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So were moving the story forward but turning the game back to herohammer.
This sounds to me like some account looked at the figures for warhammer and decided that the time period of 6th 7th was when they took the most and told the design team make it so.
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
The background changes are interesting, but I can't see myself paying for the book at those prices.
Nagash is too big and unwieldy, he's not a practical gaming piece. Same issue as the Warmachine/Hordes colossals - too difficult to store, too goofy to put on display.
I'd rather have a well sculpted and characterful 28mm miniature than a ginormous plastic monstrousity like that.
Very technically impressive though, it has to be said.
unmercifulconker wrote: I need a game or movie showcasing The End Times. Its getting too badass, cant wait to read more.
On a slight fluff note, can Nagash control a vampire the way a necromancer would a skeleton? Or are the majority of vampires simply joining Nagash because its Nagash?
Vampires have served Nagash in the past - the Nagash trilogy and Blood of Nagash books go into this at some length - its usually via coercion as he wants to completely eliminate their food supply and also given the ego's of pretty much all Vamps they don't like serving!
The only Vamps that really serve him willingly are Necrarchs and that because they want the same thing. Neferata has avoided direct control for much of her existence and has fought against his forces directly - usually losing. She gave Nagash a Vampire rather than serve herself when he marched on Sigmar
IIRC he tends to go for the "serve me or perish, you will serve me in death or life (un-life)" I don't think he has ever shown the power to command them directly expect through specific artefacts like his crown and a certain ring......
Ah sweet thanks very much, might just have to check those books out.
They are excellent reads
Pleased by this bit of the free extract on BL
he scryer chuckled mirthlessly as the next image wavered into being. Another mountain hold, but not one that belonged to the dwarfs. Not any more, at least. In the deep halls and opulently decorated black chambers of the Silver Pinnacle, the self-proclaimed queen of the world, Neferata, mother and mistress of the Lahmian bloodline, led her warriors, both dead and undead, in defence of her citadel. A horde of daemons, backed by hell-forged artillery, attacked from above and below, laying siege to the main gates of Neferata’s chosen eyrie, as well as surging up from its lower depths. But these daemons vanished as abruptly as those who had attacked Copper Mountain. The scryer frowned in annoyance. It would have been far better for his own designs for the mistress of the Silver Pinnacle to have fallen to the daemon-storm.
Nice to see a certain Elf Princess alive if not well and that Josh Reynolds is writing the book
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I don't know if it has been mentioned earlier but do we have any idea how big this model is from base to the top of his hat (or wand)? In the picture it seems to me something like 6 times the height of the skeleton, therefore I would say around 17cm/6,7 inches. But maybe I am completely wrong in these calculations.
Here is a rough estimation:
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The more I hear about this release the better it sounds.
i don't think I'll be forking over the cash for Nagash - maybe the store will and it can be a take all comers list or able to win through Campaign.
I'm already helping to run the 40k side of things though...
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
Hello, this is great timing! I hadn't done WHFB in over a decade and just several weeks ago started my vampire counts army! Already have most of it painted....now onto the 160 skeletons...
Anyways, I hadn't seen anyone mention this point yet - the WD article gave hint to new rules (not the Nagash book, but a new rule set evolving out of this whole "end of times." thingy), and then the local manager at GW (that I have bought stuff from) said the Nagash book is the book taking everyone into 9th edition... (There's rules and other things apparently in it that have no mention in 8th edition...).
unmercifulconker wrote: I need a game or movie showcasing The End Times. Its getting too badass, cant wait to read more.
On a slight fluff note, can Nagash control a vampire the way a necromancer would a skeleton? Or are the majority of vampires simply joining Nagash because its Nagash?
Vampires have served Nagash in the past - the Nagash trilogy and Blood of Nagash books go into this at some length - its usually via coercion as he wants to completely eliminate their food supply and also given the ego's of pretty much all Vamps they don't like serving!
The only Vamps that really serve him willingly are Necrarchs and that because they want the same thing. Neferata has avoided direct control for much of her existence and has fought against his forces directly - usually losing. She gave Nagash a Vampire rather than serve herself when he marched on Sigmar
IIRC he tends to go for the "serve me or perish, you will serve me in death or life (un-life)" I don't think he has ever shown the power to command them directly expect through specific artefacts like his crown and a certain ring......
Who knows, maybe Neferata just thinks Nagash is a D-bag.
"Say Neferata, we're all going over to Nagash's black pyramid to hang out, you coming?"
"Naa, there's something about that guy that rubs me the wrong way. I'll catch up with y'all tomorrow night."
Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
godswildcard wrote: Following a few other peoples lead, but if you haven't read the extract on Black Library, you need to. It's only about 65 pages, but it's AMAZING!! If you want to read it yourself, don't click below!
Spoiler:
In the first chapter, a 'scryer' (Mannfred) is looking around the world at the things going on. It doesn't look good. Louen Leoncouer is dead, killed by his illegitimate son (with the help of Arkhan). The son is in turned killed by Gilles de Breton, who was the Green Knight. Archon has a MASSIVE demon legion at the North Pole, and 4 exalted (their word, not mine!) demons kneel before him in homage. It's specifically said that this is the kind of Demon army that assailed the world when it was young. Several cities in Lustria are burning. As is Middenhiem. Tilea is overrun by Skaven (it's gone) who seem to have finally united. Ulthuan is fighting demons while Naggaroth is fighting WoC. The Empire is in bad straights, with Volkmar the Grim's army (who went to purge Sylvania) being completely destroyed and the Grand Theogenist himself has been captured. Valten is back, and the twin tailed comet is in the sky again. The Tomb Kings are marching on Araby. Gotrek (he's the slayer, right?) is specifically called a 'doomseeker' as he carves up a path through some WoC in Kislev, and Felix may be dead (the human companion? Do I have that right?). Kislev is pretty much gone, but the Ice Queen is still alive and is fighting WoC in hit-and-run battles throughout her empire. Beastmen have attacked Athel Loren, and the Oak of Ages is dead.
I think that hits the highlights.
So from that, I can sincerely hope we will see (warning! Wishlisting to follow!):
-A Bretonnia reboot with Gilles as the king
-New plastic Greater Demon models (greater demons/ exalted demons dual kit--> this one is a no brainer and GW would be stupid NOT to)
-Doomseekers making a comeback (my own personal geek dream. I'd start dwarfs for affordable slayer and doomseeker models)
-an Ice Queen/ kislev comback
I'm starting to get giggly with excitement!!!
I never understood why people think gaking all over the established background is "awesome". I like Warhammer because it's Warhammer, I like 40K because it's 40K, the background is the only reason I'm not playing other companies' games which are cheaper and have more enjoyable rules, and I have exactly zero interest in some vague parody of the Warhammer world with half the factions gone or amalgamated.
One of the big reasons 40K and Fantasy are appealing is that the clock is set at one minute to midnight; unspeakable horrors are everywhere scratching at the walls, and it's inevitable that something is going to eat/murder/burn everyone and everything in short order, but what actually happens is never spelled out so it's up to the players to create their own stories within the setting. If someone is really desperate to "see what happens" in either setting, they can run their own campaign to find out, or write out their own preferences and start holding their games in a new setting that results from the changes they made - they get what they want, without taking away everyone else's options.
And as for the actual process; the model releases, the different armies, the campaign event - none of those require them to change the existing Fantasy setting. Forgeworld and BL have managed to turn the Heresy into a total monster, if they had even a fraction of the creative talent GW could have easily done the same with the events of Fantasy's Time of Legends series rather than just doing the fictional equivalent of overturning a half-finished chess game in a hissy fit.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
-----
"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
I am not sure - the extract is great but the world changing events are seen through a scrying - so may even be possible future rather than current events? Not sure.
Josh Reynolds has written some of my fav WF novels so hoping he keeps it up..............
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
alanberger wrote: Hello, this is great timing! I hadn't done WHFB in over a decade and just several weeks ago started my vampire counts army! Already have most of it painted....now onto the 160 skeletons...
Anyways, I hadn't seen anyone mention this point yet - the WD article gave hint to new rules (not the Nagash book, but a new rule set evolving out of this whole "end of times." thingy), and then the local manager at GW (that I have bought stuff from) said the Nagash book is the book taking everyone into 9th edition... (There's rules and other things apparently in it that have no mention in 8th edition...).
Has anyone else caught onto that yet?
I hate to tell you this, but this thing looks more like a "Storm of Magic" style release. Most of the time, of which (like SoM), is not going to see play except on rare tournament occasions or between friends gameplay. I wouldn't expect to see a wide acceptance of "everyone can summon undead" within the community for normal play.
Let a billion souls burn in death than for one soul to bend knee to a false Emperor.....
"I am the punishment of God, had you not committed great sin, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you"
corgan wrote: I don't know if it has been mentioned earlier but do we have any idea how big this model is from base to the top of his hat (or wand)? In the picture it seems to me something like 6 times the height of the skeleton, therefore I would say around 17cm/6,7 inches. But maybe I am completely wrong in these calculations.
Here is a rough estimation:
I don't think you've measured it terribly well in that image. The skeleton is roughly 96 pixels tall in that image, Nagash to the top of his hat is 740 pixels, to the top of his staff is 830 pixels.
So roughly 7.7 skeletons tall to his hat, 8.6 skeletons tall to his staff. I'm guessing a skeleton is about 30mm, so Nagash is 23cm/9" to his hat, 26cm/10.2" to his staff.
I never understood why people think gaking all over the established background is "awesome". I like Warhammer because it's Warhammer, I like 40K because it's 40K, the background is the only reason I'm not playing other companies' games which are cheaper and have more enjoyable rules, and I have exactly zero interest in some vague parody of the Warhammer world with half the factions gone or amalgamated.
One of the big reasons 40K and Fantasy are appealing is that the clock is set at one minute to midnight; unspeakable horrors are everywhere scratching at the walls, and it's inevitable that something is going to eat/murder/burn everyone and everything in short order, but what actually happens is never spelled out so it's up to the players to create their own stories within the setting. If someone is really desperate to "see what happens" in either setting, they can run their own campaign to find out, or write out their own preferences and start holding their games in a new setting that results from the changes they made - they get what they want, without taking away everyone else's options.
And as for the actual process; the model releases, the different armies, the campaign event - none of those require them to change the existing Fantasy setting. Forgeworld and BL have managed to turn the Heresy into a total monster, if they had even a fraction of the creative talent GW could have easily done the same with the events of Fantasy's Time of Legends series rather than just doing the fictional equivalent of overturning a half-finished chess game in a hissy fit.
Wow. Now tell us how you really feel!
I think you're giving GW a bit to much credit here. Firstly, the Nagash rulebook is 96 pages long, yet contains more than two army books worth of units, meaning you will need the army books to play the Undead Legion list. This means that they aren't getting rid of the army books. So you don't need to worry about only being able to play with 4 factions or so. Basically what we are looking at here is a more structured 'unbound' type ruleset (which makes more sense than 'I have 3 riptides, a wraithknight and a baneblade and I can use them as one army!!11!')
Yes, they've advanced the timeline. But there is no end-game (because that would END the GAME, you see). That IS for the player to decide. Now the clock may be at :30 or :15 seconds to midnight, but it's still not over. Can your glorious band of heroes buy the world more time? Or will the evil powers (the now MULTIPLE evil powers. Sorry, but having Chaos as the only big baddie in the game gets really, REALLY old) bathe the world in blood and death? Who knows?! But it's up to you to figure it out. The setting is changing, but it's been unchanged since AT least 2001. Want to know why Fantasy is stagnant? Nothing exciting ever happens. Unlike 40K which regularly gets Forgeworld support and MUCH love from momma GW, fantasy has been stuck where it is FOREVER. FW won't be making any real contributions to fantasy for quite a while. We may get the odd BSB or monster, but 30K is way to lucrative to even THINK about doing something that doesn't involve power armor, and we're only 25% of the way through a planned 12 books. Where are those three 'Time of Legends' books, not to mention HALF of the stuff from Monstrous Arcanum? Not happening. GW is actually doing the stuff that FW SHOULD be doing, but won't. There are still contemptor dreadnoughts to wrap in different colors!
The problem with expecting everyone to just make up their own setting is that it's not nearly as satisfying if it's not official in any way. With these events EVERYTHING really does have a chance to happen more so than ever before. People will FINALLY be able to run a unified undead army again. Or a Demons and Warriors and Beastmen army. If anything, it actually seems like they're saying they're pressing the timeline FORWARD, but they're actually turning back the clock and giving us our goodies back! The established background isn't being shat upon, it's being added to. VERY different things. Everything that has already happened has still already happened. But now MORE stuff is happening.
namiel wrote: Does anyone know if this book is limited? Its no longer available so I am curious if I need to be waiting by the door when my local GW opens saturday
Anyone????
RoperPG wrote: Blimey, it's very salty in here...
Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?
namiel wrote: Does anyone know if this book is limited? Its no longer available so I am curious if I need to be waiting by the door when my local GW opens saturday
Anyone????
I hadn't read anything about it being limited. Maybe they just sold through the first runs faster than expected? Pretty sure it wasn't limited.
namiel wrote: Does anyone know if this book is limited? Its no longer available so I am curious if I need to be waiting by the door when my local GW opens saturday
Anyone????
I hadn't read anything about it being limited. Maybe they just sold through the first runs faster than expected? Pretty sure it wasn't limited.
the cards were gone in less then 2 hours. I was hoping to get my hands on 3-4 sets
RoperPG wrote: Blimey, it's very salty in here...
Any more vegans want to put forth their opinions on bacon?
Just re-read it, and it could easily just be picking up where other events left off. He's being held baby Mannfred with a white wolf, blazing sun, and that elf princess.
Nagash
Mannfred von Carstein, Mortarch of Night
Arkhan the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament
Neferata, Mortarch of Blood
Krell, Mortarch of Despair
Vlad von Carstein, Mortarch of Shadow
Vampire Lord
High Necromancer
Ghoul King Strigoi
High Queen Khalida
Tomb King
High Liche Priest
Heroes
Necromancer
Vampire
Wight King
Cairn Wraith
Tomb Banshee
Prince Apophas
Tomb Prince
Tomb Herald
Liche Priest
Necrotect
It doesnt seeem so much 'again' as 'for the first time, albeit different way' given that they are virtually retconning storm of chaos...
But hey, if they are bringing back rules for my lovely Valten(s) Im happy, especially if this means there is even a slight chance of a redo of Teutogen Guard (hey I can dream!)
On the note of WFB time of legends stuff, Id hate it tbh. I dont want my games of wfb to feel like a historical tabletop game. Plus, as awesome as having a sigmar model would be, i dread the prospect of fighting an Undead Legion style army with Sigmar era Empire. No halberds/gunpowder/artillery/stanks/magic or warrior priests? No thank you...
I never understood why people think gaking all over the established background is "awesome". I like Warhammer because it's Warhammer, I like 40K because it's 40K, the background is the only reason I'm not playing other companies' games which are cheaper and have more enjoyable rules, and I have exactly zero interest in some vague parody of the Warhammer world with half the factions gone or amalgamated.
One of the big reasons 40K and Fantasy are appealing is that the clock is set at one minute to midnight; unspeakable horrors are everywhere scratching at the walls, and it's inevitable that something is going to eat/murder/burn everyone and everything in short order, but what actually happens is never spelled out so it's up to the players to create their own stories within the setting. If someone is really desperate to "see what happens" in either setting, they can run their own campaign to find out, or write out their own preferences and start holding their games in a new setting that results from the changes they made - they get what they want, without taking away everyone else's options.
And as for the actual process; the model releases, the different armies, the campaign event - none of those require them to change the existing Fantasy setting. Forgeworld and BL have managed to turn the Heresy into a total monster, if they had even a fraction of the creative talent GW could have easily done the same with the events of Fantasy's Time of Legends series rather than just doing the fictional equivalent of overturning a half-finished chess game in a hissy fit.
Wow. Now tell us how you really feel!
I think you're giving GW a bit to much credit here. Firstly, the Nagash rulebook is 96 pages long, yet contains more than two army books worth of units, meaning you will need the army books to play the Undead Legion list. This means that they aren't getting rid of the army books. So you don't need to worry about only being able to play with 4 factions or so. Basically what we are looking at here is a more structured 'unbound' type ruleset (which makes more sense than 'I have 3 riptides, a wraithknight and a baneblade and I can use them as one army!!11!')
Yes, they've advanced the timeline. But there is no end-game (because that would END the GAME, you see). That IS for the player to decide. Now the clock may be at :30 or :15 seconds to midnight, but it's still not over. Can your glorious band of heroes buy the world more time? Or will the evil powers (the now MULTIPLE evil powers. Sorry, but having Chaos as the only big baddie in the game gets really, REALLY old) bathe the world in blood and death? Who knows?! But it's up to you to figure it out. The setting is changing, but it's been unchanged since AT least 2001. Want to know why Fantasy is stagnant? Nothing exciting ever happens. Unlike 40K which regularly gets Forgeworld support and MUCH love from momma GW, fantasy has been stuck where it is FOREVER. FW won't be making any real contributions to fantasy for quite a while. We may get the odd BSB or monster, but 30K is way to lucrative to even THINK about doing something that doesn't involve power armor, and we're only 25% of the way through a planned 12 books. Where are those three 'Time of Legends' books, not to mention HALF of the stuff from Monstrous Arcanum? Not happening. GW is actually doing the stuff that FW SHOULD be doing, but won't. There are still contemptor dreadnoughts to wrap in different colors!
The problem with expecting everyone to just make up their own setting is that it's not nearly as satisfying if it's not official in any way. With these events EVERYTHING really does have a chance to happen more so than ever before. People will FINALLY be able to run a unified undead army again. Or a Demons and Warriors and Beastmen army. If anything, it actually seems like they're saying they're pressing the timeline FORWARD, but they're actually turning back the clock and giving us our goodies back! The established background isn't being shat upon, it's being added to. VERY different things. Everything that has already happened has still already happened. But now MORE stuff is happening.
So yeah, I'm excited. It's an exciting time.
And what's a big reason those FW supplements are so well received? They're set in the "past", or the "present" if they deal with relatively isolated events. They don't screw with people's existing armies, their personal characters and stories. You talk about how things are more "satisfying" when they're official, well why is the satisfaction of those who want the timeline to advance(a distinct concept from more content being added, because we've established you can do that easily without touching the timeline or even materially altering "historical" events) more important than those who like it fine the way it is?
And I'm not talking about losing factions just in terms of losing army books; my Tilean army is gone, it cannot continue to exist in its present form. It either becomes a "historical" army, or I have to completely rewrite the background material to account for the fact that Tilea doesn't fething exist any more. Did you have a Bretonnian army themed around Louen Leoncouer? Not any more you don't! The campaign me and my friends had that took place after a heavily-rewritten version of the Storm of Chaos events? Oops, completely invalidated, it sure was a great use of my time to spend hours of my free time setting everything up for that one since we only managed to get about a quarter of the way through by our last gaming night.
Fantasy is stagnant because it's ridiculously expensive to get into even compared to 40K, and GW have paid it virtually no attention. Paying it attention doesn't mean they have to advance the timeline, and you would think that both GW and the players would have learned from Storm of Chaos and 13th Black Crusade that advancing the timeline doesn't end well. I can only hope there is a third embarrassing climbdown and retcon in GW's future, because otherwise the only GW games I'll be left playing are ones they don't even publish any more, and that isn't an "I'm quitting!" threat, it's an expression of my own regret at the loss of something I used to enjoy.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
-----
"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
Nagash
Mannfred von Carstein, Mortarch of Night
Arkhan the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament
Neferata, Mortarch of Blood
Krell, Mortarch of Despair
Vlad von Carstein, Mortarch of Shadow
Vampire Lord
High Necromancer
Ghoul King Strigoi
High Queen Khalida
Tomb King
High Liche Priest
Heroes
Necromancer
Vampire
Wight King
Cairn Wraith
Tomb Banshee
Prince Apophas
Tomb Prince
Tomb Herald
Liche Priest
Necrotect
Varghulfs
Blood Knights
Cairn Wraiths
Black Coach
Terrorgheist
Mortis Engine
Bones Giant
Hierotitan
Necrosphinx
Screaming Skull Catapult
Casket of Souls
Morghast Archai
Oh the possibilities with that list
So instead of cherry picking units to make a thematic army for Nagash, they just mashed the two books together, added a few new units and called it a day?
Oh the possibilities, indeed. They had the chance to create something actually unique for Nagash, instead we got something you could house rule in an hour.
Nagash
Mannfred von Carstein, Mortarch of Night
Arkhan the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament
Neferata, Mortarch of Blood
Krell, Mortarch of Despair
Vlad von Carstein, Mortarch of Shadow
Vampire Lord
High Necromancer
Ghoul King Strigoi
High Queen Khalida
Tomb King
High Liche Priest
Heroes
Necromancer
Vampire
Wight King
Cairn Wraith
Tomb Banshee
Prince Apophas
Tomb Prince
Tomb Herald
Liche Priest
Necrotect
Varghulfs
Blood Knights
Cairn Wraiths
Black Coach
Terrorgheist
Mortis Engine
Bones Giant
Hierotitan
Necrosphinx
Screaming Skull Catapult
Casket of Souls
Morghast Archai
Oh the possibilities with that list
So instead of cherry picking units to make a thematic army for Nagash, they just mashed the two books together, added a few new units and called it a day?
Oh the possibilities, indeed. They had the chance to create something actually unique for Nagash, instead we got something you could house rule in an hour.
They do have some new stuff coming out for it as well
Nagash
Mannfred von Carstein, Mortarch of Night
Arkhan the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament
Neferata, Mortarch of Blood
Krell, Mortarch of Despair
Vlad von Carstein, Mortarch of Shadow
Vampire Lord
High Necromancer
Ghoul King Strigoi
High Queen Khalida
Tomb King
High Liche Priest
Heroes
Necromancer
Vampire
Wight King
Cairn Wraith
Tomb Banshee
Prince Apophas
Tomb Prince
Tomb Herald
Liche Priest
Necrotect
Varghulfs
Blood Knights
Cairn Wraiths
Black Coach
Terrorgheist
Mortis Engine
Bones Giant
Hierotitan
Necrosphinx
Screaming Skull Catapult
Casket of Souls
Morghast Archai
Oh the possibilities with that list
So instead of cherry picking units to make a thematic army for Nagash, they just mashed the two books together, added a few new units and called it a day?
Oh the possibilities, indeed. They had the chance to create something actually unique for Nagash, instead we got something you could house rule in an hour.
They do have some new stuff coming out for it as well
Hence why I said
they just mashed the two books together, added a few new units and called it a day?
Simply mashing the two books together and adding a couple of unique units is extremely uninspired game design. I don't know why I'm surprised they did it like this, but I am. Wasted opportunity to make something actually unique.
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester 
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k 
Let a billion souls burn in death than for one soul to bend knee to a false Emperor.....
