Necron's 7th Edition Book. What Are You Hoping For?

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**Desubot**

changemod wrote:
The gimmick of the monolith is it being slow and near-invulnerable. It's only the first of those right now, and nearly any army being able to pop it in one turn is what makes it such a joke.

90% sure the original monolith was Melta immune anyhow.

and was the only vehicle necron had..

Its pretty dumb when you nullify 90% of everyones anti tank by purchasing a tank.. it should just have a decent invul like 4+ and you can always bubble wrap to deal with drop pods..

**blaktoof**

Monolith will be buffed (probably via Living metal and becoming 5 HPs), points wont change.

AB will go up in cost

triarch stalker will go down and cost, and be purchaseable in units of 1-3

lychguard will get a buff

triarch praetorians will still be bad

CCB will be 'clarified' somehow in rules which will reduce its power.

wraiths will either lose their whipcoils altogether or it will change to reroll of 1s to hit in assault.

tesla will not arc on snapshots

Flayed ones will be troops, will go down in cost, gain MTC and scout/stealth.

SCs will remain, since they have models.

Imotekh will be LoW.

Flyers will lose quantum shielding- points remain the same.

Most units go down in cost.

tomb blades go up in unit max size, and drop to 15pts per model base.

Destroyers standard gun will go to Str5-ap2-assault3

**changemod**

Looks awful to transport, but I like the look of it and the two times I proxied my Pylon conversion as one it was fun to play around with the gate.

Honestly it's Gauss guns are only minor harassment unlikely to mean anything, so you're pretty much paying to gate or fire a single pieplate, making it a utility device reliant on the durability it doesn't have.

...Actually, a Lord of War Monolith would be pretty cool. Not gonna happen, but if it had superheavy durability and some other beefed up gimmicks it'd be a cool centrepiece like it used to be, or like the Obelisk could have been if it had AV 14 and a main weapon that wasn't incapable of touching almost all targets.

**skoffs**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
skoffs wrote:
Give him a break, guys. He's probably new so doesn't know you're supposed to focus on/wipe the entire unit/force them to retreat to nullify RP.

Hardly "new", the thing is that until you overkill a Necron unit it's still potentially a threat . If you shoot at 5 Hammernators and kill 4 of them, the last one can probably be safely ignored, as he's probably not a threat. Meanwhile, leaving even a single Necron Warrior standing from a unit could potentially mean that you've barely dented the firepower, forcing you to either spend additional, overkilling firepower to kill one Warrior or to let it live and risk having a threat left on the board.

In a sense, it's Schrödinger's Necron; you don't know how dangerous it is until you've checked the results of the reanimation protocols roll. You also only ever need to pass one roll, which I suppose is balanced out by it getting to roll if the unit is wiped.

You'll note that I'm not passive-aggressively attacking your credibility, so I'd very much prefer if you showed me the same courtesy.

Uhh, yeah, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the guy who started this particular ball rolling with this comment:

e.earnshaw wrote:
I understand how resurrection protocols are funny in cases and fit the army but maybe a rule like
"damage limitation-there is limit to how far a necron can be damaged to repair only to find that doing so cripples it more
as of such any necron model may only use resurrection protocols twice."
or
"Lasting damage- as damage in combat builds up necrons find it harder and harder to repair damage before they phase out
after the first time a model resurrects on a 5+ after that it does so on a 6+.

I only say this because it can get really annoying in a game when some nubey player, new to the hobby, no grasp of tactics. Is wining because I have to kill his squads three times before they stay dead.
Just my opinion but here is imbalances then there is invincible units.

**krodarklorr**

So, guys, Necron leaks. The Codex is less than 2 weeks away, and it appears as though they're keeping the same general feel to the army, yet making it a bit more fluffy in my opinion. What do you guys think?

**adamsouza**

If the leaks being reported, so far, are true the only nerf to Necrons is Tesla not getting additional hits while snap firing. While I don't feel it was a needed adjustment, it won't be game breaking. I think it just lead to less ABs on the board and more Scythes, and maybe more Immortals armed with Guass instead of Tesla.

**Alcibiades**

The obvious solution is to make the Momolith a superheavy.

**vipoid**

I really hope not.

**Alcibiades**

Triarch Praetorians perform mathematically very close to Wraiths in most circumstances -- the problem is not them "sucking" but in Wraiths being slightly superior and peforming the same role.

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vipoid wrote:
I really hope not.

Why not? Won't the main in-game effect be removal of the possibility of being one-shotted by melta weapons? What am I missing?

**Kangodo**

krodarklorr wrote:
So, guys, Necron leaks. The Codex is less than 2 weeks away, and it appears as though they're keeping the same general feel to the army, yet making it a bit more fluffy in my opinion. What do you guys think?

I like the information so far.
But a lot of it requires some confirmation.

Alcibiades wrote:
Triarch Praetorians perform mathematically very close to Wraiths in most circumstances -- the problem is not them "sucking" but in Wraiths being slightly superior and peforming the same role.

Slightly?
Pointcost, etc:
+Wraiths are 12.5% cheaper
-Slot doesn't matter, since we hardly fill either of them at the moment.

Toughness:
-Wraiths have a toughness less.
-Praetorians have RP.
+Wraiths have a 3++
+Wraiths have two wounds

Attack:
+Wraiths have +1S
+Wraiths have 2 attacks more (1 more because Praetorians have a pistol)
-Praetorians have a shooting attack at S6
-Praetorians have Entropic Strike

It's the toughness per point of Wraiths that put them really ahead of Praetorians at the moment.

**Alcibiades**

Kangodo wrote:
krodarklorr wrote:
So, guys, Necron leaks. The Codex is less than 2 weeks away, and it appears as though they're keeping the same general feel to the army, yet making it a bit more fluffy in my opinion. What do you guys think?

I like the information so far.
But a lot of it requires some confirmation.

Alcibiades wrote:
Triarch Praetorians perform mathematically very close to Wraiths in most circumstances -- the problem is not them "sucking" but in Wraiths being slightly superior and peforming the same role.

Slightly?
Pointcost, etc:
+Wraiths are 12.5% cheaper
-Slot doesn't matter, since we hardly fill either of them at the moment.

Toughness:
-Wraiths have a toughness less.
-Praetorians have RP.
+Wraiths have a 3++
+Wraiths have two wounds

Attack:
+Wraiths have +1S
+Wraiths have 2 attacks more (1 more because Praetorians have a pistol)
-Praetorians have a shooting attack at S6
-Praetorians have Entropic Strike

It's the toughness per point of Wraiths that put them really ahead of Praetorians at the moment.

And if you do the math you will see that in most circumstances they function very similarly (in terms of durability and damage output). This is especially the case with the particle caster + voidblade variant. The rod of covenant version is different because it hits infantry very hard, but after the initial charge this drops off considerably.

Technically Praetorians are more resistant to small arms and Wraiths to high-AP weapons, but the difference is not large.