Ebola outbreak in Dallas Texas.

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**Spacemanvic**

Ouze wrote:
That authority does not seem to required a declared state of emergency.

edit: ninja'd

You are absolutely right.

What an SOE does, however, in some states, allow door to door "visits", detainment without arrest or council, suspension of the right to gather, as well as suspension of the right to self defense.

So in effect, a quasi "martial law".

I wish I was making this stuff up, but Im not :(

This isnt true for all states, it varies.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Spacemanvic wrote:
Ouze wrote:
That authority does not seem to required a declared state of emergency.

edit: ninja'd

You are absolutely right.

What an SOE does, however, in some states, allow door to door "visits", detainment without arrest or council, suspension of the right to gather, as well as suspension of the right to self defense.

So in effect, a quasi "martial law".

I wish I was making this stuff up, but Im not :(

This isnt true for all states, it varies.

So before we assume that Connecticut has just become a lawless no-man's land where citizen are incapable to fight against the Department of Public Health, let's see what the law of the state has to say about it?

For anyone curious, here is the order that the governor signed: http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wfsb/EbolaDeclaration.pdf

**Spacemanvic**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Spacemanvic wrote:
Ouze wrote:
That authority does not seem to required a declared state of emergency.

edit: ninja'd

You are absolutely right.

What an SOE does, however, in some states, allow door to door "visits", detainment without arrest or council, suspension of the right to gather, as well as suspension of the right to self defense.

So in effect, a quasi "martial law".

I wish I was making this stuff up, but Im not :(

This isnt true for all states, it varies.
So before we assume that Connecticut has just become a lawless no-man's land where citizen are incapable to fight against the Department of Public Health, let's see what the law of the state has to say about it?

The Fed already has that power via the CDC:

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

And for something Connecticut "centric"

What is a state of emergency?

In the event of serious disaster, enemy attack, sabotage or other hostile action or in the event of the imminence thereof, the Governor may proclaim that a state of civil preparedness emergency exists, in which event the Governor may personally take direct operational control of any or all parts of the civil preparedness forces and functions in the state. Conn. Gen. Stat. Sec. 28-9.

The Governor must file the proclamation with the Secretary of State. Upon filing the proclamation is effective.

The proclamation gives the Governor the power “to modify or suspend in whole or in part, by order as hereinafter provided, any statute, regulation or requirement or part thereof whenever the Governor finds such statute, regulation or requirement, or part thereof, is in conflict with the efficient and expeditious execution of civil preparedness functions or the protection of the public health.”

I hope he suspends the ban on Sunday alcohol sales!

Once a state of Emergency is declared the Governor has broad powers to keep order and protect residents:

The Governor may order into action all or any part of the department or local or joint organizations for civil preparedness mobile support units or any other civil preparedness forces.
The Governor shall order and enforce such blackouts and radio silences as are authorized by the United States Army or its duly designated agency and may take any other precautionary measures reasonably necessary in the light of the emergency.
The Governor may designate such vehicles and persons as shall be permitted to move and the routes which they shall follow.
The Governor shall take appropriate measures for protecting the health and safety of inmates of state institutions and children in schools.
The Governor may order the evacuation of all or part of the population of stricken or threatened areas and may take such steps as are necessary for the receipt and care of such evacuees.
The Governor may take such other steps as are reasonably necessary in the light of the emergency to protect the health, safety and welfare of the people of the state, to prevent or minimize loss or destruction of property and to minimize the effects of hostile action.
In order to insure the automatic and effective operation of civil preparedness in the event of enemy attack, sabotage or other hostile action, or in the event of the imminence thereof, the Governor may, at the Governor’s discretion, at any time prior to actual development of such conditions, issue such proclamations and executive orders as the Governor deems necessary, such proclamations and orders to become effective only under such conditions.

- See more at: http://aconnecticutlawblog.com/2011/08/with-hurricane-irene-bearing-down-on-ct-what-does-it-mean-when-the-governor-declares-a-state-of-emergency/#sthash.pP6gDKNW.dpuf

Oh, and a link to Connecticut's actual emergency management statutes:
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/pub/chap_517.htm

**Frazzled**

Spacemanvic wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Wait so, its not contagious and all the fear mongers are just illiterate fear mongers, but if you get near it without a a suit Buzz Aldrin could oprbit the moon in, you're going to catch it?

Frazzled's long stand policy of not believing anyone...reinstated.
No.

It is infectious and can be passed if the proper precautions are not met. Even in developed countries people can get sick and die from this disease; no on has claimed otherwise.

The issue is people can't differentiate between an couple of isolated cases (perfectly reasonable and easy to negate) and a massive full scale outbreak with throngs of dead littering the streets (near impossible).

Isolated...now. If you have to be in space suits to avoid getting it, how the hell are you going to keep this from spreading in the 99% of the world without space suits? Even in developed countries, how many hospitals have space suits?

Again, Frazzled confused. NPR is on the computer saying the number of cases is increasing exponentially.
I think to be safe I'm just going to spray everyone who gets near me with lysol. From orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

Frazzled starting with bubble wrap in his quest to create his own "space suit"

Plus it doubles as a portable sofa! Naptime anytime!

**ScootyPuffJunior**

The Governor's declaration: http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wfsb/EbolaDeclaration.pdf

Again, before assuming that Connecticut will become the epicenter of the dystopia, read the Governor's declaration as it specifically mentions two articles in the General Statuses Section that are relevant to the declaration and do so with a measured amount of restraint.

Even though I'm not an expert on how the state of Connecticut functions, I think it is important to mention the declaration is titled a "Public Health Emergency" and not a "State of Emergency." Depending on the laws of the state, that might be an important distinction.

**Jihadin**

Hope it does not break out in the US being Robotech about to his mass market......

**MrDwhitey**

Jihadin wrote:
being Robotech about to his mass market......

This is less likely than an ebola pandemic.

**Jihadin**

MrDwhitey wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
being Robotech about to his mass market......

This is less likely than an ebola pandemic.

Stop trying to scare me Whitey..I'm not Peter

The longer they delay releasing to general public the more money I bank setting aside for it...$503 dollars as of yesterday

**Peter Wiggin**

4 hospitalized in Madrid after nurse contracts ebola. First case of disease contracted by anyone that has not been physically present in West Africa. Government has elected to kill her pet dog due to possible spread of virus.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/madrid-will-kill-dog-woman-infected-ebola-n220361

There's also this in the "Transmission" section, along with reference to the WHO page cited.

"The Ebola virus can remain in survivor's semen for up to 3 months. EBOV and SUDV may be able to persist in the semen of some survivors for up to seven weeks, which could give rise to infections and disease via sexual intercourse."

Due to the differences in male and female reproductive structures, I cannot help but wonder how long the virus can live in human egg cells.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease

And then here where people are advised "use a condom" instead of "abstain from sex for 6 months."

http://www.dailypress.com/health/sns-rt-us-health-ebola-condoms-20141007,0,528935.story

**d-usa**

Condom vs Abstain:

Sometimes you have to make the choice of choosing a method that is more effective but harder to follow vs a method that might be slightly less effective but easier to follow.

**TheCustomLime**

I don't get it. Should I be panicking or not?

**Peter Wiggin**

d-usa wrote:
Condom vs Abstain:

Sometimes you have to make the choice of choosing a method that is more effective but harder to follow vs a method that might be slightly less effective but easier to follow.

I suppose, but I just question how anyone could even enjoy sex knowing that ebola might be a concern....like either party. I dunno. You can't "enforce" something like that, but it would be nice if people consensually engaged in a period of abstinence if they know the details of their personal health.

I think thats a fair way of stating it.

**Jihadin**

TheCustomLime wrote:
I don't get it. Should I be panicking or not?

When they rise back up from the dead after confirmation of death then you can "FREAK THE HELL OUT" but then can calm down later when Bath Salts are mention

**Peter Wiggin**

TheCustomLime wrote:
I don't get it. Should I be panicking or not?

Panic, no. Be more conscious of your own health, absolutely. Wear a rubber, well....I think thats common sense but isn't ebola another pretty good reason to add to the list?

Personally I've put additional gloves and alcohol based sanitizer into my EDC first aid kit. Having lived in dangerous areas I got into the habit of carrying one at all times. As a former health worker I have a ton of training on how to avoid cross contamination in daily life...most important part IS to wash your hands frequently & don't stick fingers in nose/eyes/etc. I also think its prudent to take part in the public conversations surrounding how to increase the resiliency of the US preventative infrastructure. Personally, I wouldn't go near an airport or hospital unless I have to....but who really goes to either of those places for no reason?

I'm also all for burning anything contaminated by this crap. Including apartment buildings, personal possessions, cars, etc. Then again, there are lots of people on this forum that think my response is way over the top. <shrug>

Decide for yourself.

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Jihadin wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
I don't get it. Should I be panicking or not?

When they rise back up from the dead after confirmation of death then you can "FREAK THE HELL OUT" but then can calm down later when Bath Salts are mention

Oh jeez man, the true wingnut fringe of the internet has been pushing stories about "ebola zombies" for a while. Obvious BS, but it hits that cultural obsession we have with a zombie apocalypse.

**Frazzled**

When hell is full, then the dead shall rise.

And Frazzled will be giddy.

**d-usa**

It says a lot if you are a former health care worker who didn't have gloves and sanitizer in his first aid kit BEFORE hearing about Ebola.

**MrDwhitey**

What, that he wasn't one and is a lying troll, or that he was just a real bad one?

**daedalus**

d-usa wrote:
It says a lot if you are a former health care worker who didn't have gloves and sanitizer in his first aid kit BEFORE hearing about Ebola.

To be fair, he did say ADDITIONAL. I think he's still hyperventilating about this a bit much though.

**Alpharius**

I'm just glad to see that Peter is still among the living, and healthy.

**d-usa**

daedalus wrote:
d-usa wrote:
It says a lot if you are a former health care worker who didn't have gloves and sanitizer in his first aid kit BEFORE hearing about Ebola.

To be fair, he did say ADDITIONAL. I think he's still hyperventilating about this a bit much though.

I didn't catch the additional, fair point.

Sounds like a nice first aid kit though, I'll be sad when he has to burn it.

**Peter Wiggin**

d-usa wrote:
It says a lot if you are a former health care worker who didn't have gloves and sanitizer in his first aid kit BEFORE hearing about Ebola.

What exactly is your problem?

My standard pack for EDC was 6 pairs of nitrile gloves (to avoid possible latex allergy complications) with hemostatic powder and trauma bandages along with the standard kit you'd find in a store bought pack (minus the gobs of useless band aids). For the last 4 years I lived in an area where the biggest concerns were traumatic wounds and issues of homelessness as opposed to viral cross contamination by ebola. I also swapped to a larger package of glucose tablets since low blood sugar is a real issue with a lot of injuries. Most of the time when cleaning a wound, the primary concern is clearing foreign material (such as dirt, garbage, dog saliva/plaque, etc) and then stopping bleeding. If you aren't in a hospital setting then soap and water after following appropriate PPE procedures (most especially proper glove removal) is more than adequate in MOST situations you'll find in a developed urban setting. I keep a significantly larger stock of first aid stuff in my FA bag at home so that I can add to or remove items as needed per what I think my own situation will be that day. Over the weekend I added an additional 10 pairs of gloves and alcohol based sanitizer, mostly for my own peace of mind. If I were going into a situation where I would not have ready access to running water and soap, obviously I'd carry sanitizer. Additionally, for minor abrasions I carry anti-microbial aerosol spray bandage.

And yes, its a very nice kit. I re-purposed a shotgun shell holder and it fits nondescriptly in my backpack side pocket.

The only reason I'm even addressing this is because your comment is designed to undercut my points about public health, which is LUDICROUS. I mean come on dude, why would you do that?

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Every time Peter comes back to post on this thread it brightens my day just a little bit more.

I approve!

**loki old fart**

Peter Wiggin wrote:
d-usa wrote:
It says a lot if you are a former health care worker who didn't have gloves and sanitizer in his first aid kit BEFORE hearing about Ebola.

What exactly is your problem?

My standard pack for EDC was 6 pairs of nitrile gloves (to avoid possible latex allergy complications) with hemostatic powder and trauma bandages along with the standard kit you'd find in a store bought pack (minus the gobs of useless band aids). I also swapped to a larger package of glucose tablets since low blood sugar is a real issue with a lot of homeless folks that get injured. I keep a significantly larger stock of first aid stuff in my FA bag at home so that I can add to or remove itmes as needed per what I think my own situation will be that day. Over the weekend I added an additional 10 pair and alcohol based sanitizer, mostly for my own peace of mind. If I go into a situation where I will not have ready access to running water and soap, obviously I'd carry sanitizer. For the last 4 years I lived in an area where the biggest concerns were traumatic wounds and issues of homelessness as opposed to viral cross contamination by ebola. Most of the time when cleaning a wound, your primary concern is clearing foreign material and then stopping bleeding. If you aren't in a hospital setting then soap and water after following appropriate PPE procedures (most especially proper glove removal) is more than adequate in MOST situations. Additionally, for minor abrasions I carry aerosol spray bandage that is also anti-microbial.

The only reason I'm even addressing this is because your comment is designed to undercut my points about public health, which is LUDICROUS. I mean come on dude, why would you do that?

Considering that the spanish nurse had more equipment than that.

is it enough.?

**Peter Wiggin**

loki old fart wrote:
Peter Wiggin wrote:
d-usa wrote:
It says a lot if you are a former health care worker who didn't have gloves and sanitizer in his first aid kit BEFORE hearing about Ebola.

What exactly is your problem?

My standard pack for EDC was 6 pairs of nitrile gloves (to avoid possible latex allergy complications) with hemostatic powder and trauma bandages along with the standard kit you'd find in a store bought pack (minus the gobs of useless band aids). I also swapped to a larger package of glucose tablets since low blood sugar is a real issue with a lot of homeless folks that get injured. I keep a significantly larger stock of first aid stuff in my FA bag at home so that I can add to or remove itmes as needed per what I think my own situation will be that day. Over the weekend I added an additional 10 pair and alcohol based sanitizer, mostly for my own peace of mind. If I go into a situation where I will not have ready access to running water and soap, obviously I'd carry sanitizer. For the last 4 years I lived in an area where the biggest concerns were traumatic wounds and issues of homelessness as opposed to viral cross contamination by ebola. Most of the time when cleaning a wound, your primary concern is clearing foreign material and then stopping bleeding. If you aren't in a hospital setting then soap and water after following appropriate PPE procedures (most especially proper glove removal) is more than adequate in MOST situations. Additionally, for minor abrasions I carry aerosol spray bandage that is also anti-microbial.

The only reason I'm even addressing this is because your comment is designed to undercut my points about public health, which is LUDICROUS. I mean come on dude, why would you do that?

Considering that the spanish nurse had more equipment than that.

is it enough.?

Nope, but refer to the bolded section of my post.

Its looking like positive pressure suits are going to be SOP for ebola treatment. Probably should have been from the start, but hindsight and all that.

**d-usa**

Peter Wiggin wrote:

The only reason I'm even addressing this is because your comment is designed to undercut my points about public health, which is LUDICROUS. I mean come on dude, why would you do that?

Because your points about public health are based on a very well demonstrated ignorance about the subjects of both Ebola and Public Health, a continuing public refusal to listen to people with actual knowledge in the field (both from forum members and articles with professionals that refute your statements), and your continuing very convoluted message that people should be more scared about this while also claiming that scared people will be the biggest danger.

I am doing this because I think that your posts on this subject are a bigger thread to the public health than Ebola by doing stuff like posting that the friend of a friend's relative has Ebola now, posting that a plane has been quarantined for Ebola because some guy puked on it when the very article you posted makes it clear that everybody has already been cleared. I'm doing this so that I can help others look past the panic that is very present in your posts and to provide them with facts so that they can make informed decisions about the severity of what is happening and how it will realistically affect both our US members on this board as well as our international members.

I'm doing this to provide knowledge to the people reading this thread and to try to minimize the damage that panic can cause.

**Peter Wiggin**

d-usa wrote:
Peter Wiggin wrote:

The only reason I'm even addressing this is because your comment is designed to undercut my points about public health, which is LUDICROUS. I mean come on dude, why would you do that?

Because your points about public health are based on a very well demonstrated ignorance about the subjects of both Ebola and Public Health, a continuing public refusal to listen to people with actual knowledge in the field (both from forum members and articles with professionals that refute your statements), and your continuing very convoluted message that people should be more scared about this while also claiming that scared people will be the biggest danger.

I am doing this because I think that your posts on this subject are a bigger thread to the public health than Ebola by doing stuff like posting that the friend of a friend's relative has Ebola now, posting that a plane has been quarantined for Ebola because some guy puked on it when the very article you posted makes it clear that everybody has already been cleared. I'm doing this so that I can help others look past the panic that is very present in your posts and to provide them with facts so that they can make informed decisions about the severity of what is happening and how it will realistically affect both our US members on this board as well as our international members.

I'm doing this to provide knowledge to the people reading this thread and to try to minimize the damage that panic can cause.

No dude, you just want to argue on a forum because you think I'm over reacting.

Yes, I was told that a friend of a friend's mom contracted ebola. I also posted the screenie of the convo. And of course I posted about a plane being quarantined after a guy started puking, because that actually did happen.

**Ouze**

I should probably own a first aid kit though, right? All joking aside.

**d-usa**

Frazzled wrote:
Ouze wrote:
You don't need to be in a space suit, but because the US is a modern economy and have the space suits anyway and we take no chances, we wear them.

If you don't need to be in a space suit, how did the Spanish nurse catch it?
Seriously, there's 8 levels of mixed messages being played in the media right now.

To try to explain it in a way that Frazzled can understand:

You know how it is incredibly easy NOT to accidentally shoot yourself with a gun?
You know how people still manage to accidentally shoot themselves with a gun?

The steps to protect yourself are fairly easy. But people will take shortcuts and make mistakes.

**Frazzled**

But now scientists are saying DaBola may be more transmissitable than previously thought.

Launch the Lysol Bombers!

**d-usa**

Peter Wiggin wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Peter Wiggin wrote:

The only reason I'm even addressing this is because your comment is designed to undercut my points about public health, which is LUDICROUS. I mean come on dude, why would you do that?

Because your points about public health are based on a very well demonstrated ignorance about the subjects of both Ebola and Public Health, a continuing public refusal to listen to people with actual knowledge in the field (both from forum members and articles with professionals that refute your statements), and your continuing very convoluted message that people should be more scared about this while also claiming that scared people will be the biggest danger.

I am doing this because I think that your posts on this subject are a bigger thread to the public health than Ebola by doing stuff like posting that the friend of a friend's relative has Ebola now, posting that a plane has been quarantined for Ebola because some guy puked on it when the very article you posted makes it clear that everybody has already been cleared. I'm doing this so that I can help others look past the panic that is very present in your posts and to provide them with facts so that they can make informed decisions about the severity of what is happening and how it will realistically affect both our US members on this board as well as our international members.

I'm doing this to provide knowledge to the people reading this thread and to try to minimize the damage that panic can cause.

No dude, you just want to argue on a forum

If you post bad information I will call you out.

because you think I'm over reacting.

Did you get that from all the times I pointed out that you are over reacting?