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It is quite worrisome that many people do not seem to be taking this more seriously.
The amount of mistakes made in handling this first case are astounding. Turning the patient away, slow response on quarantining his direct contacts, improperly quarantining his contacts, not cleaning up the Vomit until days later, etc.
Now imagine if there were another 10, 20, 50 cases where there were this many mistakes made? I think the CDC would quickly be stretched quite thin and I don't believe state or county health departments would be prepared to step it up. For example here in Illinois budget cuts have made it so that the health department is very, very, slim.
I also think any sort of overconfidence in our healthcare system will only be to our detriment. Sure we may have a "first world" system (whatever that even means), but that is only as good as the weakest link which was glaring in this first case.
Also something I have noticed many people aren't bringing up is what will happen if the virus is brought to other developing countries such as India, Mexico, Philippines, etc. Do those places have the infrastructure to effectively contain an outbreak? And if an outbreak occurred there than what should be the rest of the world's response?
Theres a big difference between fear mongering and being concerned. Hand waving and mocking concerned people surely will not help the situation at all.
Sandinistato wrote: It is quite worrisome that many people do not seem to be taking this more seriously.
The amount of mistakes made in handling this first case are astounding. Turning the patient away, slow response on quarantining his direct contacts, improperly quarantining his contacts, not cleaning up the Vomit until days later, etc.
Now imagine if there were another 10, 20, 50 cases where there were this many mistakes made? I think the CDC would quickly be stretched quite thin and I don't believe state or county health departments would be prepared to step it up. For example here in Illinois budget cuts have made it so that the health department is very, very, slim.
I also think any sort of overconfidence in our healthcare system will only be to our detriment. Sure we may have a "first world" system (whatever that even means), but that is only as good as the weakest link which was glaring in this first case.
Also something I have noticed many people aren't bringing up is what will happen if the virus is brought to other developing countries such as India, Mexico, Philippines, etc. Do those places have the infrastructure to effectively contain an outbreak? And if an outbreak occurred there than what should be the rest of the world's response?
Theres a big difference between fear mongering and being concerned. Hand waving and mocking concerned people surely will not help the situation at all.
I agree completely. There's too much complacency and incompetency involved and the overconfidence in the healthcare system doesn't help. If the virus does get a hold due to said incompetency and complacency, I think we'd soon be seeing the healthcare system isn't the "tower defense" some people think it is.
On the subject of somewhere like India getting the virus, it would go ballistic due to the lack of hygiene. Alot of areas still have open sewers in the alleyways they frequently travel and a hell of alot of people go barefoot. Some areas still dispose of the dead in the rivers they get water from, bath in and do their washing too.
Sandinistato wrote: It is quite worrisome that many people do not seem to be taking this more seriously.
The amount of mistakes made in handling this first case are astounding. Turning the patient away, slow response on quarantining his direct contacts, improperly quarantining his contacts, not cleaning up the Vomit until days later, etc.
Now imagine if there were another 10, 20, 50 cases where there were this many mistakes made? I think the CDC would quickly be stretched quite thin and I don't believe state or county health departments would be prepared to step it up. For example here in Illinois budget cuts have made it so that the health department is very, very, slim.
I also think any sort of overconfidence in our healthcare system will only be to our detriment. Sure we may have a "first world" system (whatever that even means), but that is only as good as the weakest link which was glaring in this first case.
Also something I have noticed many people aren't bringing up is what will happen if the virus is brought to other developing countries such as India, Mexico, Philippines, etc. Do those places have the infrastructure to effectively contain an outbreak? And if an outbreak occurred there than what should be the rest of the world's response?
Theres a big difference between fear mongering and being concerned. Hand waving and mocking concerned people surely will not help the situation at all.
Well said. The handling of the (thus far) isolated incident has revealed some glaring systemic errors that are at odds with the confident statements coming out from CDC. If lessons can be learned and put into practice from this then the country is in a much better position to handle further occurrences.
Peter Wiggin wrote: 24 hours left on the "lets revisit this conversation" stuff...
Still getting dangerously close to nothing happening... I'll be waiting with bated breath for the next few hours.
Hopefully these numbers won't continue to rise, though it would be illogical to expect otherwise.
The wider the net is cast, the better.
So he was sharing the bed of with the mother of his illegitimate (simply as a descriptor for "born out of wedlock", not as a value based judgement) while contagious huh? Time to reiterate that comment about unprotected sex re: "bodily fluids"? I'll happily make a tinfoil hat, take a selfie, and post it. IDC, this just gets worse and worse.
This one has already been addressed, so I'll leave it alone.
My gut reaction is that this fool SHOULD be hit with terrorism charges, but then again why add another person to the US prison roster? I think the best case scenario is to try and cure the guy, and then release either him to the Liberian authorities. Under NO circumstance should the body be released if he dies, but you can bet your ass people will be calling for his body to be flown home if that happens. What kind of scumbag would purposefully lie about this sort of thing?
Than you don't know what the definition of "terrorism" is. After that, you make even less sense. So if he is cured, we should release him to Liberian authorities but if he dies, we shouldn't? Why is that exactly? I'm interested in the logic behind this statement (though I fear there won't be much of any). Let's follow that up by accusing the guy of being a scumbag, because hey- it's been at least a paragraph since you last judged him.
Sandinistato wrote: It is quite worrisome that many people do not seem to be taking this more seriously.
The amount of mistakes made in handling this first case are astounding. Turning the patient away, slow response on quarantining his direct contacts, improperly quarantining his contacts, not cleaning up the Vomit until days later, etc.
Now imagine if there were another 10, 20, 50 cases where there were this many mistakes made? I think the CDC would quickly be stretched quite thin and I don't believe state or county health departments would be prepared to step it up. For example here in Illinois budget cuts have made it so that the health department is very, very, slim.
I also think any sort of overconfidence in our healthcare system will only be to our detriment. Sure we may have a "first world" system (whatever that even means), but that is only as good as the weakest link which was glaring in this first case.
Also something I have noticed many people aren't bringing up is what will happen if the virus is brought to other developing countries such as India, Mexico, Philippines, etc. Do those places have the infrastructure to effectively contain an outbreak? And if an outbreak occurred there than what should be the rest of the world's response?
Theres a big difference between fear mongering and being concerned. Hand waving and mocking concerned people surely will not help the situation at all.
Well said. The handling of the (thus far) isolated incident has revealed some glaring systemic errors that are at odds with the confident statements coming out from CDC. If lessons can be learned and put into practice from this then the country is in a much better position to handle further occurrences.
No, it really isn't.
I'm not sure how many more times it needs to be explained to people before they realize that Ebola virus disease does not spread easily. This isn't "overconfidence," it is based on our understanding of the virus. The secondary infection rate is 1.3 to 1.8; each person gets less than two other people sick on average in Africa.
None of this is hand-waving or mocking, and it's been carefully explained by multiple people why it isn't. And yet, people keep saying "I'm not fear mongering" only to follow that up with how scared everyone should be and we aren't handling this well in the US and the CDC won't be able to keep up and other movie-style worst case imaginable situations. You guys want to be scared, go for it. I think it's quite obvious that nothing anyone says will convince you otherwise (especially when we have people putting others on ignore because they don't agree with them).
Centers for Disease Control wrote:Ebola is not spread through casual contact; therefore, the risk of an outbreak in the U.S. is very low. We know how to stop Ebola’s further spread: thorough case finding, isolation of ill people, contacting people exposed to the ill person, and further isolation of contacts if they develop symptoms. The U.S. public health and medical systems have had prior experience with sporadic cases of diseases such as Ebola. In the past decade, the United States had 5 imported cases of Viral Hemorrhagic Fever (VHF) diseases similar to Ebola (1 Marburg, 4 Lassa). None resulted in any transmission in the United States.
Follow that up with something like this:
Reuters wrote:DALLAS, Oct 2 (Reuters) - In the Dallas community of Vickery Meadow, a cultural polyglot where about three dozen languages are spoken, the one word on everyone's lips is "Ebola."
On Sunday, a group of blighted apartments in a section of the neighborhood favored by West African immigrants was shaken by screams as one family saw a recently arrived relative being carted away in an ambulance.
The man, identified by Liberian authorities as Thomas Eric Duncan, was the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States. He was last seen by neighbors in the parking lot vomiting on the street.
"I heard about Ebola on the news, but I didn't know it was right here," said Juan Pablo Escalante, 43, who is from Mexico.
There is little indication a visitor to the community had been infected with a disease that has killed more than 3,000 people in West Africa, in the worst Ebola outbreak on record.
"There's no notes on the doors. No one came to talk to us. I picked up my kids from school down the street and found out it was this close," Escalante said on Wednesday.
On Thursday, maintenance workers using high-pressure water were scrubbing the parking lot in front of the building where the patient had been carted off by ambulance. The scent of bleach could be detected in the air.
Dallas County said it would put "boots on the ground" to monitor those who may have been exposed. In Vickery Meadow, residents worried if that would be enough to prevent an outbreak at what has been dubbed "ground zero" for Ebola in the United States.
Vickery Meadow is home to about 25,000 people and more than 30 languages are spoken among immigrants who have come to Dallas because it has one of the country's better job markets and relatively inexpensive property.
Despite an image as the home of oil barons where men wear big hats and women have big hair, as shown around the world in the highly popular TV drama "Dallas" that first aired in the late 1970s, the city is one of the more diverse in the United States.
Nepali native Yak Tamang is typical of the type of people who settle in Vickery Meadow, living in a small apartment with his family. His sister speaks little English, but her eyes widen when she hears Tamang using the word "Ebola" in conversation, he said.
"A lot of people live here. How come no one told us?" Tamang said on Thursday.
The community's schools have also been touched by Ebola, with five children coming into contact with the patient. The children went to the four different schools they attend after being exposed. They are now home and showing no symptoms, but parents are worried.
Dozens of comments from parents posted on the Dallas Independent School District's Facebook page said more information was needed, including the names of the potentially exposed children.
"Right now, I'm not sure to take my daughter to school tomorrow," wrote Gabriela Mendoza Villa. "I'm getting so nervous."
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
The Dallas Ebola patient had come into contact with as many as 100 people, according to Texas health officials. This figure is significantly higher than initially thought.
More than 80 people were in contact with the Ebola patient, including 12 to 18 people in direct contact, said spokeswoman for Dallas County's Department of Health and Human Services Erikka Neroes on Thursday. Later in the day Texas officials revised the number of contacts up to 100 people.
Previously health officials said 18 people, including five children, had connections to the Dallas Ebola patient, according to local media.
In addition to the new figure, Texas officials issued an order on Wednesday night for four family members of the patient to stay home as a precautionary measure, NBC reported.
They are legally required to follow the precautions until at least October 19, by which time the incubation period of the disease will have passed. Under the order the family will also have to comply with the requirements of health officials to provide blood samples and perform other medical tests.
According to health officials the incubation period is two to 21 days and people are not infectious until they develop symptoms.
Health officials confirmed on Thursday that the family members of the patient do not yet have any symptoms of the deadly Ebola virus.
The first time the patient, Thomas Eric Duncan, 42, presented to hospital was on September 25 with fever and abdominal pain, health officials said, adding that he did not exhibit any symptoms specific to Ebola. However, Duncan returned to the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas via ambulance on September 28.
The next day he was admitted into strict isolation to be evaluated for potential Ebola virus, based on the patient’s symptoms and recent travel history, according to a statement by the hospital.
Duncan recently traveled from Liberia, one of the three most Ebola-affected West African countries. The patient had no symptoms of the disease upon leaving Liberia or arriving in the US, CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden said during a press conference on Tuesday.
READ MORE: ‘Thousands’ of US visas issued to residents in Ebola-stricken countries
The patient is the first and only confirmed Ebola case in the US.
Edit “He was evaluated for his illness, which was very nondescript. He had some laboratory tests, which were not very impressive, and he was dismissed with some antibiotics,” Goodman said.[i]
Yet the man’s sister told AP that the man had relayed to doctors that he came from Liberia. Still, despite the current spread of Ebola in West Africa, doctors only offered antibiotics.
Another US citizen has been put in isolation in Hawaii on Thursday, with fears he may have Ebola, said the Hawaii Department of Health, as cited by local media. However, officials said he has not yet been diagnosed and it is unlikely that Ebola has traveled to the remote islands in the Pacific.
"The hospital is being very careful, as they should be, to take precautions making sure the patient is in isolation and making sure the people and the public stay safe," Dr. Melissa Viray of the Hawaii Department of Health told local ABC affiliate KITV. "That being said, it's still an ‘if’. This is not a for sure thing."
Health officials have said that US citizens should not worry about an outbreak in the country as the virus is not airborne.
The virus is transmitted through blood or bodily fluids. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the average EVD case fatality rate is around 50 percent, while case fatality rates have varied from 25 percent to 90 percent in past outbreaks.
The current outbreak of Ebola started in West Africa in March 2014. The number of patients with Ebola in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone surpassed 6,500 with more than 3,000 deaths, according to the WHO. Health officials said it’s the largest and most complex Ebola outbreak since the Ebola virus was first discovered in 1976.
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
We've covered the higher number a couple of times already:
Patient A had contact with Group B (the initial smaller number). These are the people that he could potentially infect.
Group B, who have not shown any symptoms and are therefore not contagious, had contact with Group C (who are included in the higher number).
So the "big number of people had contact with him" story is gakky reporting. They had contact with people who had contact with him. It's the Ebola version of "if you had sex with someone you had sex with everyone that they had sex with" exercise.
The probability that the expanded group could get ill is tiny, especially since the people they had contact with in the past are still not showing any symptoms.
d-usa wrote: We've covered the higher number a couple of times already:
Patient A had contact with Group B (the initial smaller number). These are the people that he could potentially infect. Group B, who have not shown any symptoms and are therefore not contagious, had contact with Group C (who are included in the higher number).
So the "big number of people had contact with him" story is gakky reporting. They had contact with people who had contact with him. It's the Ebola version of "if you had sex with someone you had sex with everyone that they had sex with" exercise.
The probability that the expanded group could get ill is tiny, especially since the people they had contact with in the past are still not showing any symptoms.
^^^^^
Yeah, but what about everything they aren't telling us, man!
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Guys, this immature and derisive tone is wholly inappropriate. You all are clearly not looking at the facts...
Luckily, doctors in Texas are fighting back:
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Potential case in DC. Wonder how politicians react when its in their back yard.
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Frazzled wrote: Potential case in DC. Wonder how politicians react when its in their back yard.
Potential.
There are numerous disease that present in a similar way to Ebola virus disease.
ABC News wrote:WASHINGTON (WJLA) -- Howard University Hospital said Friday it had admitted a patient with a possible case of the Ebola virus.
The person, who was listed in stable condition, had just returned to the U.S. after visiting Nigeria, according to hospital officials.
The patient had "symptoms that could be associated with Ebola" and had been placed in isolation, the hospital said in a statement.
Hospital officials said the Centers for Disease Control had been notified and the hospital had implemented "appropriate infection control protocols."
The District of Columbia Department of Health said it was monitoring the situation along with the CDC, but local health officials emphasized: "At this time, there are no confirmed cases of Ebola in the District of Columbia.”
Dr. Dan Childs, ABC News' chief medical expert, noted that "while Nigeria had cases earlier in this outbreak, it is no longer considered a real hot spot – so the chances (of this patient having Ebola) are likely lower here than, say, if the person were coming in from Guinea."
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Frazzled wrote: Potential case in DC. Wonder how politicians react when its in their back yard.
Clearly the problem was caused by Obamacare.
Clearly...
Thanks Democrats.
I thought Obama was a Republican.
Does it matter?
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