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Grarg wrote:
They are selling 2 dreadnoughts, a sonic and a regular. You get 2 dreadnought models, but can only field one of them without buying another arm or 2. You can either use the sonic variant or the regular one, the sonic weapons can't be used by a regular dreadnought.

As far as i can tell, all their bundles come with enough stuff to field all the models without buying extra (i could be wrong here).

EDIT: Actually, you can't field a regular dreadnought, the chainfist and missile launcher are on the same arm.....

You could field two sonic dreadnoughts with the kit though. The only difference between the chassis of the one thats labeled 'sonic' and the one thats not labeled 'sonic' is the doom siren on the top but you could easily say its represented by the speaker on the front.

The kits definitely aren't sold with enough to field all the models in general. Look at the renegade bundle. You need about another $400 worth of cadian boxes to field what they show in the picture, most of that bundel is just upgrade/conversion kits.

They sold another 50 LE Conquest books! Thankfully they mailed me again to let me know.

Me too, thank god, I'd been worried about it all day.

Oh God I'd best order as they only have 500 left!

I would suggest everybody expresses their displeasure at FW next time they order, I certainly will.

 Commander Cain wrote:
I'm actually a fan of the new stormhammer design. The double turreted version just looked too busy and messy. This version I can actually picture being a real tank and looks very compact and deadly.

This is how I feel about it- the only thing I don't like is the single barrelled main weapon on the turret, IMO is would look better if that was also a double weapon like the original model. Other than that, it looks very bulky and suitably like a mobile fortress bristling with firepower. I particularly like how they have made the Baneblade chassis look suitably reinforced and armoured to justify the additional hull point. It really looks like it can take a beating and deal it out in return. I would say it is suited to urban warfare, from the way the sponsons cover all-round on the flanks.

 Looky Likey wrote:
Oh God I'd best order as they only have 500 left!

I would suggest everybody expresses their displeasure at FW next time they order, I certainly will.

Better yet, wait for them to sell out, then call them three times a day to ask if they've got any left!

Anyone have a pic of the new stormhammer for the work-blocked?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... I like the bank of guns on the side... but that's not a Stormhammer.

I said the same thing about the Stormblade for not having the racks of missiles.

Different by orders of magnitude. It still looked like a Stormblade.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... I like the bank of guns on the side... but that's not a Stormhammer.

I said the same thing about the Stormblade for not having the racks of missiles.

Different by orders of magnitude. It still looked like a Stormblade.

Says you.

No, really, it did. The Stormblade was pretty much a Shadowsword with a different gun, plus a middile on top of its gun, and then a rack of missiles on the side. Take those missiles away and it looks pretty much the same. This... thing... on the other hand looks nothing like a Stormhammer. It only has one turret, that turret only has a single barrel, and it sits on top of a limited-movement double-barrelled gun. The idea that it's as different to an actual Stormhammer as the FW Stormblade was to the original Epic Stormblade is just absurd.

Honestly, why does anyone care about the old epic models? Many of them were just plain ugly designs, and the limits of epic-scale metal casting became painfully obvious when Armorcast scaled them up to 28mm size. FW is doing exactly what they should: keep some elements of the original models as inspiration, but throw out the rest.

I guess people just like different things?

And one of those things is the previous version of the Stormhammer?

And when FW says "Stormhammer" and then releases...this one, well, some people are then disappointed?

I'll reserve final judgement until we see the actual model, but so far I am...disappointed.

Hopefully the actual model will change my mind.

 Peregrine wrote:
Honestly, why does anyone care about the old epic models?

"Stop liking the things you like!"

Well, it's still easy to make the twin turret version. As already pictured earlier, the conversion bits can be purchased from the Blood and Skulls Industry Ebay store. And probably cheaper to buy them and a plastic Baneblade than it would be to buy the FW version.

There's still room for an alternate pattern in the future. There seem to be quite a few fans of the old Stormhammer (I had never heard of it until someone, I think Alpharius, voiced their hopes for a Stormhammer), and it wouldn't be unusual for Forge World to take this criticism and make one more similar to that excellent conversion. What's the point in making a such an old and little-known vehicle if not to cater to its fans?

I don't think there's any real chance of a new version. Let's take a look at the old model:



Notice how the front turret has a really narrow arc of fire anyway, no better than the casemate mounted battlecannons on the FW model. So the turret makes no sense, it just has weaker armor and a more complicated design with no advantages to make up for it. So that leaves the change to the main gun, which was also inevitable. A Baneblade-size tank with nothing better than STR 8 AP 3 (precedent from the Macharius and Minotaur is that double guns = bigger blast but no extra strength) would suck, so that means making a bigger gun. And a double Baneblade cannon turret would just look stupid. Conclusion: double battlecannons in a hull mount, single large main gun. These changes were made for good reasons, and I can't see FW going back to the old epic model after putting that much work into the current one.

I agree with everything you're saying, but it just seems that the demand for it is there, plus the fact that the twin turrets seem to be the major defining feature of the Stormhammer. This tank, while cool, doesn't have that singular trait that "makes" the Stormhammer for some people, and I understand that. I just wouldn't be surprised if they put out a variant with two dual battle cannons (twin-linked is useless), although I wouldn't hope for it either.

They could certainly design something that would allow the tank to look the part while being functional. This famous conversion is pretty close to that.

That tank has 24 barrels.

That's what makes it so good!

It always amuses me to see a guy with a pintle-mounted storm bolter on things like this. It's almost like it's only there to make the rest of the weapons look better.

I for one like the new design, but then again I never cared for the old design, it just felt so.. "why? That's just stupid even with Epic standards."

2 new Solar Auxilia tanks today, gents.


Basilisk



http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SOLAR_AUXILIA_BASILISK.html


Medusa


[url]
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SOLAR_AUXILIA_MEDUSA.html[/url]

Goodness, I like those a lot.

The stormhammer is such an absurd tank with way too many turrets and guns.. It makes absolutely no sense with how its designed.

That's what makes it so awesome and fits in with Imperium design.

I like those but I can't help feel that the guys inside would have to be rather squat not to have to crouch due to the low ceiling. I prefer the Armageddon pattern.

Got my copy of Conquest yesterday and its a big improvement over the other books in terms of layout, the armory section is actually alphabetical for once and lists all of the weapons so no more hunting around for weapons profiles. The limited edition (did you know only 500 left ) card's are also very useful with all the weapons profiles on them. The poster is useless for me as was the one in IA13 as it was folded, FW need to offer an upgrade option again for rolled posters.

The relics cover ALL of the legions not just the ones covered in books 1-3, as does the amazing looking campaign rules, which also include city fighting. The campaign rules give you the perfect base for campaigns of any size or length. Some of the deployment types are a little strange, constraining one side to deploying in effectively a 7" blast template and so on, so I'm not sure they are best suited to competitive play without further work but fun for friendly games.

The allies table makes mention of Agents of both the Emperor and the Warmaster, hopefully these will come in book 5 as promised as they read like they work the same as Assassins from the Assassins codex but a much wider types of Agent. Would be nice to see some proto Grey Knights (Garro!) to help counter the coming Daemons.

The Solar list and Knight list have been covered elsewhere but are both great. Solar they can be taken for either side, which is a nice touch. The Knight list is what GW should have released in the first place. I get the impression that they are done with Imperial Knights for a while now as the list makes no mention of new units (FW are happy releasing rules without models still seemingly) and this list feels self contained. I would hope we would see Chaos Knights in book 6 with the first models launching ahead of that.

If you only play SM or Mechanicum then I'm not sure this book is a must have, the relics are a nice touch but only a few per Legion, I guess it depends on how much you want the Campaign rules.

*scratches left arm*

It's been hours since they last told us how many Ltd. Ed. copies were left. I need to know man. NEED!

 Looky Likey wrote:
I like those but I can't help feel that the guys inside would have to be rather squat not to have to crouch due to the low ceiling. I prefer the Armageddon pattern.

It's actually not too bad. I've got a LRBT and Armageddon-pattern Medusa on my desk here and it looks like the 30k artillery tanks have a crew compartment that's about the same height as the Armageddon-pattern versions. And the Armageddon-pattern interior actually has a lot of extra height inside, assuming you're using true-28mm infantry like the DKoK models and not "heroic" scale stuff like the GW Cadians.

I'll still probably stick to the older tanks though, unless by some miracle the new ones have a full interior that just isn't shown in any of the pictures. They're not a bad design and I'm kind of tempted by them, but I really love the interior detail on the Armageddon-pattern tanks.

Forgeworld has their October Top Ten posted.

10 Questoris Knight Magaera
9 Cerastus Knight-Castigator
8 Archmagos Draykavac / Archmagos
7 Imperial Armour Volume Five: The Siege of Vraks - Part One
6 Legion Sicaran Battle Tank
5 The Horus Heresy Book Three: Extermination
4 Vulkan Primarch of the Salamanders
3 Imperial Armour Volume 4 - The Anphelion Project, Second Edition
2 Tau XV107 Y'vahra Battlesuit
1 Imperial Armour Volume 13 - War Machines of the Lost and the Damned

Not surprising that the latest IA is #1. Nice to see that it also clearly boosted sales of the Sicaran to move it into the #6 spot. I'm betting Vraks is up there because of it's the nice sale price they were selling it at to unload it.
I do hope all those Y'vahra buyers won't be too unhappy when Forgeworld finalizes the rules for it, because I doubt the final version will be the same as the experimental.

Finally got to look at Conquest, and my advice is simple: BUY THIS BOOK. The campaign and mission systems make a cruel joke of everything "main GW" has published in the past few years, and are worth the cost of the book even if you don't care at all about the 30k setting.

And reading their explanation of the FOC is just hilarious. In slightly less polite terms: "you know all that idiocy about unbound armies, everything being scoring, and unrestricted LoW? Don't use any of it."

So are the Auxilia rules for those Bassies and Medusas basically just up armoured standard Bassies and Medusas?

I'm picturing the armour layout of a Russ, with an increased points cost. Am I at least in the ballpark, for someone with the book?

I'll probably end up getting this book anyways, as I'm quite happy with the other HH book I have, and another way to play Guard is always welcome.

New tanks look sweet.

 Blacksails wrote:
I'm picturing the armour layout of a Russ, with an increased points cost. Am I at least in the ballpark, for someone with the book?

Pretty much. Only AV 13 on the front though, and no hull gun (but you can take a pintle HF/HB/multilaser like all tanks in the list).