference in the Necron book, please.

I'm sure you can find the drone pages yourself. All three are right next to one another.

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IHateNids wrote:
It's another of the FW units

IA12 does have some nice tricks in it, but I don't think many of my FLGS would like fighting a full army of FW rules

If you already have it, see how they feel about you running one or two things. There's fun options in there, a lot of them aren't that hard to convert, and none of them are more broken than Tesla Destructor Spam.

Maybe don't run a large or farmed Charnel unit if you're trying to convince them forge world isn't high powered though. These things can be crazy. Anything else is more or less the same power level as it's equivalent points in main codex stuff.

**vipoid**

changemod wrote:

Wraiths, dude. Strength 6 rending.

I'd forgotten about Wraiths.

Though, I wouldn't expect them to retain their current power in our next book.

changemod wrote:
And again, Spyders.

Only if they get there. 6" movement means most enemies can just avoid them.

changemod wrote:
I'm sure you can find the drone pages yourself. All three are right next to one another.

My book must be different, because I cannot find an entry for Drones - either next to the above or elsewhere.

**changemod**

vipoid wrote:
changemod wrote:

Wraiths, dude. Strength 6 rending.

I'd forgotten about Wraiths.

Though, I wouldn't expect them to retain their current power in our next book.

I'd be surprised if they didn't, actually. They're not the top of their class (that'd be Thunderwolves) and we don't have a lot in the core of our list.

They might take a minor hit to sell buffed Destroyers in the same slot, but otherwise they're probably safe.

changemod wrote:
And again, Spyders.

Only if they get there. 6" movement means most enemies can just avoid them.

Yeah, you need to commit to a scarab farm to get the best out of them.

I take Particle Beamers. They can contribute more than just Scarab farming on the way across the board, and obliterate a lot of deep strikers with their shoot and assault. Not very good against Storm Shields though.

My book must be different, because I cannot find an entry for Drones - either next to the above or elsewhere.

...Canoptek drones. Wraiths, Scarabs and Spyders. The automated robots who didn't use to be people.

**vipoid**

changemod wrote:

...Canoptek drones. Wraiths, Scarabs and Spyders. The automated robots who didn't use to be people.

Nope.

...Destroyers, Wraiths, Scarabs, Spyders, Monoliths...

**skoffs**

Ahhhh, so when he says "Drones" he means "Canoptek"
Don't know why he didn't just say that from the beginning instead of using misleading terminology (when most people say "drones" in 40k, the first thing to come to mind is Tau).

**IHateNids**

^That^

Although I did actually think of the FW Arcanthrites, which I do actually quite like & will pic up eventually

**changemod**

skoffs wrote:
Ahhhh, so when he says "Drones" he means "Canoptek"
Don't know why he didn't just say that from the beginning instead of using misleading terminology (when most people say "drones" in 40k, the first thing to come to mind is Tau).

...What's misleading? They're literally drones. That's the terminology that distinguishes them from the sentient robo-skeletons and non-robotic machines in the army list.

Yes, they're specifically Canoptek Drones, but it seems odd I would need to type that out in full every time.

Honestly I was under the impression I was passive aggressively being asked to point out where in the army book it said they were good in melee.

**vipoid**

changemod wrote:
...What's misleading? They're literally drones. That's the terminology that distinguishes them from the sentient robo-skeletons and non-robotic machines in the army list.

Yes, they're specifically Canoptek Drones, but it seems odd I would need to type that out in full every time.

Honestly I was under the impression I was passive aggressively being asked to point out where in the army book it said they were good in melee.

No, I'm asking you to point out where I can find them in the sodding Necron codex.

Or, are they in some supplement or FW book?

**IHateNids**

He just means the Canoptek constructs

Wraiths Scarabs & Spyders

Fast, Fast & Heavy respectively

**vipoid**

IHateNids wrote:
He just means the Canoptek constructs

Wraiths Scarabs & Spyders

Fast, Fast & Heavy respectively

Ah, I see.

Him talking about Canoptek Drones confused me, because it sounds like a specific unit.

**IHateNids**

It does indeed

And to be fair, small AI-driven floating gun platforms sounds like exactly the kind of thing Necrons would do

**Desubot**

IHateNids wrote:
It does indeed

And to be fair, small AI-driven floating gun platforms sounds like exactly the kind of thing Necrons would do

Necrons sound like Tau?

**IHateNids**

No, point defence turrets for the tomb worlds sounds like the type of thing they'd do

Just so happens that that sounds like tau

**skoffs**

changemod wrote:
skoffs wrote:
Ahhhh, so when he says "Drones" he means "Canoptek"
Don't know why he didn't just say that from the beginning instead of using misleading terminology (when most people say "drones" in 40k, the first thing to come to mind is Tau).

...What's misleading? They're literally drones. That's the terminology that distinguishes them from the sentient robo-skeletons and non-robotic machines in the army list.

Yes, they're specifically Canoptek Drones, but it seems odd I would need to type that out in full every time.

Honestly I was under the impression I was passive aggressively being asked to point out where in the army book it said they were good in melee.

The majority of players refer to them as "Canopteks" or "Canoptek units" because that is what they are called in the codex.
No one calls them "Drones" because they are not called drones.

**changemod**

skoffs wrote:
The majority of players refer to them as "Canopteks" or "Canoptek units" because that is what they are called in the codex.
No one calls them "Drones" because they are not called drones.

They are drones. There's nothing misleading about using the meaning of a word just because there's another type of drone in a completely different codex.

Frankly I'd normally, at least face to face, avoid using the term Canoptek in case my opponent hadn't read the codex in enough detail to remember the barely used word. Avoids confusion the other way. Generally I could expect any non-Necron player to know what a drone is but not necessarily know obscure Necron terminology.

**adamsouza**

Considering this is a thread of Necron players, calling them drones apparently lead to more confusion than refering to them by the in game name.

It roughly the equivalent of refering to Necrons as Terminators, since non 40K players would likely refer to endoskeleton robots as such, but generate confusion amongst 40K players who associate Termiantors with Space Marine Tactical Dreadnaught Armor.

**changemod**

adamsouza wrote:
It roughly the equivalent of refering to Necrons as Terminators, since non 40K players would likely refer to endoskeleton robots as such, but generate confusion amongst 40K players who associate Termiantors with Space Marine Tactical Dreadnaught Armor.

Not even slightly relevant, to be honest. This is more like someone failing to understand the word "Scout" wasn't referring to Space Marine scouts in a thread about an unrelated faction.

**DarkLink**

changemod wrote:
skoffs wrote:
The majority of players refer to them as "Canopteks" or "Canoptek units" because that is what they are called in the codex.
No one calls them "Drones" because they are not called drones.

They are drones. There's nothing misleading about using the meaning of a word just because there's another type of drone in a completely different codex.

Frankly I'd normally, at least face to face, avoid using the term Canoptek in case my opponent hadn't read the codex in enough detail to remember the barely used word. Avoids confusion the other way. Generally I could expect any non-Necron player to know what a drone is but not necessarily know obscure Necron terminology.

Well, considering how many people here are utterly confused by your terminology, I'd say your strategy of avoiding confusing people is working great.

**JuniorRS13**

Very new to necrons here, only glimpsed through current codex once, but I was curious on how the necrons data cards would work. As necrons have no physkers, I wonder what sort of game mechanic they would receive in place of that, if at all. Maybe something like the DE power from pain?