Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : P99 Bulletin #50

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**Snrub**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now all I can imagine is that in this alternate timeline Carmen Sandiego is the head of the Alpha Legioness.

I want this to be a thing. Someone make this a thing.

**BrookM**

Ordered me a Veletaris Storm Section, they'll make for a fun once in a blue moon unit I'll throw into games as either storm troopers, or thanks to the Solar Auxiliary army list, the personal guard of a Rogue Trader.

**BaronIveagh**

Snrub wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now all I can imagine is that in this alternate timeline Carmen Sandiego is the head of the Alpha Legioness.
I want this to be a thing. Someone make this a thing.

Done.

**Padre**

Theophony wrote:
Helmeted versions of all primarchs will be the second wave to help shore up GW financials. Each primarch will have a slightly altered pose but have a custom helmet that exemplifies their character....except Ferrus Manus(for obvious reasons ). After these are released (circa2023) then they will begin with the fallen/demonic primarchs. Not to be outdone the goody goody two shoes primarchs will get a release as well. Then will come the "you asked for it" alternative primarchs where the good guys went bad and the bad guys stayed true to the Emperor, of course this will add another decade or two into the production lines as each chapter will need all new contemptors, relic contemptors, high definition contemptors, and sparkly princess contemptors which are the prelude to the alternate alternate universe where the Emperoress created all female primarchs, and only females can become space marines. Lawsuits will occur at this point as others in roach on GWs IP and create alternative male marines to sell to those goofy players who want to write against the narrative and try and come up with a plausible male marine chapter even though it's Anatomically impossible. True scale marines will come out after the IP wars are settled at a loss to the bottom line, but instead of changing the height of the models to make them "true scale" Mat Ward (the new CEO of GW in 2045) will have directed the design team to true scale the breasts of the female marines. The tactical squads will have 200 plus parts on the sprue, of which 170 are different sized breasts that can be glued on using only Citadel Fineglue, thus allowing "true scaled to your preference". If you are still reading at this point then my morning really wasn't wasted, but yours was. Every army needs a great enemy to fight and after the defeat of Chaos, the Eldar and their Dark cousins, womankind faces its worst nightmare, the return of the squats, signaling the end of days.

Theo, I don't know what worries me more...

The fact that you went to all this trouble -

OR the fact that some of this is actually plausible...

**Wyzilla**

BrookM wrote:
Oh my days.

I must get this, even if I lack the painting skills to do the figure justice and thus the raw resin will just sit on a shelf.

**warboss**

If anyone gets the Curze model, can you post a pic of the parts here on dakka? I'm curious about the parts breakdown and the conversion potential for the model. It looks like the back cape will probably be a separate piece but I'm not sure about the front cloth/flayed skin.

**Ashiraya**

The paintjob does not do the face justice IMO. It's far better than it first seemed.

**Wyzilla**

Ashiraya wrote:
The paintjob does not do the face justice IMO. It's far better than it first seemed.

Yeah, the paintjob also botched the details on his leg. The painted version doesn't even look like it has fine detail on the legs, just a flat hand painted item.

**pantheralegionnaire**

I really like the model--he's perched high up, as though he's just withdrawn from combat and is ready to pounce back on top of someone. I think the "Predator" claws are very cool--definitely evocative of evisceration or maiming, which has clearly just happened to that Solar Auxilia trooper. I also like the size difference between him and Vulkan or Horus, and he does not look that much bigger than the other Night Lord.

I don't love the paint job either; I think it should be darker like some others. I also don't like the gold part of the ruined structure where it looks like it should be rock; I would want the base to be darker, too, with him shadowy and blending into it a bit if possible. The only think I am missing is more emphasis on the throwing knives. It looks like there is one attached to his shoulder pad (maybe?) but I would like a little string of them on his waist or something, since he's got no ranged weapon.

I don't own any of the Primarch models (waiting for Sanguinius and the Lion) but this one to me is the coolest since the original Angron. Maybe it's just the appeal of such a damaged and torn character, but I think the model is threatening, fits the backstory and tactics, and it definitely appeals to me. If I didn't abhor the "bad guys" in 40k, I'd be very tempted by these Night Lords.

**farmersboy**

It's a nice figure, but my first thought on seeing the painted one was the same as many others I think - "he's not exactly midnight clad is he?"

**Frozen Ocean**

It's a pity that there's no helmet.

**warboss**

Frozen Ocean wrote:
It's a pity that there's no helmet.

I think he has a great head sculpt. I'm actually glad they didn't put on a helmet for several reasons. Primarchs are for alot of people not just game models but display pieces and visual centerpoints of their armies and a bare head helps in that regard. The second one that comes to mind is those god awful bat wing helmets the nightlords got back in 3rd edition. The potential for screwing up the model with a ridiculous hat that would make an Alpha Legionairre cringe and look like it came straight out of the 1960's Adam West Batman tv show is quite high even for forgeworld.

**Frozen Ocean**

With modern design, I doubt they'd just go with the silly batwings. That's like saying they should never have made Daemon Angron because his model in Epic was ludicrous.

Being a display piece has nothing to do with whether or not they include a helmet (especially when it's an option), because it's entirely aesthetic preference. I very much like people in armour to wear helmets, and helmets absolutely can be cool and just as distinct, if not more distinct, than a face.

**Midnightdeathblade**

Frozen Ocean wrote:
It's a pity that there's no helmet.

It was to my understanding that Kurze never wore a helmet. He preferred his own snarling visage. He often wore an adamantium crown which would've been awesome to see.

**Midnightdeathblade**

If any primarch deserved a helmet so far it was vulkan. And I was quite disappointed by that. I still bought him though.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Love it! This gives me hope that my Primarch Corax will be next. Can't wait!

**angelofvengeance**

farmersboy wrote:
It's a nice figure, but my first thought on seeing the painted one was the same as many others I think - "he's not exactly midnight clad is he?"

I'm sure someone's going to do a better paint job on him soon.

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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Love it! This gives me hope that my Primarch Corax will be next. Can't wait!

TBH I'm not really looking forward to Corax. He looks ridiculous with that jump pack (at least from the artwork I've seen) and he has an awful hairstyle lol. Looks like some sort of 70s reject.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

angelofvengeance wrote:
farmersboy wrote:
It's a nice figure, but my first thought on seeing the painted one was the same as many others I think - "he's not exactly midnight clad is he?"

I'm sure someone's going to do a better paint job on him soon.

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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Love it! This gives me hope that my Primarch Corax will be next. Can't wait!

TBH I'm not really looking forward to Corax. He looks ridiculous with that jump pack (at least from the artwork I've seen) and he has an awful hairstyle lol. Looks like some sort of 70s reject.

The Raven Guard have a Native American influence, like Space Wolves and their Nordic influences, Ultramaines and greco roman.

I quite like coraxs depictions. For my 40k captain. I used an anvil industry head very similar to coraxs long hair.

**Ashiraya**

I love Corax's depictions, really!

A primarch with a jump pack is a badass concept.

**Theophony**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
farmersboy wrote:
It's a nice figure, but my first thought on seeing the painted one was the same as many others I think - "he's not exactly midnight clad is he?"

I'm sure someone's going to do a better paint job on him soon.

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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Love it! This gives me hope that my Primarch Corax will be next. Can't wait!

TBH I'm not really looking forward to Corax. He looks ridiculous with that jump pack (at least from the artwork I've seen) and he has an awful hairstyle lol. Looks like some sort of 70s reject.

The Raven Guard have a Native American influence, like Space Wolves and their Nordic influences, Ultramaines and greco roman.

I quite like coraxs depictions. For my 40k captain. I used an anvil industry head very similar to coraxs long hair.

I thought they changed that to be more Pacific Islander influences in the fluff. Hence the space sharks and ritual/tribal tattoos.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Ashiraya wrote:
I love Corax's depictions, really!

A primarch with a jump pack is a badass concept.

Corax literally gutted Lorgar and severed his spine, then went toe to toe with Konrad Kurze and lived.

So, yeah. badass/

**Haighus**

Yeah, FW has taken the Raven Guard fluff down the Pacific islander/Aborigine route. I like their style as portrayed by FW personally.

**Looky Likey**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
I love Corax's depictions, really!

A primarch with a jump pack is a badass concept.

Corax literally gutted Lorgar and severed his spine, then went toe to toe with Konrad Kurze and lived.

So, yeah. badass/

That was runt Logar though, the one that everybody stole the lunch money from!

I'm hopeful we'll see one more then Guilliman, i think all the UM stuff will be out quickly after the launch of HH 5.

**STC_LogisEngine**

You all do realise that the XIXth -NEVER- had a native american cultural tint in any official fluff right? It's completely derrived from the fanbase.
Also, concider the fluff. Prison-moon colony, children born prisoners.. The Raven Guard has always been Aussies!

The Deathwing (40k) did however have a distinct native american flavour for much of 3d/4th/5th ed. that (thankfully) have been supressed heavily and as good as extinguished in todays miniatures and publications, it was always an ill-fit with the 1st legion.

Also, the Aboriginal / Maori / South Pacific mish-mash that forms the expanded cultural basis for the Ravens is awsome and lends distinction and great painting-opportunities.

**the shrouded lord**

holly crap they are. wow, I find myself disliking raven guard less.

**CURNOW**

He needs a utility belt !

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

STC_LogisEngine wrote:

You all do realise that the XIXth -NEVER- had a native american cultural tint in any official fluff right? It's completely derrived from the fanbase.

[...]

Also, the Aboriginal / Maori / South Pacific mish-mash that forms the expanded cultural basis for the Ravens is awsome and lends distinction and great painting-opportunities.

Pfft. Native American... Aboriginal/Maori... Same difference.

Native American is how I interpreted it.

**Alpharius**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
STC_LogisEngine wrote:

You all do realise that the XIXth -NEVER- had a native american cultural tint in any official fluff right? It's completely derrived from the fanbase.

[...]

Also, the Aboriginal / Maori / South Pacific mish-mash that forms the expanded cultural basis for the Ravens is awsome and lends distinction and great painting-opportunities.

Pfft. Native American... Aboriginal/Maori... Same difference.

Not really even close!

**Fango**

STC_LogisEngine wrote:

The Deathwing (40k) did however have a distinct native american flavour for much of 3d/4th/5th ed. that (thankfully) have been supressed heavily and as good as extinguished in todays miniatures and publications, it was always an ill-fit with the 1st legion.

I actually liked the Native American influence in the Deathwing (which originates from the fluff in the 1st edition Space Hulk expansion 'Deathwing'). I'm not sure why it's an ill-fit. I plan to convert my Deathwing terminators to showcase that. I figure some of the space wolf heads and marauder horsemen heads would work with a bit of converting/minor sculpting.

Deathwing Fiction

They can retcon all they want, that doesn't change the fact that the fluff in that expansion explains why the Death Company have white armor, instead of the original First Legion color's (Black).

One of my favorite illustrations in that book was the three helmet-less terminators walking down that narrow hive city street.

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On a more Forgeworld related note...with the massively insane prices on these primarch model kits, I won't be considering a purchase until we see Lion El Johnson, Russ or Sanguinius.

**warboss**

Alpharius wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
STC_LogisEngine wrote:

You all do realise that the XIXth -NEVER- had a native american cultural tint in any official fluff right? It's completely derrived from the fanbase.

[...]

Also, the Aboriginal / Maori / South Pacific mish-mash that forms the expanded cultural basis for the Ravens is awsome and lends distinction and great painting-opportunities.

Pfft. Native American... Aboriginal/Maori... Same difference.

Not really even close!

Some limeys just can't keep all those ex-colonials straight! New Jersey... New Zealand... what's the difference?