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Why not just play xwing or hero clix? How do non painters justify their cost of purchase?

I dont paint often, I just pay people to paint.

It beats facing crappy AI in video games by a long shot. When you face a competent opponent in a wargame it actually feels like a tactical exercise and it rather enjoyable.

As for children, they tend to like the idea of gaming, but often grow tiresome of the effort involved in setting up.

And some people are addicted to buying models.

Fluff.

I applaud you for getting them painted one way or another. I guess I'm talking about the people that just leave the models grey. Seems hard to justify the purchase.

Because i hate PVC

I hate playing with unpainted grey models, I will make sure everything at least gets a base coat before it goes onto the table, which reminds me I need to sort a LandSpeeder before Friday... but I digress.

I love to see a fully painted and based army, to any level of skill, if you can see effort went in even if the results are a little 'shaky' it makes me respect the persons interest in the hobby a little more.

Saying all that I am however completely willing to play on an unpainted wooden board with unpainted wooden buildings on it...

Some people like the game and don't like painting. Others just started the army and wanted to get everything put together quickly so they can play and will worry about painting later. I'm a LEO working the night shift. When most people are playing, I'm at work. My days off are Sunday and Monday, the GW I play at is closed Monday. That gives me Monday to paint. Sunday I have to choose between painting my army or actually playing games with them, which is what I bought them for. For people with limited time, it's at lot easier to justify playing with grey models than having a well painted army that you've never played a game with because all your free time went into painting.

I myself have adhd so I dont get much painted. I also have so many armies and I enjoy the modeling possibilities. I enjoy customizing and building models. I seem to find building the models more fun then painting, although I have recently slowed down my model purchasing in hopes of getting more models painted.

Im in the same position as Toofast.
Due to working long hours, it comes down to painting or gaming, so painting is a very long and drawn out process for me.

Now i enjoy painting, but i prefer actually gaming, so its an easy call for me.

For me the order of fun is
1. Gaming
2. Modeling








3. Painting


I paint them when I have to for a tournament or league but other than that it's something I do when GW and the shooting range are both closed and there's no good games on TV.

I love painting, but I'm also - a) incredibly slow. b) somewhat OCD about getting everything "perfect" making my slow painting even slower as I want all my models to match the mental image I have in my head.

Thus, I end up fielding a goodly number of primed/solo coloured models since I can spend literally an entire day just getting a single model done.

Because some people (like me) actually hate painting, and just prefer to play against people (which says something, considering I'm not overly social in person, let alone on the internet).
I'm not bad at painting, but I sure as hell hate it. I'd rather sit and play. If you don't like to play against unpainted models, that's fair enough. I have over 50% of my stuff painted, around 5% is either grey or under coated, the rest is "I started painting it, and had to set it aside to go to bed. I never got back to it". I will get back to it eventually, I just don't know when. My main reason for hating painting is that I hate painting Space Marines (barring Terminators, Ironclads, Drop Pods, Sanguinary Guard, and the non-armour on Centurions), but love how they play. I do love painting my Ork Boys when I'm in the mood for painting, but I've not played with their new 'dex yet, they just seem "meh" compared to their last 'dex.

Is it too late to start the countdown until someone tells someone with a social life, spouse, and/or kids that they should dedicate countless hours to painting to play a game?

Also, reasons to not paint:
-40K seems to be going in a bad direction and accelerating it's decent. It's looked that way for a long time for me. It's very hard to find motivation to paint for a game that I believe is either going to go away or just lose my interest entirely.

I'm also losing interest with the GW models in general.
For example:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Tau-Empire-Cadre-Fireblade
is the same cost as
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/rpr77177.html
I'll let that speak for itself.

Between working four twelve hour NIGHT shifts a week and having a family to take care of, I paint when I can. I have undercoated about half of my army, and fully painted about a fourth of it or less. So, when I use my very few waking hours of free time to go play the game, I am most concerned with the fact that the models are assembled and look good. Having the models basecoated, washed, and highlighted is the goal, but as of right now, it is icing on the cake. I generally can only manage a few minis fully painted a week, tops.

OP is back to troll these boards? Thought he'd slinked off after that exposé on the store shenanigans.

People who don't paint their models play 40k for the exact same reason everyone else does: Because they want to.

 Psienesis wrote:
People who don't paint their models play 40k for the exact same reason everyone else does: Because they want to.

I had some big ole post typed out ready to go about all the different reasons why someone would play any game but then I saw this post and deleted mine as quite frankly nothing more needs to be said.

40k is a good game. Simple as.

You can still enjoy the hobby, despite your models not being painted. There's no rule saying they can't. Some people aren't good painters, and would prefer to have grey models as opposed to models that looked like a kindergarten got ahold of them. I have no qualms with someone leaving their army unpainted, or just primed. It's THEIR army. Not mine.

Hey, glad to see that my nerve damage makes me unable to enjoy this game. Jackass.

Painting and modelling are the part I love.

I've tried the recent rules but they then switched to 7th.

I'd rather build my armies to what I want / close to take all comers lists.

I like modelling the most but it's very cheap to also get pre-built units off ebay.

An awkward imbalance between what I want to build, the forces I need, and what I can acquire.

I'm actually dreaming up stripping down parts of some of my armies all over again to bring them up to a new standard and to what I want them to be.


I'll take them to games eventually, depending on how my return to college leaves me with free time. Until then I love building and painting.

Daly, I enjoy your attempts to troll the forum as much as the next slightly irritated by your continued presence on Dakka poster, but at least get some new material, some of us have looong memories.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/558656.page

The position taken by Daly would be more effective if he wasn't currently selling his Dark Eldar (the subject of many of his more volatile threads) which are almost all unpainted.

 Eldarain wrote:
The position taken by Daly would be more effective if he wasn't currently selling his Dark Eldar (the subject of many of his more volatile threads) which are almost all unpainted.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:Have:
50 kabalite warriors, 5 blaster,5 shredder, 10 splinter cannons
10 wyches
30 wracks
4 grotesques
1 urien rakarth
1 haemunculi
1 archon
10 khymera
6 razorwing flocks
5 hellions
2 talos pain engine
6 venoms
4 raiders
3 ravagers



2 razorwing jetfighters




WANT:

IG vehicles. Unpainted preferres highly. Looking for leman russ executioners, vanquishers,manticores,and basilisks mostly and vendettas

Dalymiddleboro wrote:Everything is assembled. The archon is the basic kit, and the only things painted are:

15 kabalites (kabal of black heart)
5 venoms (like on the box withiut the riders)
1 raider like on box
3 grotesques
3 wracks
Archon
Haemy
Urien.

Two razorwing jet fighters are primed black
7 wracks primed black.

Everything else is grey.

So I guess you're uniquely placed to answer your own thread then Daly?

 Swastakowey wrote:
It beats facing crappy AI in video games by a long shot. When you face a competent opponent in a wargame it actually feels like a tactical exercise and it rather enjoyable.

But if that's what you want then why play 40k, a game with horrible rules and very little tactics? If you don't love the models I can't see why 40k would be appealing at all, unless it's the only wargame that anyone in your area plays and you'd rather play a bad game than no game at all.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Fluff.

How much do you really enjoy the fluff of a bunch of gray plastic? For me that just kills all hope of experiencing a game as a fluffy story in the world of 40k and brings it back to an exercise in throwing dice for a couple hours. I would've thought that fluff players would place the highest priority on painting.

I play plenty of other games for the same reason. 40K players have more intelligence and make a far better game than computer AI can achieve still (usually).

 Peregrine wrote:

Spoiler:

 Swastakowey wrote:
It beats facing crappy AI in video games by a long shot. When you face a competent opponent in a wargame it actually feels like a tactical exercise and it rather enjoyable.

But if that's what you want then why play 40k, a game with horrible rules and very little tactics? If you don't love the models I can't see why 40k would be appealing at all, unless it's the only wargame that anyone in your area plays and you'd rather play a bad game than no game at all.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Fluff.

How much do you really enjoy the fluff of a bunch of gray plastic? For me that just kills all hope of experiencing a game as a fluffy story in the world of 40k and brings it back to an exercise in throwing dice for a couple hours. I would've thought that fluff players would place the highest priority on painting.

How dare they like things differently from you eh Peri?

I must just have a better imagination than you, I dont even need models or an opponent just a table and some dice. Heck I bet I could imagine that too. I'm probably imagining this right now.


But really, who cares what other people do or don't as long as they don't do it to me.

I dunno.

Decreasing game quality, decreasing fluff quality...

Honestly, i don't know how anyone justifies the purchases these days, painted or not.

Me, all my models are already paid for and I don't play nearly enough for it to matter. I just like assembling awesome looking ones.

Some people just want to play the game, and can't paint worth a damn (and don't want to.)

Nothing wrong with that.

Sometimes they have way more models than time to paint them too. (Guilty cough).

I like to paint, and paint in what little spare time i have that isn't spent gaming, assembling models, building scenery etc.

I still have a lot of unpainted models.

I only have one army fully painted, based etc. I still like to play with my others, as Mono-nurgle Daemons can get dull if it's all you are playing.

It's a game, dude. If unpainted models offend you, find someone who feels like you do and play them