Champions of Fenris rule clarifications

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**karlosovic**

So reading the fine print in "Champions of Fenris" supplement I draw the following conclusions:

1) any character of "faction: Space Wolves" may roll on the Champions of Fenris warlord table, regardless of the FOC chosen
2) characters may only select relics from the "RELICS OF THE GREAT WOLF" list if they are chosen as part of a
i) COMPANY OF THE GREAT WOLF DETACHMENT
ii) one of the formations presented in that supplement

Correct?

So if I want my Thunderlord to wield the Krakenbone Sword,... he's got to be a HQ choice in a "Champions of Fenris" detachment?
But a regular Thunderlord may lead a 'Combined Arms Detachment' and wield 'normal' Relics of the Fang' but still select a warlord power from "The Champions of Fenris"?

just checking my facts

**grendel083**

Yep seems fine.
Unlike relics there's no restriction on Traits that the Warlord be from a Detachment/Formation from the book.

**notbriang**

CHAMPIONS OF FENRIS SPECIAL RULES
If you use the Formations or the Company of the Great Wolf Detachment in this book, the following supplemental special rules apply to all of the units they contain.

RELICS OF THE GREAT WOLF
Any character that is part of a Detachment or Formation presented in this book that can select Relics of the Fang cannot select from those listed in Codex: Space Wolves, but can instead select from Relics of the Great Wolf, presented in their own section, following, at the points costs shown.

WARLORD TRAITS
When generating his Warlord Traits, a Space Wolves Warlord may choose to roll on the following table instead of those found in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules or Codex: Space Wolves.

Excerpt From: Games Workshop Ltd. “Champions of Fenris A Codex: Space Wolves Supplement.” iBooks.

**Tamwulf**

Kinda hard to follow what Notbriang was quoting, as it's typical GW Gibberish. If the character is using the Formation or Detachment rules of 'Champions of Fenris' (CoF), he has to use the Relics from CoF, and may choose to roll on either the Warlord traits table from the Space Wolves codex, or the Warlord traits from CoF.

If your Primary detachment/Formation is from CoF, and you have an allied detachment of Space Wolves, the allied detachment would have to use all the rules from the Space Wolves Codex, including the Warlord traits table contained within the Space Wolves Codex.

Clear as mud?

**AlexRae**

No, you can never access the warlord traits or relics from Champions of Fenris unless you select a detachment from those listed in the book.

A CAD would not meet those requirements

**Kangodo**

karlosovic wrote:
So reading the fine print in "Champions of Fenris" supplement I draw the following conclusions:

1) any character of "faction: Space Wolves" may roll on the Champions of Fenris warlord table, regardless of the FOC chosen
2) characters may only select relics from the "RELICS OF THE GREAT WOLF" list if they are chosen as part of a
i) COMPANY OF THE GREAT WOLF DETACHMENT
ii) one of the formations presented in that supplement

Correct?

No and 'semi'.

If you take a Detachment or a Formation from the Champion of Fenris-book, you have access to those Relics.
If the Warlord is in one of those Detachments or Formations from the CoF-book, you have access to the Warlord traits.

So if I want my Thunderlord to wield the Krakenbone Sword,... he's got to be a HQ choice in a "Champions of Fenris" detachment?
But a regular Thunderlord may lead a 'Combined Arms Detachment' and wield 'normal' Relics of the Fang' but still select a warlord power from "The Champions of Fenris"?

First one: Yes!
Second one: No, a Combined Arms Detachment is not a Detachment that can be found in the Supplement.

**karlosovic**

CHAMPIONS OF FENRIS SPECIAL RULES
If you use the Formations or the Company of the Great Wolf Detachment in this book, the following supplemental special rules apply to all of the units they contain.

SAGABORN
The Champions of Fenris comprise many of the mightiest heroes of the Space Wolves. They are the greatest of a warrior breed, their sagas long and filled with many deeds of courage and valour. Ever do they seek the opportunity to earn further renown and carve a legend that will live on for eternity in the annals of their Chapter.

Characters that are part of a Detachment or Formation presented in this book must always issue and accept a challenge whenever possible. If you have several models in a combat with a special rule to this effect, you can choose which model issues or accepts the challenge.

FIRST AMONG EQUALS
The Wolf Guard of the Space Wolves includes some of the deadliest fighters in the galaxy. To earn a place amongst such a hallowed warrior brotherhood is a dream to which all Sky Warriors aspire, but few achieve. As Great Wolf, Logan Grimnar can call upon the mightiest of even this esteemed company, the Kingsguard – valiant heroes who have defeated terrible foes and dread champions beyond counting to earn their place at the side of the High King of Fenris.

All Wolf Guard Battle Leaders, Wolf Guard Pack Leaders, Wolf Guard Terminator Leaders and Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leaders that are part of a Detachment or Formation presented in this book have the Preferred Enemy (characters) special rule when fighting in a challenge.

RELICS OF THE GREAT WOLF
Any character that is part of a Detachment or Formation presented in this book that can select Relics of the Fang cannot select from those listed in Codex: Space Wolves, but can instead select from Relics of the Great Wolf, presented in their own section, following, at the points costs shown.

WARLORD TRAITS
When generating his Warlord Traits, a Space Wolves Warlord may choose to roll on the following table instead of those found in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules or Codex: Space Wolves.

It's confusing because they establish a precedence in the first three rules, with the wording - "are part of a Detachment or Formation presented in this book"
The last rule uses specifically different wording - "a Space Wolves Warlord" - as if it's intended to be an exception to the summary at the top

So one could argue RAW in two ways, and once again GW has left us with a point of contention

**Kangodo**

I don't see the confusion?
If you use a Formation or Detachment from the supplement, the following special rules apply:
-Sagaborn
-First Among Equals
-Relics of the Great Wolf
-Warlord Traits

The most important wording would be: "the following supplemental special rules apply to all of the units they contain."
If you take a CAD, for example, your Warlord from that Detachment does not have access to a rule that allows him to roll on the Supplement-Warlord Traits.

**Wolf Lord Kevin**

How does The Pelt of Balewolf work again things that automatically pass Fear tests without being Fearless or having ATSKNF? Such things like Daemons and stuff. Because as the pelt's rules say, that against a Beast, Calvary or Monstrous Creature unit type automatically fail Fear Tests when facing the bearer & his unit. But Daemons have their Daemon rule which makes then automatically pass Fear tests.

So what's happening here is Auto-Fail vs Auto Pass. Which one wins?

**Happyjew**

RAW, unknown until GW FAQs it.

HIWPI, Sequencing. Since both occur at the same time (at the moment of taking the test), the current player would choose the order to apply.

So on SW turn, he decides to resolve the auto-fail first. On the Daemon player's turn, he would invoke Daemon first.

Also, in the future, please do not revive 7 month dead threads.

**Wolf Lord Kevin**

Right sorry heh ^^; Was googling an answer and saw the thread. DIdn't pay attention to how long it was dead for...But hey the topic of it fitted well with the question but I will try to avoid reviving dead threads ^^;