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Hmm interesting about the book dropping back to GW direct - I checked a few of the UK online stores as I had preordered from one;

4TK have removed the book, Element Games has marked as Direct Only, Outpost still has it listed, Wayland does, but with a 6th september ship date....all in all it seems confused.

I was pretty excited for this and looking to get back into WFB after nine years, but TBH if GW have purposely restricted this then they can do one as I'm not buying direct at a 20% markup just because they have mismanaged their business from a point of monopoly to a desperate last stand !

Morghasts are much bigger than I thought they were. I was expecting Ogre sized beasts.

 Alpharius wrote:
The Miniature Market is saying the same thing as The Warstore:

Regretfully, while Games Workshop has made the Nagash model available to us, the accompanying book will be available direct from Games Workshop only.

GW produces something that seems to get a lot of people excited, even those often cynical about their product, and then contrives to do something to piss almost everyone off by an almost exactly equal amount.

How unusual.

I bet the Germans have a word for this!

It seems Darksphere are getting some copies so I'm not sure why other retailers aren't.

Loving those Morghast pictures.

These units seem like they'll help tie both ranges together.

So the Tomb Kings side of things get a nice buff in the new army.
Tomb Kings can march within 12" of the General.
I think they also benefit with the restructuring of the raising mechanics but some one more well versed is welcome to correct me.
Also Nagash is such a badass that he maintains the magical link keeping the undead functioning so losing your general no longer triggers the slow crumbling of your forces.

What is different about Vlad from his Vampire Counts incarnation?

Well if that book extract is any indication Vlad was dead when these events began to kick off, although his spirit was still floating around. Perhaps he'll be back in a new body, similar to Nagash...

 Medium of Death wrote:
Well if that book extract is any indication Vlad was dead when these events began to kick off, although his spirit was still floating around. Perhaps he'll be back in a new body, similar to Nagash...

Last week's White Dwarf flatout states that Vlad is indeed a part of this, and is one of the Mortarchs.

Personnaly i'm more into this kind of Vampire.



If i ever decide to make a VC/Undead Legion army, it will be the Vampires Clans of Nosgoth with each Lieutenants( before they mutated and a mutated version)

And Kain of course.

Vlad has a profile in this book. He is 500 points and very similar some small changes.
Total side note. This book is gorgeous. The 296 fluff piece is amazingly well done. The rule book has a lot of cool missions to play I think I counted 18. They are a tad bit specific in my mind but still some tweeks and they are right on.
The real winner is the big book though. It's rich on detail and the artwork is lights out.

Methinks I'm just gonna run my Tomb Kings with this book cuz of the superior undead rules >_>

Kanluwen wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Well if that book extract is any indication Vlad was dead when these events began to kick off, although his spirit was still floating around. Perhaps he'll be back in a new body, similar to Nagash...

Last week's White Dwarf flatout states that Vlad is indeed a part of this, and is one of the Mortarchs.

lobbywatson wrote:Vlad has a profile in this book. He is 500 points and very similar some small changes.
Total side note. This book is gorgeous. The 296 fluff piece is amazingly well done. The rule book has a lot of cool missions to play I think I counted 18. They are a tad bit specific in my mind but still some tweeks and they are right on.
The real winner is the big book though. It's rich on detail and the artwork is lights out.

Super Vlad?

The book sounds awesome anyway. Totally sold.

I am not sure what all the various comments about the book being direct are about. Our store (Games and Stuff in MD) is getting a number of the books tomorrow and were all available as part of our weekly GW order.

Do they offer a discount on GW stuff, and do they take internet orders?

We do not discount as we are a regular brick and mortar store. We do not do internet orders either.

Vlad Von Carstein got a pretty hefty buff from my quick glimpse at his rules. Minus the "Beloved in Death" rule, he has the exact same stats, magic weapons and special rules as before and from memory he didn't lose any of his Vampiric Powers either. He went up 5 points but gained the "Mortarch of 'x'" special rule where enemies are at -1 to hit him and his unit in both shooting and close combat, plus I also think he causes Terror or something like that. He's been buffed pretty ridiculously, that's for sure! I can't wait to see how he does in a Grave Guard unit with the Banner of the Barrows....*shudders*.

Also some FYI's on Neferata, her "I turn you into a Vampire" rule only works once, she has Always Strikes First as a special rule (no Vampiric Powers) and enemies are indeed -1 to hit her in close combat and I think with shooting attacks as well. She's definitely the best Mortarch in close combat but obviously the most fragile with the least magic potential.

Brain currently working overtime to work out how to "egyptify" VC models

Same here, now that Neferata has been released and I can combine the aspects of both model ranges I like I'm going full steam ahead with a Lahmian/Egyptian theme.

I can finally build my Army of Darkness now that archers (maybe a few can be modelled as crossbows) can be accessed alongside VC.

Screaming Skull Catapults maybe need a bit or work (or just scratchbuild).

Anyone got any ideas for a good base model for Ash's "THIS IS MY BOOMSTICK!" pose? Methinks he'll make a fine Blender Lord

Got a pretty fast reply from the UK store I preordered the book/cards from. They say that the book is not direct only however they stopped taking orders as they have now met the maximum they can order of the book until GW makes it known what they can order for the next available batch.

The magic cards however have been limited for indies to a maximum of one pack per book ordered, the upshot being that this particular place will be cancelling any orders for cards alone unless someone has ordered the book and not the cards, in which case it gives them a spare pack of cards to fulfill a small number of these orders.

Given the number of people I know just in my local area who have been like "Nagash ? Buying that!" I would tend to believe this. However the proof will be Saturday/Monday when indies start shipping, or not......

 Ehsteve wrote:
Anyone got any ideas for a good base model for Ash's "THIS IS MY BOOMSTICK!" pose? Methinks he'll make a fine Blender Lord

Always the option to have a time/space displaced Ash AS the Blender Lord. That Necronomicon does strange things to a man.

My local FGS carries the book too. And Wayland for example got it listed, too. They even have a 25% discount on it. Don't know where this direct only stuff comes from. All stores I checked do have it on offer or at least had. Some seized to take orders for now since they already sold all copies they ordered and do not want to take orders for products they do not know when they can deliver.

 godswildcard wrote:
I've seen the magic cards!!!

Brutal really.

Lore Attribute: Raise the Dead
Place a raise the dead counter on the battlefield each time a friendly wizard successfully casts a spell from the lore of undeath. Any friendly wizard that subsequently casts a summoning spell from the lore of undeath can choose to expend one or more counters after they have successfully cast their spell. For each counter expended, increase the points worth of the models summoned by that spell by +10 points.

There are three summoning spells, a direct damage and 2 augments in the lore. Hardest spell to cast is the sixth spell (natch) that can summon a single unit of cavalry, monstrous cavalry or chariots worth up to 150 points from the undead legions army list. That goes off on a 16+. Regular versions of the other spells are all at 10+ or less.

So Nagash casting that 6th spell is a 450pt unit.....

Lorien wrote:
My local FGS carries the book too. And Wayland for example got it listed, too. They even have a 25% discount on it. Don't know where this direct only stuff comes from.

Because, if people asking these questions had read the topic properly, the question is not "are indies getting the book?" (they are, everyone understands this) but "are indies going to be stocking the book on an ongoing basis?"

So far Dark Sphere have indicated to me that once it sells out they won't get any more and apparently Miniature Market and The Warstore have said the same to Alpharius.

MaxT wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I've seen the magic cards!!!

Brutal really.

Lore Attribute: Raise the Dead
Place a raise the dead counter on the battlefield each time a friendly wizard successfully casts a spell from the lore of undeath. Any friendly wizard that subsequently casts a summoning spell from the lore of undeath can choose to expend one or more counters after they have successfully cast their spell. For each counter expended, increase the points worth of the models summoned by that spell by +10 points.

There are three summoning spells, a direct damage and 2 augments in the lore. Hardest spell to cast is the sixth spell (natch) that can summon a single unit of cavalry, monstrous cavalry or chariots worth up to 150 points from the undead legions army list. That goes off on a 16+. Regular versions of the other spells are all at 10+ or less.

So Nagash casting that 6th spell is a 450pt unit.....

Given the perfect conditions...Nagash could *potentially* summon another Nagash.

That would make my day...

I ordered the book and cards from Wayland as soon as it went up. They e-mailed me on Wednesday saying the cards had been cancelled. When I rang them to sort out the refund, they said GW had told them they couldn't actually have any packs of cards as they had sold out. They were still getting the books, but they were being delayed by a week (only to independents, not to GW stores). Didn't say anything about them being made direct only or similar.

 Ehsteve wrote:
Given the perfect conditions...Nagash could *potentially* summon another Nagash.

That would make my day...

If my opponent did this...

So do the Morghast and others go up tonight?

The new lore is good. It's got hefty numbers for successful casting. It's good though. Damn good. You can also buy the summoned units normal upgrades as listed in their profile.
Neferatra at first glance I was like ehhh. Then after thinking gee 8 wounds, asf, I 9, 8 attacks, lvl 3, -1 to hit. Holy feth..

 Eldarain wrote:
So the Tomb Kings side of things get a nice buff in the new army.
Tomb Kings can march within 12" of the General.
I think they also benefit with the restructuring of the raising mechanics but some one more well versed is welcome to correct me.
Also Nagash is such a badass that he maintains the magical link keeping the undead functioning so losing your general no longer triggers the slow crumbling of your forces.

Looking at what you pposted, those are some big changes. Marching is a huge difference, and the change to raising is big too (1 wound/casting vs 1 per phase actually makes healing constructs possible) Not particularly mentioned is that the Heirophant rule is gone, which has a couple effects besides crumbling. You don't get a unit with regen for free, but you do get to have a lot more freedom with your magic lores, since this is the rule that held that back. So Lv.4 on death + 2 x Lv2 on Nehekarah is legal and easily doable.

Were these pictures your own? If so, I'm interested in knowing if I can mix VC characters in TK units, and if I have to take any lore of undeath casters. If not, I can just call it a day and play TK as Undead Legions and gain a few big bonuses to make it a half decent army again.