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still trying to figure out how to counter massed crisis suits with a AM troop/armor mix list...seems they shoot and jet off even before i can line up some solid heavy shots. I run a bit of barrage and quite a few lemans but they just scurry off behind buildings after putting a nice hole in my units...

I'd take some more barrage units. They'll be useful against pretty much any list, with or without Crisis suits.

A Basilisk barrage should make them very sad. It causes ID and ignores their armor.

Barrage weapons are the only answer. Wyverns are pretty awesome at generating reliable wounds on a target, are inexpensive and can usually find a place on a standard AM list.
Whilst they might not ID the suits or ignore their armour like a basilisk, they do not have an obscene minimum range, and are more useful outside of this scenario imo (for example: hitting those pesky eldar jetbikes that hide all game and claim objectives).

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
Barrage weapons are the only answer. Wyverns are pretty awesome at generating reliable wounds on a target, are inexpensive and can usually find a place on a standard AM list.
Whilst they might not ID the suits or ignore their armour like a basilisk, they do not have an obscene minimum range, and are more useful outside of this scenario imo (for example: hitting those pesky eldar jetbikes that hide all game and claim objectives).

The key with wyverns is that they can stack multiple hits with re rolls to scatter and wound. At half the price, I'd take a Wyvern over a basilisk.

i run one of each..i do find the wyveren is underestimated..biggest flaw i found to both the shell lobber and the wyveren is that they are deep strike bait lol

If they are deep striking in to take out one wyvern then that is a win for you surely? The are so cheap. Certainly cheaper than the squad needed to DS and take it out.

mostly the basalisk is the target..wyv is a minor target

If you know they're gona deepstrike and take down your artillery, use it to your advantage. Bauble wrap + edge deployment. Or just exchange.

Crimson Heretic wrote:
still trying to figure out how to counter massed crisis suits with a AM troop/armor mix list...seems they shoot and jet off even before i can line up some solid heavy shots. I run a bit of barrage and quite a few lemans but they just scurry off behind buildings after putting a nice hole in my units...

A unit of rough riders deployed behind your high-value vehicles should keep them out of melta range or at least let you wipe them out if they do get too close. Armoured Sentinels are also a good revenge-assault unit; they lack the speed and hitting power of Rough Riders, but are much tougher and provide reasonably priced fire support if nobody comes close.

If they are using buildings on your side of the table to hide behind, use infantry to block off the best hiding spots. AM infantry are cheap enough that you can slap down a squad with a mortar anywhere on the table and not worry too much about wasting points.

If they are making long-range shots with missile pods, then Hellhounds or Wyverns might be the way to go.

this is a bit off topic but it kind of makes me go can a leman fire both sponsons at a unit in front of it?

Crimson Heretic wrote:
this is a bit off topic but it kind of makes me go can a leman fire both sponsons at a unit in front of it?

If you can draw LoS from both sponsons to it, yes. Not that hard if it's a big unit or spread out.

does anybody have any luck with tempust squads? seems like mine are a hail mary play

Crimson Heretic wrote:
hail mary play

what does this exactly mean?

Zsolt wrote:

Crimson Heretic wrote:
hail mary play

what does this exactly mean?

its an american football play, but it pretty much means suicide mission

Crimson Heretic wrote:
its an american football play, but it pretty much means suicide mission

that is why I prefer the GOTH acronym, or GO To Hell - for when you face something that you are absolutely unprepared for, but still want to see what you can do before your are slaughtered.

OT- missile launchers or lascannons in infantry squads in chimeras? either can instakill crisis suits. how about basilisks like others have said? or CCS masters of Ordnance? if you decide to use chimeras, try to keep a heavy flamer on the hulls to strip the ablative wounds on the squads if they should do the 'dumb' thing and close the range.

Ordinance barrage ftw.

MOO is too inaccurate so I'd generally go with WVY for wound stacking.

For epic lulz, go Deathstrike.

 koooaei wrote:
If you know they're gona deepstrike and take down your artillery, use it to your advantage. Bauble wrap + edge deployment. Or just exchange.

That's how I'd play it. DS Crisis Suits are relying on being able to deep strike behind enemies and fire into their soft underbellies. If you bunch up all your guard forces into a side or corner of a table, then his suits will have fewer options for positional play. Once all his suits have arrived from reserves, you can start breaking out your force and go for objectives or kills.

I run 2 demolishers bubblewrapped with blobs, its usually enough to make anyone think twice about deep striking within 24".