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Acheros wrote:

Rx8Speed wrote:
If money is not too much of a concern go for an all daemon army. I have an eldar army but I wish I had started with daemons. You can magnetize the bases to play 40k and fantasy with them (I think fantasy is more the type of game you are looking for anyways). It also doesn't really matter what you put into it, you are going to have a horde of daemons summoning more daemons. To me that sounds cool, fluffy and fun! Triple threat! Plus you can get some really big scary things which are always fun

well, it's a little concern, I'm not looking to spend 7-800 bucks on something I end up never really playing with, but 2 or 300? eh, I can take the risk for a new hobby. Maybe even 400.

as for fantasy. I've thought about it, but fantasy stuff isn't really my thing. Except maybe the Vampire Court, and Teentchian daemons. Might look into it more later though, but I was also under the impression that WHFB not only required more minis to play(thus increasing the cost), but also isn't as popular(thus making it less likely to actually find people to play with)

You know its been a long time since I looked at the prices for daemons, I just looked at the sight and it's not actually too bad. $35(CAN) for 10 models is probably one of the cheapest infantry boxes out there. Also you definitely need more models for fantasy but I'm going to go ahead and say you need a lot of models either way. To play a 1500pt game with daemons you would probably need at least 2500pts in models to account for the daemons that you conjure.

Also fantasy is definitely less popular but is still played. I actually like it better if the intent is to play a large battle. Generally I think there are less power gamers in fantasy as well seeing as it is (debatably of course) more about tactical movement and deployment rather than what you bring to the table and dice luck. Also even though it is less popular than 40k it is probably more popular than some of the other games that were mentioned.

But after all is said and done I would probably assume you would be spending over $400 to play any army at 1500pts. After buying paints, brushes, glue, modeling tools plus all of your models.

@OP. The answer to your original question is yes. 40k is a fun game and a great hobby.

I have played this game for many years. I have played through five editions. I have played at several different stores and been through many so-called 'metas.' I have always had fun and made many good friends along the way.

Having said that, there are a lot of great games out there right now with large and devoted followings. I suggest finding a game that interests you and has a group of players that are fun to be around. You will have a great time and make some good friends. That's what it is all about in my opinion.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Las wrote:
Absolutely yes. 40k is in my opinion best when played with your sort of attitude. The trick is finding people who match your take on the game.

I can't agree with this. Even if you find people who match a fun take on the game, there's such a vast disparity in balance/playability between fun forces that it's easy for the OP to like an army that is ultimately useless and for an opponent to have a fluffy/fun army that happens to be on the opposite end of the spectrum.

In my experience this has not been the case. My 40k group has a blast playing, our games are always enjoyable and very rarely does someone get completely stomped even with *gasp!* an Eldar player.

@OP - I can sympathize; the local meta is going to be the deciding factor.

I, much like you, have a local meta that doesn't fit my desired play style. The meta here is strictly beat-face tournament play - nothing else, not even a passing glance. Narrative play = ROFL. Painting = Who give a gak about painting and/or talent... it's all about the Win. This is only the tip of the iceberg as to how tournament driven and inflexible the meta is in my area.

I hate it.

Good luck finding anyone who wants to play 40k "for fun".
Last "fun, fluffy" game I arranged: showed up with a fluff list of my own, the other guy? double riptide Tau gunline with Eldar ally.

If you like the hobby, build an army you enjoy - get a game in when you get the itch. But dont expect to find a community waiting to indulge you in fun, friendly matches. All Ive encountered are WAAC netlisters at best, cheaters and manchildren at worst.

Every game system currently popular has cheaters, net listers, and man children.

These people are best avoided when possible. There are also plenty of other cool, fun players out there.

Also remember that there are different levels of competitiveness within the definition of fluffy lists.

Simply bring multiple list ideas of varying competitive levels with you. If your opponent is given to playing highly competitive lists, then he/she faces your appropriately competitive list. You will just need to monitor yourself in this case to be sure that you do not always try to 'one up' your opponent's list. It is easy to succumb to that temptation.

 Chaos Legionnaire wrote:
Every game system currently popular has cheaters, net listers, and man children.

They just seem to have a bigger impact on 40k.

Simply bring multiple list ideas of varying competitive levels with you. If your opponent is given to playing highly competitive lists, then he/she faces your appropriately competitive list. You will just need to monitor yourself in this case to be sure that you do not always try to 'one up' your opponent's list. It is easy to succumb to that temptation.

It's because of this I really struggle to recommend 40k to new players. Players who already have large collections? Sure. But telling a new player that really expensive game also requires you to make multiple lists depending on your opponent, which more often than not means you're buying even more expensive models and what not, makes it a hard game to recommend.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Chaos Legionnaire wrote:
Every game system currently popular has cheaters, net listers, and man children.

They just seem to have a bigger impact on 40k.

Simply bring multiple list ideas of varying competitive levels with you. If your opponent is given to playing highly competitive lists, then he/she faces your appropriately competitive list. You will just need to monitor yourself in this case to be sure that you do not always try to 'one up' your opponent's list. It is easy to succumb to that temptation.

It's because of this I really struggle to recommend 40k to new players. Players who already have large collections? Sure. But telling a new player that really expensive game also requires you to make multiple lists depending on your opponent, which more often than not means you're buying even more expensive models and what not, makes it a hard game to recommend.

Exalted for truth. Those kinds of players can ruin 40k a lot more because there's such a huge gap between lists, so that a fluffy list might have zero chance of winning against a netlist; you don't find that in other games. In Warmachine you can bring a netlist and get stomped by a better player, because it's not just your list but how you use it. But 40k encourages a huge collection (convenient, eh?) of expensive figures and even then you can lose just because you like how Unit A looks over Unit B.

Thus my recommendation toward using discretion and not trying to one up the opponent.
I have no difficulty determining what kind of opponent I am facing and what is appropriate.
The idea is for both players to have fun. If a person is no fun to spend 3 hours at a table with, then I will not play against that person. Nothing personal, of course, they just have different goals and obviously a different idea of fun.
You will recall that my recommendations were true for all games, not just 40k.

I think that you will find that we agree on many issues regarding the problems inherent to 40k.
I believe that the root of the problems which we are discussing have more to do with personality issues of certain gamers.

Yeah, but other games don't have nearly as much of a problem as 40k and if you're having to bring multiple lists to tailor depending on what sort of game your opponent wants to play, you're typically having to buy even more models for a game that is already very expensive and time consuming to paint/assemble. Hence why I say it's a hard game to recommend to a new player.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Yeah, but other games don't have nearly as much of a problem as 40k and if you're having to bring multiple lists to tailor depending on what sort of game your opponent wants to play, you're typically having to buy even more models for a game that is already very expensive and time consuming to paint/assemble. Hence why I say it's a hard game to recommend to a new player.

"You'll be paying in the ballpark of $600 or more for a full sized army," is a hard sell for anyone. (Much more if you want to play SOB.)

QFT.
I do find the price to overwhelmingly be the deal breaker when talking to someone about getting into 40k.
The old 'every hobby can be expensive' argument rarely works either.
I find 40k to be a great game if you have the right group of players.
It does require a substantial financial commitment. I think that $600 for an army is putting it rather mildly.

since 7th started we had 0 new players. The fact that everyone to start playing needs a high cost rule book, a codex , fortification supplement is a barrier no one can cross and when one mentions that some armies aren't playable without ally or formations and that the army itself will cost around 600-700$ , most people decide to play other system or stick to card games.

Just my experience, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwiYNYlqJL0

You might like to pick up a handful of used books and models to paint on ebay, but the full buy-in price is just ludicrous. You'll tend to either end up with next to no local games, or the same min/max meta as the other games.

Overall if you want to play fluffy, fun games, MOST of the time, the game is probably not for you, unless you get into it with a bunch of friends who are in the same boat as you. IT would probably come down to you declining a bunch of games with people who build stupid lists that aren't fun to play against.

 Boggy Man wrote:
Just my experience, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwiYNYlqJL0

This.

Buy and paint models you might and enjoy. If that turns into an army, then try it out. If funds are limited and you want an actual fair game, go for something else.