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 Anfauglir wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
I do agree we need better generic vampires though, but we've got the 5 main distinct bloodlines plus 2? From the roleplay stuff, the problem is they all have unique aesthetics, the seductive Lahmians, the heavily armoured Blood Dragons, bestial Strigoi, whithered Necrarchs and the generically generic von Carsteins. It would be a mission to represent them all in one kit, and 5 seperate kits will never happen.

We already have Carsteins, Strigoi and Blood Dragons represented with kits, so is another two character kits really that much to ask?

The Strigoi is really hard to put on foot without looking cramped on the base and the Blood Dragon doesn't really fit on any model other than the back of the dragon, even getting him on the back of a horse was a real pain, maybe if he came y'know on foot you might have a point though.

 Vain wrote:
I wanted to put in a Blade one, but didn't want to get too bloated.

The 1990s Angst Vampire (Buffy/Angel), 2000s Action Vampire (Blade), and the 2010s Sexual Vampire (Tru Blood) were the sad ones that got the chop.

Didn't like Blade, loved Buffy and liked True blood to start with but my fav vampire is

 Krellnus wrote:

 Anfauglir wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
I do agree we need better generic vampires though, but we've got the 5 main distinct bloodlines plus 2? From the roleplay stuff, the problem is they all have unique aesthetics, the seductive Lahmians, the heavily armoured Blood Dragons, bestial Strigoi, whithered Necrarchs and the generically generic von Carsteins. It would be a mission to represent them all in one kit, and 5 seperate kits will never happen.

We already have Carsteins, Strigoi and Blood Dragons represented with kits, so is another two character kits really that much to ask?

The Strigoi is really hard to put on foot without looking cramped on the base and the Blood Dragon doesn't really fit on any model other than the back of the dragon, even getting him on the back of a horse was a real pain, maybe if he came y'know on foot you might have a point though.

There's the winged vamp lord on foot and the Blood Knights for Blood Dragon models. Some of those issues can be solved with converting. All I'm saying is that three of those five representations are in the range, in some form or another. Therefore it would only take two more kits to cover them. Of course, it would just be better to have five blister packs with foot and mounted options, but... that brings us back to the "too much to ask" situation. My suggestion is smaller and therefore more likely (however unlikely that remains).

 Anfauglir wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

 Anfauglir wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
I do agree we need better generic vampires though, but we've got the 5 main distinct bloodlines plus 2? From the roleplay stuff, the problem is they all have unique aesthetics, the seductive Lahmians, the heavily armoured Blood Dragons, bestial Strigoi, whithered Necrarchs and the generically generic von Carsteins. It would be a mission to represent them all in one kit, and 5 seperate kits will never happen.

We already have Carsteins, Strigoi and Blood Dragons represented with kits, so is another two character kits really that much to ask?

The Strigoi is really hard to put on foot without looking cramped on the base and the Blood Dragon doesn't really fit on any model other than the back of the dragon, even getting him on the back of a horse was a real pain, maybe if he came y'know on foot you might have a point though.

There's the winged vamp lord on foot and the Blood Knights for Blood Dragon models.

So a generic Vampire Lord(because that's what he is.) and a $100 kit are viable "Blood Dragon" options?

Honestly, they should have included a foot version (or at least a second set of legs) for the Blood Dragon on the Zombie Dragon.

Some of those issues can be solved with converting. All I'm saying is that three of those five representations are in the range, in some form or another. Therefore it would only take two more kits to cover them. Of course, it would just be better to have five blister packs with foot and mounted options, but... that brings us back to the "too much to ask" situation. My suggestion is smaller and therefore more likely (however unlikely that remains).

Given the amount of mount options and other things that exist, it would have been far smarter for GW to have released a boxed, plastic Vampire Count set. It could have easily been done in such a way that one would be able to build a Von Carstein or Blood Dragon(the two which are actually missing foot options that are easy to convert/represent).

 Kanluwen wrote:
So a generic Vampire Lord(because that's what he is.) and a $100 kit are viable "Blood Dragon" options?

Correct.

As a modeller, you're not limited to those kits, neither are you limited to the VC range in order to build VC options/characters. You call him "generic"... yet I can't picture him as anything but either a Blood Dragon or a Carstein, or, as you say simply a "generic" Vampire lieutenant/warrior. That's three options right off the bat. For one model, not bad in my opinion.

Honestly, they should have included a foot version (or at least a second set of legs) for the Blood Dragon on the Zombie Dragon.

Also Correct.

But again, there are many conversion/kitbash/counts-as options.

Given the amount of mount options and other things that exist, it would have been far smarter for GW to have released a boxed, plastic Vampire Count set. It could have easily been done in such a way that one would be able to build a Von Carstein or Blood Dragon(the two which are actually missing foot options that are easy to convert/represent).

That's three for three. It's easy to sit back and say GW should've or could've done this, that and the other. But as we find out time and time again GW aren't exactly the most logical or customer-friendly miniature company when it comes to their ranges and kits.

I can't believe the 'regular edition' of this book is 'direct only'.

Ugh.

This truly is the stuff of legend that will put Fantasy back on the map.

 Alpharius wrote:
I can't believe the 'regular edition' of this book is 'direct only'.

Ugh.

The US website doesn't say anything about it being direct only or a webstore exclusive.

 Alpharius wrote:
I can't believe the 'regular edition' of this book is 'direct only'.

Ugh.

I was all ready to be "WTF are you talking about Alpharius, I've seen it on Dark Sphere's site?".....then I read their small print..."this is a limited release product"

 Baragash wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I can't believe the 'regular edition' of this book is 'direct only'.

Ugh.

I was all ready to be "WTF are you talking about Alpharius, I've seen it on Dark Sphere's site?".....then I read their small print..."this is a limited release product"

Nothing at all about it being "limited release" on the GW site?

I asked via THE WARSTORE and was told 'direct only', so...

...maybe the Warstore is wrong?

It looks like it isn't on the Darksphere. The model for Nagash is though.

The book probably is direct only.

Speaking of books, that extract is really cool. Think I'll be picking that up when it hits the shelves.

Wayland has the book on pre-order, and GW is not listing it as direct only. The only items that are webstore exclusive is the limited edition and the bundle.

 Medium of Death wrote:
It looks like it isn't on the Darksphere. The model for Nagash is though.

It's under "rulebooks".

I e-mailed Dark Sphere to ask why it says it's a limited release.

Maybe the Warstore is confused?

 Baragash wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
It looks like it isn't on the Darksphere. The model for Nagash is though.

It's under "rulebooks".

I e-mailed Dark Sphere to ask why it says it's a limited release.

Aha!

Darksphere wrote:This two hardback, full colour book set comes in a sturdy slip case.

Book 1 details the cataclysmic events affecting every race in the Warhammer world and the return of Nagash, whilst Book 2 contains the rules for Nagash, along with a new lore, new miniatures, rules for fielding an Undead Legion of Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings, and more.

This is a limited release product, and can't be dispatched via Mail Order until September 3rd. It can be picked up in store normally from August 30th.

Dark Sphere indicated to me it wasn't a mistake.

Given that supplements for 40k were initially direct only but more recent ones have been available at indies, it's possible GW have moved to wide-releasing the books before withdrawing to direct only.

You know...Ive never actually played Fantasy. But wow. that nagash model is really good looking...I may just buy it for the looks.

I also read about him, I had no idea he had such an impact on the Fantasy world!

I'm just looking forward to seeing more of the other undead kits that are coming out.

What happened to the pictures of them anyway? They seem to keep disappearing. Does anybody have a decent link?

EDIT

Can we get these posted to the OP? Maybe edit out the broken link and picture of a WOW character.

Do we know if the Nagash book has everything you need to play in it for the undead legion? or if you need both the tomb kings and vampire counts books as well?

 Nevelon wrote:
Do we know if the Nagash book has everything you need to play in it for the undead legion? or if you need both the tomb kings and vampire counts books as well?

I had read I'd does have everything. If I find the link again I'll post it.

 Vash108 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Do we know if the Nagash book has everything you need to play in it for the undead legion? or if you need both the tomb kings and vampire counts books as well?

I had read I'd does have everything. If I find the link again I'll post it.

Cool. I might just pick this up. Of course, I’d have to re-base my old Nagash to fit the profile of the new one. Maybe one of the arcane fulcrums from Storm of Magic would work...

The Miniature Market is saying the same thing as The Warstore:

Regretfully, while Games Workshop has made the Nagash model available to us, the accompanying book will be available direct from Games Workshop only.

ugh, this sucks...I was considering picking this up for 25% off online...but $85 retail for the rules? That is criminal.

 Fango wrote:
ugh, this sucks...I was considering picking this up for 25% off online...but $85 retail for the rules? That is criminal.

Same here!

I was thinking about it at $64, but still on the fence.

At $85 straight up?

I'm leaning more towards the 'NO' side now.

To stimulate sales move desirable items to direct only. This is essentially a 20-25% price hike for those relying on discounters to stay in such an expensive game.

From Warseer.

 Alpharius wrote:
The Miniature Market is saying the same thing as The Warstore:

Regretfully, while Games Workshop has made the Nagash model available to us, the accompanying book will be available direct from Games Workshop only.

This kind of thing is why independent retailers have a problem with GW, it must drive them up the fething wall.

I bet most of them would like to tell the reps exactly what they think of that particular deal, but if they're a wargame-centric store they will have to just grit their teeth and take it..

 Pacific wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The Miniature Market is saying the same thing as The Warstore:

Regretfully, while Games Workshop has made the Nagash model available to us, the accompanying book will be available direct from Games Workshop only.

This kind of thing is why independent retailers have a problem with GW, it must drive them up the fething wall.

I bet most of them would like to tell the reps exactly what they think of that particular deal, but if they're a wargame-centric store they will have to just grit their teeth and take it..

If GW are wondering why they are losing market share, this is a big part of it IMO. FLGS's can't just drop GW product that easily when they are unhappy with GW, but a trend I've noticed in FLGS's and also online stores like The Combat Company is to stop actively promoting GW products. In the late 90's when I started, you could walk in to several of the local FLGS's and walk out with GW product without even noticing any other wargames because the GW stock was prominently displayed, these days you have to wade through a pile of other games to find the GW stuff at a corner in the back of the shop. It's kind of hard to ignore the fact other games do exist and they have models that are cheaper when you are almost tripping over them to get to the GW products.

I've seen the magic cards!!!

Brutal really.

Lore Attribute: Raise the Dead
Place a raise the dead counter on the battlefield each time a friendly wizard successfully casts a spell from the lore of undeath. Any friendly wizard that subsequently casts a summoning spell from the lore of undeath can choose to expend one or more counters after they have successfully cast their spell. For each counter expended, increase the points worth of the models summoned by that spell by +10 points.

There are three summoning spells, a direct damage and 2 augments in the lore. Hardest spell to cast is the sixth spell (natch) that can summon a single unit of cavalry, monstrous cavalry or chariots worth up to 150 points from the undead legions army list. That goes off on a 16+. Regular versions of the other spells are all at 10+ or less.