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Experiment 626 wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
GET YOUR FLU SHOTS PEOPLE.....or it will spread

Yeah, no thanks... When I get the flu shot, I get the freaking flu, guaranteed. It's a family quirk, my dad's the same way, as are all of his direct relatives.

A whole family that manages to get the flu from a substance that doesn't have any actual flu in it? Amazing.

 d-usa wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
GET YOUR FLU SHOTS PEOPLE.....or it will spread

Yeah, no thanks... When I get the flu shot, I get the freaking flu, guaranteed. It's a family quirk, my dad's the same way, as are all of his direct relatives.

A whole family that manages to get the flu from a substance that doesn't have any actual flu in it? Amazing.

They probably had too much gluten before getting the shots.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
GET YOUR FLU SHOTS PEOPLE.....or it will spread

Yeah, no thanks... When I get the flu shot, I get the freaking flu, guaranteed. It's a family quirk, my dad's the same way, as are all of his direct relatives.

If you get the Quadrivalent, it's an inactivated influenza strain and you won't get the flu. I would wait however, as I feel most clinics offer the flu shot too early.

The nasal mist has a weakened virus that could, possibly, make you sick although it is highly unlikely. As for the shots:

"Can the flu shot give me the flu?

No, a flu shot cannot give you the flu. Flu vaccines that are administered with a needle are currently made in two ways: the vaccine is made either with a) flu vaccine viruses that have been ‘inactivated’ and are therefore not infectious, or b) with no flu vaccine viruses at all (which is the case for recombinant influenza vaccine). In randomized, blinded studies, where some people got flu shots and others got saltwater shots, the only differences in symptoms was increased soreness in the arm and redness at the injection site among people who got the flu shot. There were no differences in terms of body aches, fever, cough, runny nose or sore throat."

It's always people getting a seasonal cold and creaking out that they got "the flu from a shot" even though there is no way to actually get he flu. They are not as bad as anti-vaccination folks, but they annoy me.

Get it anyway.never know when you might get the bird flu

get it.....




seriously....get the flu shot.....


not trying to scare you all or anything...

get the small pox vaccination to..its only like 20 pokes in the arm of your choice

 d-usa wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
GET YOUR FLU SHOTS PEOPLE.....or it will spread

Yeah, no thanks... When I get the flu shot, I get the freaking flu, guaranteed. It's a family quirk, my dad's the same way, as are all of his direct relatives.

A whole family that manages to get the flu from a substance that doesn't have any actual flu in it? Amazing.

To be fair, if he or his family received the LAIV vaccination--they could experience mild, flu like symptoms--although it's important to note that it does not cause systemic flu, as the attenuated viral load you receive via the LAIV spray is engineered to not survive the warmer areas of the body.

However, everyone should get the flu vaccination--even if you are healthy. Herd immunity is a thing and not only are you helping protect yourself from influenza, you're helping protect the more vulnerable members of your community.

 Chongara wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
GET YOUR FLU SHOTS PEOPLE.....or it will spread

Yeah, no thanks... When I get the flu shot, I get the freaking flu, guaranteed. It's a family quirk, my dad's the same way, as are all of his direct relatives.

A whole family that manages to get the flu from a substance that doesn't have any actual flu in it? Amazing.

They probably had too much gluten before getting the shots.

From gluten? Nah. That s#$t just makes your d%k fly off.

 d-usa wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
GET YOUR FLU SHOTS PEOPLE.....or it will spread

Yeah, no thanks... When I get the flu shot, I get the freaking flu, guaranteed. It's a family quirk, my dad's the same way, as are all of his direct relatives.

A whole family that manages to get the flu from a substance that doesn't have any actual flu in it? Amazing.

My dad's side of the family are known to have a high rate of beta thalassemia.
He has it, his mother had it, and two of his brothers have it. My oldest cousin also likely has it, and while I've never been tested for it myself, I probably have it as it would explain why I've always been perpetually tiny and unable to gain weight. (I barely scratch 5'3" and it's a cause for celebration the odd time I hit 106lbs!)

All of us get good and sick when we get a flu shot, hence why we tend to never get them anymore! Over the past decade, then only time I've come down with the flu, was during the H1N1 outbreak a few year back.

 d-usa wrote:
Yeah, the usual diseases in the area (tuberculosis, malaria, etc) are killing more people because the systems are overwhelmed with the Ebola effect.

Yep, malaria in particular is problematic--as its symptoms are almost tit for tat the same as ebola. So, potential malaria patients are not properly treated and possibly die---and patients with ebola are improperly diagnosed with malaria and spread it to others. IIRC, most of the false alarms thus far have been attributed to malaria---and the physician from Doctors Without Borders stated the patient that likely gave him ebola was initially diagnosed with malaria. Kind of a perfect storm for that area.

What worries me most, is one of the thousands of soldiers stationed in West Africa---taking the disease back to the poorer areas of India. Something like Mumbai acquiring ebola would be catastrophic;




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Experiment 626 wrote:


My dad's side of the family are known to have a high rate of beta thalassemia.
He has it, his mother had it, and two of his brothers have it. My oldest cousin also likely has it, and while I've never been tested for it myself, I probably have it as it would explain why I've always been perpetually tiny and unable to gain weight. (I barely scratch 5'3" and it's a cause for celebration the odd time I hit 106lbs!)

All of us get good and sick when we get a flu shot, hence why we tend to never get them anymore! Over the past decade, then only time I've come down with the flu, was during the H1N1 outbreak a few year back.

Oh wow, that's doubly interesting (I don't mean that in a poor way, I sincerely find it interesting!). I've read previously that beta thalassemia was a possible evolutionary adaption for malaria (Sickle cell)--which we were just discussing how that mirrors ebola in presentation! Please don't take the above the wrong way, I'm not celebrating your disease--just a hell of a coincidence in the conversation.

Still, I was under the impression that particular flu strains (Such as H1N1) hit patients with that genetic disorder rather harshly---and they were considered a 'must' to get the vaccination. I could be wrong though, as I have very little to no experience dealing with patients whom have beta thalassemia disorders. Just an aside to satisfy my curiosity--is your family originally from the Mediterranean?

Do not go to a country that deals with malaria on a constant basis...there are like two type of pills

One that you take once a week that will give you some "questionable" dreams

One that you take once a day and you have Hershey Squirts and cold Baby Wipes is your new "comfort"

 Jihadin wrote:
Do not go to a country that deals with malaria on a constant basis...there are like two type of pills

One that you take once a week that will give you some "questionable" dreams

One that you take once a day and you have Hershey Squirts and cold Baby Wipes is your new "comfort"

Chloroquine is a hell of a drug . Ironically, chlorquine causes African Americans (most) to itch severely--and African Americans are much more likely to carry the sickle cell trait--which is attributed to an evolutionary adaptation against malaria. Would be interesting to see how that all ties together in a genome.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Do not go to a country that deals with malaria on a constant basis...there are like two type of pills

One that you take once a week that will give you some "questionable" dreams

One that you take once a day and you have Hershey Squirts and cold Baby Wipes is your new "comfort"

Chloroquine is a hell of a drug . Ironically, chlorquine causes African Americans (most) to itch severely--and African Americans are much more likely to carry the sickle cell trait--which is attributed to an evolutionary adaptation against malaria. Would be interesting to see how that all ties together in a genome.

Nothing, genome are all screwed up from the various vaccinations, drugs, burn pits, poo poo pond, and all the other awesome stuff that collects in the deepest unwash butt crack of the world we lived in for months on at a time

Another passenger from Liberia arrived, vomiting on the plane & now quarantined at a hospital.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/us/new-york-flight-sick-passenger/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Meanwhile...

Federal officials flatly rejected the idea of expanding the screening of passengers arriving from West Africa, and said they would not support calls for a ban on travel to the United States from countries being ravaged by the disease.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/04/us/containing-ebola-cdc-troops-west-africa.html?_r=0

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Another passenger from Liberia arrived, vomiting on the plane.....quarantined for a few hours and released. What happened to that whole "monitoring for 21 days"?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/us/new-york-flight-sick-passenger/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

from the article:

The symptoms of one individual were found to be consistent with another, minor treatable condition unrelated to Ebola," the health department said. "The second individual, who was traveling with the patient, was asymptomatic."

Why not post the rest of the vomiting story?

The possibility of a new case was knocked down later Saturday by the New Jersey Department of Health.

In a statement, it said that University Hospital "in coordination with federal, state and local public health officials evaluated two individuals who arrived" Saturday afternoon.

"The symptoms of one individual were found to be consistent with another, minor treatable condition unrelated to Ebola," the health department said. "The second individual, who was traveling with the patient, was asymptomatic."

And I'm glad that the esteemed representative is so concerned about Ebola that he is only going to wait two weeks before holding a hearing. Congress might end up incubating faster than the virus!

 Ouze wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Another passenger from Liberia arrived, vomiting on the plane.....quarantined for a few hours and released. What happened to that whole "monitoring for 21 days"?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/us/new-york-flight-sick-passenger/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

from the article:

The symptoms of one individual were found to be consistent with another, minor treatable condition unrelated to Ebola," the health department said. "The second individual, who was traveling with the patient, was asymptomatic."

Dude.....

I've four abandon 40ft container......and I know how to wield and do structural framework, plus plumbing, plus access to well water......and and and and

Whenever my coworkers and I talk about a potential zombie type situation, I think about how useful knowing how to weld would be.

Welding is a skill that is good to learn anyway.

Did you know that you can make a welder out of two car batteries, some wire, and a coat-hanger?

 Jihadin wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Another passenger from Liberia arrived, vomiting on the plane.....quarantined for a few hours and released. What happened to that whole "monitoring for 21 days"?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/us/new-york-flight-sick-passenger/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

from the article:

The symptoms of one individual were found to be consistent with another, minor treatable condition unrelated to Ebola," the health department said. "The second individual, who was traveling with the patient, was asymptomatic."

Dude.....

I've four abandon 40ft container......and I know how to wield and do structural framework, plus plumbing, plus access to well water......and and and and

You keep that stuff laying around?

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Welding is a skill that is good to learn anyway.

Did you know that you can make a welder out of two car batteries, some wire, and a coat-hanger?

This little tidbit has made waking up at 5am with my gut going crazy somewhat worthwhile.

Shame I'm now dead from ebola.

 MrDwhitey wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Welding is a skill that is good to learn anyway.

Did you know that you can make a welder out of two car batteries, some wire, and a coat-hanger?

This little tidbit has made waking up at 5am with my gut going crazy somewhat worthwhile.

Shame I'm now dead from ebola.

The reason that there is two car batteries, is that with one, it can explode.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

The reason that there is two car batteries, is that with one, it can explode.

Is the coat hanger the metal you melt? What gauge wire?

I get the feeling that more people in the US are going to die from MacGyver-ing a welder than from Ebola in the next 24 hours.

I found a tutorial, they use steel wire, but the place I saw it on was a survival mag.
http://makezine.com/projects/car-battery-welding/


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 daedalus wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

The reason that there is two car batteries, is that with one, it can explode.

Is the coat hanger the metal you melt? What gauge wire?

Yep, and jumper cables (it's meant for a quick car fix).

I have a friend who has done the 2 car battery thing. It works, but the welds are pretty messy.

I did something similar once for solder with a paper clip and a UPS battery. That gak stinks. I do not recommend it.


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Also, batteries in series. That makes a lot of sense for keeping the batteries from exploding on you. Shorting a single battery with what's effectively solid core high gauge wire (coat hanger) would probably be far too much juice for one to handle.

Steel wool and AA battery you can start a good fire

Picked up welding while on deployment. Back when we were welding armor plates to vehicles. Then picked up again at Lewis from a friend who does welding in the Navy.

Are we all undead Ebola zombies yet? Seriously, I've got money riding on this.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:

 d-usa wrote:


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Experiment 626 wrote:


My dad's side of the family are known to have a high rate of beta thalassemia.
He has it, his mother had it, and two of his brothers have it. My oldest cousin also likely has it, and while I've never been tested for it myself, I probably have it as it would explain why I've always been perpetually tiny and unable to gain weight. (I barely scratch 5'3" and it's a cause for celebration the odd time I hit 106lbs!)

All of us get good and sick when we get a flu shot, hence why we tend to never get them anymore! Over the past decade, then only time I've come down with the flu, was during the H1N1 outbreak a few year back.

Oh wow, that's doubly interesting (I don't mean that in a poor way, I sincerely find it interesting!). I've read previously that beta thalassemia was a possible evolutionary adaption for malaria (Sickle cell)--which we were just discussing how that mirrors ebola in presentation! Please don't take the above the wrong way, I'm not celebrating your disease--just a hell of a coincidence in the conversation.

Still, I was under the impression that particular flu strains (Such as H1N1) hit patients with that genetic disorder rather harshly---and they were considered a 'must' to get the vaccination. I could be wrong though, as I have very little to no experience dealing with patients whom have beta thalassemia disorders. Just an aside to satisfy my curiosity--is your family originally from the Mediterranean?

Yep, my dad's side of the family from his parents on back are all pure Italians. I know my nona, his mother was from the south.

It seems though that our family only has mild beta thalassemia, as no one to our knowledge has ever needed blood transfusions for example to deal with it. (not sure about our relatives back in Italy though)
Still, we've often wondered if the disorder might help affect they vaccinations work on us, as it's just really weird how we stay much healthier when not getting the seasonal flu shot, yet get really sick when we do get it!

Admittedly, I was the only staffer at our GW store who got sick with H1N1, and I did end up in the ER. (and I'm still fething pee-ed off at the idiot nurse who, even *after* being told not to take a normal blood sample, but rather the amount you'd normally take from a child due to my tiny 100lbs nothingness, took two full vials & caused me to nearly pass out shortly afterwards!)

 Jihadin wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Another passenger from Liberia arrived, vomiting on the plane.....quarantined for a few hours and released. What happened to that whole "monitoring for 21 days"?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/us/new-york-flight-sick-passenger/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

from the article:

The symptoms of one individual were found to be consistent with another, minor treatable condition unrelated to Ebola," the health department said. "The second individual, who was traveling with the patient, was asymptomatic."

Dude.....

I've four abandon 40ft container......and I know how to wield and do structural framework, plus plumbing, plus access to well water......and and and and

You planning something like these guys have going?

http://www.viralnova.com/shipping-container-homes/


http://gracie-senseandsimplicity.blogspot.com/2011/05/shipping-container-homes-6-inspiring.html

http://news.distractify.com/culture/it-looks-rusty-but-inside-this-shipping-container-is-a-stunning-home/

Those are some pretty rad homes that got built. I'd halfway be inclined to head over your way to help you on a project like that.


There are some drawbacks, though, as stated here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/media/7-homes-built-with-shipping-containers/5/

I think those could be taken care of, though.