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The real thing is to encourage people to paint their models instead of hating on them. I definitely get more praise for my painted CSM than the grey blobs that nobody cares about. Also, having them painted can actually help you keep up with them on the tabletop. I don't know why more people don't use actual camo patterns, though, as I've actually overlooked (and seen others overlook) things because they were so similar to the terrain they were on.

Munga wrote:
The real thing is to encourage people to paint their models instead of hating on them. I definitely get more praise for my painted CSM than the grey blobs that nobody cares about. Also, having them painted can actually help you keep up with them on the tabletop. I don't know why more people don't use actual camo patterns, though, as I've actually overlooked (and seen others overlook) things because they were so similar to the terrain they were on.

Because most Necrons/Eldar/Nids/SM stick out like a sore thumb? Don't get me wrong, that's genius, but camo is for the heretics and squishy guard


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Noir wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
I began reading this thread on my phone the other day. I became so enraged I walked to the library to type a long and hateful rant but found the doors locked for the day....

That being said, I've had time to better form my opinion on the matter and now have a desk top infront of me.

I'll begin with a disclaimer...

I'm not trying to offend or flame here. I'm just voicing my opinion as a long time 40k player. 40K PLAYER! I'M TALKING ABOUT 40K ONLY HERE!!!!

I hate it when people don't paint their models. I see it as lazy and a waste of money. If you can't "find the time" to paint then you don't have time to play the game.

I have, over many years, collected several armies. I have painted most of them and sold those that I didn't get around to because I refuse to play with a gray army.

If you have any of the lame excusses, ie Family, School, Work, I'm no good at painting ect, you're full of it.

Family: I kinow plenty of people with families that find time to paint.

School: Classes aren't 24-7.

Work: Also, ain't 24-7. I have friends that work 70+ hours a week and still get models done.

No good: No one cares. As long as you try that's all that matters.

Ect: Stop being lazy.

It really doesn't take long to paint models. If you're trying to win a golden daemon with each model in your army than yeah... it'll take you a few years to finish.

But at least everytime you game you game you can show off the new unit you've been working on.

I can finish a 10 man squad of space marines in about 4.5 hours with all the bells and whistles. Sure they aren't as perfect as I'd like but those "Best Apperance" awards on the wall speak for themselves.

Simply put, I've put alot of time and money into THE HOBBY of warhammer 40k. I buy, build, convert, paint, play, read fluff, read black library and generally collect. I PLAY 40k.

if you buy models, build them and play. No painting of any effort.... You aren't into 40k. You're just another wargammer. Go buy a copy of risk. No painting needed.

Edit: If you are one of the people complaining that painting is stressful... unless you're painting for someone else and have a deadline... you're doing it wrong.

2nd Edit: The Eldrad in my avatar isn't quite finished but what you see there is about 30 minutes of effort. Thats a cup of coffee and a bit of reading or an episode of Adventure Time. You really can't make the sacrifice?

Isn't that like telling people without their own computer and home internet. That they are lazy becouse they don't work hard enough to own a computer and pay for internet. So shouldn't post online becouse they don't care enough to do it right.

Tell them to learn to consumer, duh

DeffDred wrote:
I hate it when people don't paint their models. I see it as lazy and a waste of money. If you can't "find the time" to paint then you don't have time to play the game.

That's fair enough, but some people have legitimate reasons. Me? I just hate painting, love playing. I love writing fluff for my army, I love writing rules.

If you have any of the lame excusses, ie Family, School, Work, I'm no good at painting ect, you're full of it.

Family: I kinow plenty of people with families that find time to paint.

School: Classes aren't 24-7.

Work: Also, ain't 24-7. I have friends that work 70+ hours a week and still get models done.

No good: No one cares. As long as you try that's all that matters.

There are legitimate reasons. People do care.
People YOU know with time to paint? Okay, but you don't know everyone with a family. Someone might have to look after a sick family member on top of a job and school. They might easily jump at the chance for a game, y'know?

You're right that school is not 24-7, but over here (in merry old, tea drinking, crumpet eating England), School is normally somewhere around 7 hours, that's just the school day itself. You then have to get to and from school/college/uni/wherever. There's also sleep, we will assume is 8 hours a night considering that's the "recommended amount" last time I checked. Let's call that 16 hours. At a younger age, sure you might have more time. When you're in high school, you have less time due to more and more assignments (this varies from place to place, I know), and if you're off of school a lot for medical reasons or personal reasons (like I used to be), then you have to spend more time to catch up, giving less time to paint.
College is around 3 - 5 days a week, and they give a crap-tonne of assignments (again, this varies). This can take up a lot of your time, leaving you wanting to just relax and watch something, maybe just an early night.

Yes, this is all very dependant on the area you're in, but that's my point. When I was in high school, I wasn't playing 40K. In college? Yeah, I did play. College took up most of my time because of how demanding the course was.

It really doesn't take long to paint models.

It does if you hate painting.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
But really, I'm sure there aren't too many people who genuinely can't find time if they wanted to. The problem is people don't WANT to find time to do it because they don't value it above other things in their lives.

This, really.
I personally could find the time.
I go to my LGS Fri - Sun for the entire day- open 'til close.
That leaves me Mon - Thurs where I currently do nothing other than stay at home. I could very easily paint, but I absolutely hate doing it.
Once I start painting I can do it for a while, but I rarely feel like it. I normally sit and play games, convert a couple of models (or heavily contemplate it), or write rules for custom 40K missions and my chapter of marines. I try to find anything to do that isn't painting. As such, I have around 20-ish models I've actually completely painted (I have around 4 - 5K of marines and 1K of Orks, just to put that into perspective) I have (at most) 10 models grey, the rest are either undercoated or have the base army colour (purple) on them. Hell, my marines (mostly) only have two colours: purple and silver.

jreilly89 wrote:
Because most Necrons/Eldar/Nids/SM stick out like a sore thumb? Don't get me wrong, that's genius, but camo is for the heretics and squishy guard

*nervous laugh*
Ha... yeah. Heretics... *sweating*
I'll be back. I er... I left my Boltgun on!
*Runs home to start repainting the camo squad of marines*
I still actually have my squad of marine I painted up as camo. One of my first squads, thought it would be cool. I enjoy their look, and they were the easiest to paint, I just prefer my purple marines more.

I've never understood how most people sit and actively watch TV. I have to be doing something else. I can't just sit and be mesmerized. I think you'll probably find that most painters are like that. I paint while watching a tv show or listening to music, etc.

I paint my models. They don't appear painted though. Only some are painted. However, unlike most people I do not view time as a straight line. More like a mural. So technically all my models are painted even though they aren't by the standards of mortal beings.

Noir wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
I began reading this thread on my phone the other day. I became so enraged I walked to the library to type a long and hateful rant but found the doors locked for the day....

That being said, I've had time to better form my opinion on the matter and now have a desk top infront of me.

I'll begin with a disclaimer...

I'm not trying to offend or flame here. I'm just voicing my opinion as a long time 40k player. 40K PLAYER! I'M TALKING ABOUT 40K ONLY HERE!!!!

I hate it when people don't paint their models. I see it as lazy and a waste of money. If you can't "find the time" to paint then you don't have time to play the game.

I have, over many years, collected several armies. I have painted most of them and sold those that I didn't get around to because I refuse to play with a gray army.

If you have any of the lame excusses, ie Family, School, Work, I'm no good at painting ect, you're full of it.

Family: I kinow plenty of people with families that find time to paint.

School: Classes aren't 24-7.

Work: Also, ain't 24-7. I have friends that work 70+ hours a week and still get models done.

No good: No one cares. As long as you try that's all that matters.

Ect: Stop being lazy.

It really doesn't take long to paint models. If you're trying to win a golden daemon with each model in your army than yeah... it'll take you a few years to finish.

But at least everytime you game you game you can show off the new unit you've been working on.

I can finish a 10 man squad of space marines in about 4.5 hours with all the bells and whistles. Sure they aren't as perfect as I'd like but those "Best Apperance" awards on the wall speak for themselves.

Simply put, I've put alot of time and money into THE HOBBY of warhammer 40k. I buy, build, convert, paint, play, read fluff, read black library and generally collect. I PLAY 40k.

if you buy models, build them and play. No painting of any effort.... You aren't into 40k. You're just another wargammer. Go buy a copy of risk. No painting needed.

Edit: If you are one of the people complaining that painting is stressful... unless you're painting for someone else and have a deadline... you're doing it wrong.

2nd Edit: The Eldrad in my avatar isn't quite finished but what you see there is about 30 minutes of effort. Thats a cup of coffee and a bit of reading or an episode of Adventure Time. You really can't make the sacrifice?

Isn't that like telling people without their own computer and home internet. That they are lazy becouse they don't work hard enough to own a computer and pay for internet. So shouldn't post online becouse they don't care enough to do it right.

A computer and internet access will cost a couple thousand $. Spray paint, gunmetal/white/black for dry brushing, and a pot of shade costs about $20.

I dont paint for a simple reason I hate it, well that and I am terrible at it, you can say "who cares" all you want I do and I know people who have verbally insulted me for my crappy painting, so I am sorry I dislike painting, but deal with it. I do build my models (albeit slowly) and as you can see from some of my threads I am making an effort to paint my armies, but why would I waste my time doing something I dislike when I can spend my time doing things I love? Hell the only reason I paint anything is becuase I have to or there is nothing else I can do that captures my attention.

If you have unpainted models great! If you have painted models awesome! If you have a mix of the two thats great! If you dont want to play against my grey horde thats fine, you are still a classy fellow. If you try and say I shouldnt be playing with my unpainted horde of grey doom thats not classy.

 TheSilo wrote:
A computer and internet access will cost a couple thousand $. Spray paint, gunmetal/white/black for dry brushing, and a pot of shade costs about $20.

And a decent slab of your life. Scary thought was just that it takes me ~$400 worth of time to paint a squad of Grey Hunters... all of a sudden my desire to paint my army has dropped like a rock

 DukeBadham wrote:
I dont paint for a simple reason I hate it, well that and I am terrible at it, you can say "who cares" all you want I do and I know people who have verbally insulted me for my crappy painting, so I am sorry I dislike painting, but deal with it. I do build my models (albeit slowly) and as you can see from some of my threads I am making an effort to paint my armies, but why would I waste my time doing something I dislike when I can spend my time doing things I love? Hell the only reason I paint anything is becuase I have to or there is nothing else I can do that captures my attention.

If you have unpainted models great! If you have painted models awesome! If you have a mix of the two thats great! If you dont want to play against my grey horde thats fine, you are still a classy fellow. If you try and say I shouldnt be playing with my unpainted horde of grey doom thats not classy.

Because sacrificing in the moment for a better future is worth it in the long run.

Making models is fun. Playing 40k is fun with the right opponent.

Painting is an exercise in tears, frustration, muscle cramp and eyestrain.

Painting is not fun. It is a chore that eventually gets done.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Making models is fun. Playing 40k is fun with the right opponent.

Painting is an exercise in tears, frustration, muscle cramp and eyestrain.

Painting is not fun. It is a chore that eventually gets done.

Heh - one of the big reasons I paint my models is that for me, kitbashing and scratchbuilding are two of the big draws for both the models and the army I play (orks). Painting them hides the fact that there are at least three shades of plastic and obviously-repurposed action figure parts in the models I field.

My kitbashes wear their construction scars with pride!

Although, that said, the more scratchbuilt a model is, the quicker I'm likely to get it painted, somehow.

 DukeBadham wrote:
I dont paint for a simple reason I hate it, well that and I am terrible at it, you can say "who cares" all you want I do and I know people who have verbally insulted me for my crappy painting, so I am sorry I dislike painting, but deal with it. I do build my models (albeit slowly) and as you can see from some of my threads I am making an effort to paint my armies, but why would I waste my time doing something I dislike when I can spend my time doing things I love? Hell the only reason I paint anything is becuase I have to or there is nothing else I can do that captures my attention.

I hadn't really thought of this, but yeah, I remember when I was starting out having a couple of people tease me that I just painted my bases green. The models themselves were never terribly painted, but my first army just had green bases. And I can think of at least 2 occasions in my local GW where people were teased for how poorly painted their army was.

I can totally understand why people would want to spend the time painting their models well instead of just slopping paint on them (which frankly still takes time especially if you're inexperienced) or simply not painting them at all.

If you have unpainted models great! If you have painted models awesome! If you have a mix of the two thats great! If you dont want to play against my grey horde thats fine, you are still a classy fellow. If you try and say I shouldnt be playing with my unpainted horde of grey doom thats not classy.

At the end of the day I much prefer playing with an against painted models. It's something me and my mates figured out after a few months of gaming, the game is much more entertaining when you are playing with painted models on a nice looking table with nice looking terrain. But given how long it takes to paint models, I'm not going to tell people they MUST paint their armies, especially not tell them they have to paint them crappily just to get them done. Obviously I'd prefer to play against the player in my FLGS that has a painted army rather than the one who doesn't though.

I really love playing the game but I hate assembling my models. It's ok if I just glue some legs to bases, right? And you're TFG if you complain about it, because some people just enjoy different parts of the game.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Making models is fun.

But how can you be satisfied with "making" a model that is just ugly gray plastic? I can understand hating the whole modeling and painting side of the hobby and just wanting to get your game pieces ASAP (though why you're playing such an awful game if you don't enjoy the models is a mystery), but I don't understand how people can love building the models but not finishing them. It's like saying you hate painting but really love spray priming everything.

 Peregrine wrote:
I really love playing the game but I hate assembling my models. It's ok if I just glue some legs to bases, right? And you're TFG if you complain about it, because some people just enjoy different parts of the game.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Making models is fun.

But how can you be satisfied with "making" a model that is just ugly gray plastic? I can understand hating the whole modeling and painting side of the hobby and just wanting to get your game pieces ASAP (though why you're playing such an awful game if you don't enjoy the models is a mystery), but I don't understand how people can love building the models but not finishing them. It's like saying you hate painting but really love spray priming everything.

You dont understand why people do a lot of the things you dislike it seems... A very common trend with you.


If someone enjoys making models, surely that means they are satisfied with the result of making that model. If someone enjoys playing a game, surely they simply enjoy the results of playing the game. If someone enjoys both, surely they enjoy the results of making models and playing the game. If someone hates playing the game, but loves painting the models and making the models, then they must be satisfied by making and painting models.

Pretty simple really. Its not all or nothing with war gaming. If people are willing to buy models and not paint them, where is the issue or misunderstanding or confusion here?

Painting is a chore, and for many yields little positive results. One mans chore is another mans hobby etc etc...

My interests have shifted over the years. When I started collecting model planes as a kid I enjoyed assembling and not painting them. I have a ton of planes that are assembled and ready for paint from when I was a kid. When I moved to wargaming, one thing I disliked was how the models weren't satisfying to assemble. The aircraft kits were complex and satisfying.

Over the years I've shifted more towards enjoying painting rather than assembly. The assembly just feels like a chore... though this is probably because wargaming kits aren't as fun to assemble as typical display model kits.

However, I only enjoy painting the first 1 or 2 models in a unit. By the 3rd or 4th model I'm thoroughly bored. Painting a single model is entertaining for me, painting a whole squad let along a whole army is an exercise in how long I can endure boredom and muscle cramps.


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 Peregrine wrote:
I really love playing the game but I hate assembling my models. It's ok if I just glue some legs to bases, right? And you're TFG if you complain about it, because some people just enjoy different parts of the game.

Pointless hyperbole is pointless. If you're only putting legs on bases you can't tell what the model is and what it's equipped with.

 Peregrine wrote:
...but I don't understand...

That's a shame... for you...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 TheSilo wrote:
A computer and internet access will cost a couple thousand $. Spray paint, gunmetal/white/black for dry brushing, and a pot of shade costs about $20.

And a decent slab of your life. Scary thought was just that it takes me ~$400 worth of time to paint a squad of Grey Hunters... all of a sudden my desire to paint my army has dropped like a rock

Unless you're making $400 an hour, you are vastly overestimating how long it takes to spray, shade, and dry brush.

And complaining about the time investment on Space Marines of all things...

 TheSilo wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 TheSilo wrote:
A computer and internet access will cost a couple thousand $. Spray paint, gunmetal/white/black for dry brushing, and a pot of shade costs about $20.

And a decent slab of your life. Scary thought was just that it takes me ~$400 worth of time to paint a squad of Grey Hunters... all of a sudden my desire to paint my army has dropped like a rock

Unless you're making $400 an hour, you are vastly overestimating how long it takes to spray, shade, and dry brush.

And complaining about the time investment on Space Marines of all things...

Spray, shade and drybrush looks like arse and I'd sooner leave them as grey plastic, I'm talking about how I actually paint them, which is the minimum standard I think is worth spending ANY time on for those models.

 Peregrine wrote:
I really love playing the game but I hate assembling my models. It's ok if I just glue some legs to bases, right? And you're TFG if you complain about it, because some people just enjoy different parts of the game.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Making models is fun.

But how can you be satisfied with "making" a model that is just ugly gray plastic? I can understand hating the whole modeling and painting side of the hobby and just wanting to get your game pieces ASAP (though why you're playing such an awful game if you don't enjoy the models is a mystery), but I don't understand how people can love building the models but not finishing them. It's like saying you hate painting but really love spray priming everything.

Could be in part that colours are pretty desaturated for me and I like the colour grey in any case.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 DukeBadham wrote:
I dont paint for a simple reason I hate it, well that and I am terrible at it, you can say "who cares" all you want I do and I know people who have verbally insulted me for my crappy painting, so I am sorry I dislike painting, but deal with it. I do build my models (albeit slowly) and as you can see from some of my threads I am making an effort to paint my armies, but why would I waste my time doing something I dislike when I can spend my time doing things I love? Hell the only reason I paint anything is becuase I have to or there is nothing else I can do that captures my attention.

If you have unpainted models great! If you have painted models awesome! If you have a mix of the two thats great! If you dont want to play against my grey horde thats fine, you are still a classy fellow. If you try and say I shouldnt be playing with my unpainted horde of grey doom thats not classy.

Because sacrificing in the moment for a better future is worth it in the long run.

Sorry but at the end of the day watching movies with my friends, talking to my friends, reading intresting educational books, taking care of my family, preparing for college, joining societies (like the IOP and the Old Williamsonians) all these things I do instead of painting have a much better future then painting my man dollies. I dont enjoy painting, I find it drainging and stressful and on many days I just can not deal with it, my life isnt roses, its not the worst life but it doesnt mean I cant have issues. Yes I might not have nerve damage or children or any reason why I cant paint, but I dont paint because I cant, its just too much some days and the other days I am busy giving myself life long friendships (I hope) or joining societies to improve my name in the corprate world or just doing what I must not to curl up into a ball and cry, and I am sorry that these lame excuses arent good enough for you but honestly...I dont have enough energy to care.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 DukeBadham wrote:
If you have unpainted models great! If you have painted models awesome! If you have a mix of the two thats great! If you dont want to play against my grey horde thats fine, you are still a classy fellow. If you try and say I shouldnt be playing with my unpainted horde of grey doom thats not classy.

At the end of the day I much prefer playing with an against painted models. It's something me and my mates figured out after a few months of gaming, the game is much more entertaining when you are playing with painted models on a nice looking table with nice looking terrain. But given how long it takes to paint models, I'm not going to tell people they MUST paint their armies, especially not tell them they have to paint them crappily just to get them done. Obviously I'd prefer to play against the player in my FLGS that has a painted army rather than the one who doesn't though.

If you prefer playing against painted models thats fine, and if you would rather play against a guy with painted models sure go ahead, its your choice, but acting like Dalymiddleboro is not a classy way to act, if you accept people might not paint all their models before wanting to play thats fine, if you say that people who dont paint shouldnt be in the hbby thats not fine.
I mean you seem like a classy fellow, if we met I would shake your hand (with your permission of course), give you a curt nod of approval and ask for a game, and then when you see my horribly painted terminators (I tried to paint raven guard...I failed...) you realize its a good thing I havent painted all my stuff yet

 Peregrine wrote:
But how can you be satisfied with "making" a model that is just ugly gray plastic?

Speaking as someone who prefers painted models, I don't find the grey of the plastic particularly 'ugly'...

A figurine doesn't necessarily have to be painted in order to be aesthetically pleasing.

. It's like saying you hate painting but really love spray priming everything.

And why would that be a problem?

It's really weird that people will jump around talking about all the meaningful things they are doing instead of painting as if it's this worthless EXTRA thing in wargaming. Look, if you wargame at all, you're committing time away from all those things you mentioned anyway. How you prioritize that wargame time is your business but you're not gonna get brownie points for participating in 2/3 of the hobby because you're doing life stuff.

Life stuff is obviously more important than wargaming, but don't act like one facet of the hobby is somehow a more ridiculous way to spend your time than the other in the grand scheme of things.

 Las wrote:
but you're not gonna get brownie points for participating in 2/3 of the hobby because you're doing life stuff.

I don't think any one is looking for brownie points. People are looking to not be derided.

Life stuff is obviously more important than wargaming, but don't act like one facet of the hobby is somehow a more ridiculous way to spend your time than the other in the grand scheme of things.

Eh, you can easily argue that the facet which involves actually being with mates, socialising, drinking together, laughing together, etc. is less ridiculous than the facet that (more often than not) has you sitting at home by yourself for hours on end. Not that I'd say that facet is "ridiculous" (I don't think anyone claimed as such?), but it's easy to see why many people are likely to see the value of gaming in their life over the value of painting in their life.

It was brought up on pages past that historic gamers are the types who won't play with unpainted models compared to 40k/WHFB/Warmahordes players... I think the reason for that is simply that players in the latter group are more mainstream and more inclined to be in to the social aspects of the hobby.

Why would sci fi players be more social? Wargaming is inherently social.

Also do none of you ever paint with friends? Couple beers, pizza, bad action movies = one or two units done in an easy going night with some buds.

 Las wrote:
Also do none of you ever paint with friends?

Nope. The friends I have who are into the hobby have conflicting work schedules with me, and as such the only time we see each other is on game night at the FLGS.

TBH I almost never get to game so I dont proitize one part of the hobby other another, I dislike painting and what I am saying there are things I do instead of painting because I like them more, but having an attitude like Dalymiddleboro is just wrong I fee;

Toofast wrote:
For me the order of fun is
1. Gaming
2. Modeling








3. Painting


I paint them when I have to for a tournament or league but other than that it's something I do when GW and the shooting range are both closed and there's no good games on TV.

and no golf, fishing, yard work, car work, bow practice, cat brushing, vacuuming...

I enjoy the game and try to like painting, but after painting and selling 3 complete armies 20 years ago its hard to commit.

 Las wrote:
Why would sci fi players be more social? Wargaming is inherently social.

I didn't say that, I said those particular sci-fi games are more mainstream and the mainstreamers, at least in my opinion would be more attracted to the social aspects than the non-social aspects (I have not attempted to gather evidence, it just seems logical to me)

Also do none of you ever paint with friends? Couple beers, pizza, bad action movies = one or two units done in an easy going night with some buds.

I've done that a bit. It never really got me far. Of the few hundred models I've painted, maybe 3 or 4 were painted while hanging out with mates. It seems most my friends would rather do things like playing pool or video games or anything than painting models... probably because most of them find it boring

Most the time we just get distracted doing other things, and even when we do get down and paint some models, we'll only hang out for a few hours a week when we can make time, and most my armies have taken me 100+ hours to assemble and paint.

I've also tried painting in my FLGS and didn't get far. It just takes so fething long and since my house is better equipped and I have a more comfortable chair than the FLGS, it just seems to be making life harder for no good reason.

I'm not saying social painting is bad, it's just in my experience social painting doesn't get an army done. If you manage to get your army done while social painting, I'm jealous


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 Byte wrote:
and no golf, fishing, yard work, car work, bow practice, cat brushing, vacuuming...

I enjoy the game and try to like painting, but after painting and selling 3 complete armies 20 years ago its hard to commit.

One of the stupidest things I did was selling my first army. It was painted like arse, I bought most the models already assembled and I spent 3 or 4 solid weekends getting the core of it done. Even though it looked terrible, selling it meant I didn't have a painted army for many years because I could never get the motivation to paint another terrible army and painting models to look half decent meant it took me a few years before I actually got another army up to snuff. Though that first army was done in 5th edition WHFB and armies were a lot smaller back then, these days I wouldn't find a game playing such a small army.

I do better if I sit with hobby buddies and get some work done.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I didn't say that, I said those particular sci-fi games are more mainstream and the mainstreamers, at least in my opinion would be more attracted to the social aspects than the non-social aspects (I have not attempted to gather evidence, it just seems logical to me).

I don't really understand. What do you mean by 'mainstream'? Its a weird assumption to pose that a group of people would arbitrarily not enjoy social aspects to a social hobby.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I've done that a bit. It never really got me far. Of the few hundred models I've painted, maybe 3 or 4 were painted while hanging out with mates. It seems most my friends would rather do things like playing pool or video games or anything than painting models... probably because most of them find it boring

Most the time we just get distracted doing other things, and even when we do get down and paint some models, we'll only hang out for a few hours a week when we can make time, and most my armies have taken me 100+ hours to assemble and paint.

I've also tried painting in my FLGS and didn't get far. It just takes so fething long and since my house is better equipped and I have a more comfortable chair than the FLGS, it just seems to be making life harder for no good reason.

I'm not saying social painting is bad, it's just in my experience social painting doesn't get an army done. If you manage to get your army done while social painting, I'm jealous
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Well, the key is to do it with your friends that also play 40k