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And now we're off to ACA/Obamacare debate over this
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I think it's pretty obvious that the reptilians are spreading Ebola with chemtrails and fluoride; but it all started when the government faked 9/11 to distract us after they perfected the weaponized Ebola, however it wasn't quite ready to infect us yet so they had to fake Sandy Hook to buy some more time. Of course this all makes sense because Barack Obama was actually born in Africa and invented Ebola in 1976 with the help of the Illuminati who then flew Obama back to the US in black helicopters so they could start poisoning the world's vaccines to turn us into autistic sheeple so no one would stop Obama, the reptilians, and the Illuminati from completing their centuries-long masterstroke and usher in the New World Order.
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: I think it's pretty obvious that the reptilians are spreading Ebola with chemtrails and fluoride; but it all started when the government faked 9/11 to distract us after they perfected the weaponized Ebola, however it wasn't quite ready to infect us yet so they had to fake Sandy Hook to buy some more time. Of course this all makes sense because Barack Obama was actually born in Africa and invented Ebola in 1976 with the help of the Illuminati who then flew Obama back to the US in black helicopters so they could start poisoning the world's vaccines to turn us into autistic sheeple so no one would stop Obama, the reptilians, and the Illuminati from completing their centuries-long masterstroke and usher in the New World Order.
Thankfully they don't know about the secret resistance we've set up in the former nazi moon bases we took over, covered up by the faked landings, led by the real Elvis and JFK (even if his skin has been dyed and part of his brain replaced with sand).
Non Profit organization ad airing currently on television is blaming the outbreak of Ebola on Republicans
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The anti-vaxxers are using the whole Ebola thing to stirr up trouble and are arguing that it's just a new way to force people to get vaccinated/that it's a coverup to distract people from the real dangers of vaccinations/that vaccinations in Africa created Ebola/whatever other crazy story they are coming up with.
Anti-vaxxers, talk about something that is actually a bigger thread than Ebola...
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d-usa wrote: The anti-vaxxers are using the whole Ebola thing to stirr up trouble and are arguing that it's just a new way to force people to get vaccinated/that it's a coverup to distract people from the real dangers of vaccinations/that vaccinations in Africa created Ebola/whatever other crazy story they are coming up with.
Anti-vaxxers, talk about something that is actually a bigger thread than Ebola...
Ahem
The Ebola outbreak likely began in August 1976, when a patient
named Mabalo visited the Yambuku Mission Hospital in Yambuku, Zaire,
seeking treatment for a high fever. He had recently returned from a
mission trip around northern Zaire, and he assumed he had contracted
malaria. One of the “nurses” on staff (actually a Belgian nun with no
formal medical training) administered an injection of quinine, a drug
used to treat malaria. The patient returned home to rest. The hospital was
short on supplies, so the needle used to inject Mabalo was reused on other
hospital patients.
Despite the hospital’s best efforts, Mabalo succumbed to his illness
and died on September 8, 1976. He is known as the index, or primary,
case—that is, the earliest identified case of the disease to occur during this
outbreak. In accordance with regional tradition, Mabalo’s body was ritually
prepared for burial by his wife, mother, and other female friends and
relatives. All food and waste was removed from the body, a procedure
often performed using bare hands. Within weeks of Mabalo’s death, 21
of his friends and family members, many of whom had been involved in
preparing his body for burial, contracted the infection that had killed
him. Eighteen of them died from the disease.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Ouze wrote: Sorry Loki - Vaxxers have a 2+ invulnerable save vs facts.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
d-usa wrote: The anti-vaxxers are using the whole Ebola thing to stirr up trouble and are arguing that it's just a new way to force people to get vaccinated/that it's a coverup to distract people from the real dangers of vaccinations/that vaccinations in Africa created Ebola/whatever other crazy story they are coming up with.
Anti-vaxxers, talk about something that is actually a bigger thread than Ebola...
d-usa wrote: The anti-vaxxers are using the whole Ebola thing to stirr up trouble and are arguing that it's just a new way to force people to get vaccinated/that it's a coverup to distract people from the real dangers of vaccinations/that vaccinations in Africa created Ebola/whatever other crazy story they are coming up with.
Anti-vaxxers, talk about something that is actually a bigger thread than Ebola...
The California outbreak of pertussis in 2010 infected over 9,000 people (more in one year than all years combined since 1947) and killed ten infants (ten times more people than Ebola has killed in America).
We even have a slight resurgence of measles, even though we eradicated endemic measles 14 years ago. Since it is still in other places around the world, people bring it back to the US where people refuse to vaccinate against it because they think the vaccine is "unsafe."
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
d-usa wrote: The anti-vaxxers are using the whole Ebola thing to stirr up trouble and are arguing that it's just a new way to force people to get vaccinated/that it's a coverup to distract people from the real dangers of vaccinations/that vaccinations in Africa created Ebola/whatever other crazy story they are coming up with.
Anti-vaxxers, talk about something that is actually a bigger thread than Ebola...
The California outbreak of pertussis in 2010 infected over 9,000 people (more in one year than all years combined since 1947) and killed ten infants (ten times more people than Ebola has killed in America).
We even have a slight resurgence of measles, even though we eradicated endemic measles 14 years ago. Since it is still in other places around the world, people bring it back to the US where people refuse to vaccinate against it because they think the vaccine is "unsafe."
I think he was wondering about the specific Ebola talk from the anti-vax camp.
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I think he was wondering about the specific Ebola talk from the anti-vax camp.
Yeah, I just realized that, which is why I dug up this gem.
Regardless, the bit of information I posted will help keep things in perspective.
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Infectious Disease
Ebola: Infection Control Needs Rethink
Published: Oct 13, 2014
By John Gever, Managing Editor, MedPage Today
CDC Director Tom Frieden, MD, acknowledged that the case of a Dallas healthcare worker who developed Ebola "does change substantially how we address" efforts to prevent additional infections.
During a press call with reporters on Monday, Frieden insisted that the case did not undermine the prevailing theories of how Ebola is transmitted. But it does suggest that existing infection control measures may not be adequate.
He also said he "would not be surprised if we saw additional cases" among healthcare workers at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas where the current patient worked, and where the first U.S. case was diagnosed and later died.
The still unidentified female Texas Health Presbyterian worker is the first person to become infected with Ebola in the U.S. Other individuals treated for Ebola in U.S. hospitals contracted the disease in West Africa.
She had helped care for Thomas Eric Duncan, the 42-year-old Liberian man who was diagnosed with Ebola after arriving in Dallas and who died last week. A Dallas newspaper identified her as a nurse.
Officials said on the weekend that she developed a low-grade fever on Friday and was quickly placed in isolation. On Sunday, lab tests confirmed that she was infected with Ebola. The hospital has not released information on her clinical condition; Frieden said Monday he had been told she is "clinically stable" but declined to give details, referring questions back to the hospital.
Frieden said investigators are now closely monitoring procedures for donning and removing protective gear in the hospital. Officials are also considering whether other types of gowns, masks, gloves, and other equipment might reduce the risk of exposure during changes, he said.
But he suggested that full hazmat suits are almost certainly not the answer because of the difficulties they create for patient care and for the workers themselves.
Frank Esper, MD, an infectious disease specialist at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland, told MedPage Today that workers must strike a balance between self-protection and their job responsibilities.
"Some institutions are opting to use a full-body hood" instead of face shields and masks, he said. This provides "a lot of protection for the healthcare worker.
"The biggest problem with a lot of this," he continued, "is that we're very compassionate when we try to take care of our patients. We want to be able to relate to them, we want them to feel secure."
He said it makes patients nervous to "see all these hoods and gowns and face masks" and that it runs counter to the goal of providing reassurance to patients.
During press briefings on Sunday, CDC and local officials said they didn't know exactly how the Dallas nurse had been exposed. She was said to have worn protective gear at all times while caring for the Liberian patient, Thomas Eric Duncan. But CDC director Tom Frieden, MD, said there must have been a "breach in protocol" at some point.
On the Monday press call, Frieden reiterated those conclusions.
He added that monitoring of 48 individuals who definitely or possibly had contact with Duncan prior to his hospital admission was continuing and that, as of now, none had shown signs of illness. Monitoring has now been extended to healthcare workers at Texas Health Presbyterian who were involved in Duncan's care.
Officials in Dallas have not identified the currently infected worker. The Dallas Morning Newssaid she is a nurse and that it had established her identity "through public records, social media sites, a state nursing database and interviews" but did not publish her name because the hospital had not confirmed it.
The newspaper said the nurse was a 2010 graduate of Texas Christian University and was described by friends as "big-hearted [and] compassionate."
Another individual identified as a "close contact" of the woman was also placed in isolation at Texas Health Presbyterian over the weekend. Officials said this person, who also has not been identified, was the only one believed to have come in contact with the infected nurse while she was symptomatic.
On Monday, Texas State Health Services Commissioner David Lakey, MD, said an initial cleaning of the woman's apartment had been completed. However, her dog is still there under observation and a final definitive cleaning is waiting for officials to find another location for the dog. There is no plan to euthanize it as was done for a dog belonging to the Spanish nurse who contracted Ebola in Madrid.
Asked about stiffer travel restrictions for individuals who, like Duncan, may have been exposed to Ebola in West Africa, Frieden indicated that he was satisfied with current policies.
Over the weekend, screening at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport began. Frieden said 91 people were pulled aside because they had been in one of the West African nations where Ebola is rampant (Sierra Leone, Guinea, and Liberia).
But all 91 passed fever checks and detailed questioning about their time in the Ebola hot-zones and were allowed on their way, he said.
He said an outright ban on entry for everyone coming from those areas could undermine the best way to protect Americans: to "stop it at the source." Such a ban would complicate aid efforts to the stricken nations and make it harder to contain the epidemic there. That in turn would make it more likely that Ebola would continue to be exported from the region, Frieden suggested.
Screening like that at JFK is to commence this week at airports in Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, and Newark. Collectively, the five airports have been the point of entry for 94% of passengers traveling from the three West African nations officials said last week.
Infectious Disease
Ebola: Infection Control Needs Rethink
Published: Oct 13, 2014
By John Gever, Managing Editor, MedPage Today
Spoiler:
CDC Director Tom Frieden, MD, acknowledged that the case of a Dallas healthcare worker who developed Ebola "does change substantially how we address" efforts to prevent additional infections.
During a press call with reporters on Monday, Frieden insisted that the case did not undermine the prevailing theories of how Ebola is transmitted. But it does suggest that existing infection control measures may not be adequate.
He also said he "would not be surprised if we saw additional cases" among healthcare workers at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas where the current patient worked, and where the first U.S. case was diagnosed and later died.
The still unidentified female Texas Health Presbyterian worker is the first person to become infected with Ebola in the U.S. Other individuals treated for Ebola in U.S. hospitals contracted the disease in West Africa.
She had helped care for Thomas Eric Duncan, the 42-year-old Liberian man who was diagnosed with Ebola after arriving in Dallas and who died last week. A Dallas newspaper identified her as a nurse.
Officials said on the weekend that she developed a low-grade fever on Friday and was quickly placed in isolation. On Sunday, lab tests confirmed that she was infected with Ebola. The hospital has not released information on her clinical condition; Frieden said Monday he had been told she is "clinically stable" but declined to give details, referring questions back to the hospital.
Frieden said investigators are now closely monitoring procedures for donning and removing protective gear in the hospital. Officials are also considering whether other types of gowns, masks, gloves, and other equipment might reduce the risk of exposure during changes, he said.
But he suggested that full hazmat suits are almost certainly not the answer because of the difficulties they create for patient care and for the workers themselves.
Frank Esper, MD, an infectious disease specialist at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland, told MedPage Today that workers must strike a balance between self-protection and their job responsibilities.
"Some institutions are opting to use a full-body hood" instead of face shields and masks, he said. This provides "a lot of protection for the healthcare worker.
"The biggest problem with a lot of this," he continued, "is that we're very compassionate when we try to take care of our patients. We want to be able to relate to them, we want them to feel secure."
He said it makes patients nervous to "see all these hoods and gowns and face masks" and that it runs counter to the goal of providing reassurance to patients.
During press briefings on Sunday, CDC and local officials said they didn't know exactly how the Dallas nurse had been exposed. She was said to have worn protective gear at all times while caring for the Liberian patient, Thomas Eric Duncan. But CDC director Tom Frieden, MD, said there must have been a "breach in protocol" at some point.
On the Monday press call, Frieden reiterated those conclusions.
He added that monitoring of 48 individuals who definitely or possibly had contact with Duncan prior to his hospital admission was continuing and that, as of now, none had shown signs of illness. Monitoring has now been extended to healthcare workers at Texas Health Presbyterian who were involved in Duncan's care.
Officials in Dallas have not identified the currently infected worker. The Dallas Morning Newssaid she is a nurse and that it had established her identity "through public records, social media sites, a state nursing database and interviews" but did not publish her name because the hospital had not confirmed it.
The newspaper said the nurse was a 2010 graduate of Texas Christian University and was described by friends as "big-hearted [and] compassionate."
Another individual identified as a "close contact" of the woman was also placed in isolation at Texas Health Presbyterian over the weekend. Officials said this person, who also has not been identified, was the only one believed to have come in contact with the infected nurse while she was symptomatic.
On Monday, Texas State Health Services Commissioner David Lakey, MD, said an initial cleaning of the woman's apartment had been completed. However, her dog is still there under observation and a final definitive cleaning is waiting for officials to find another location for the dog. There is no plan to euthanize it as was done for a dog belonging to the Spanish nurse who contracted Ebola in Madrid.
Asked about stiffer travel restrictions for individuals who, like Duncan, may have been exposed to Ebola in West Africa, Frieden indicated that he was satisfied with current policies.
Over the weekend, screening at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport began. Frieden said 91 people were pulled aside because they had been in one of the West African nations where Ebola is rampant (Sierra Leone, Guinea, and Liberia).
But all 91 passed fever checks and detailed questioning about their time in the Ebola hot-zones and were allowed on their way, he said.
He said an outright ban on entry for everyone coming from those areas could undermine the best way to protect Americans: to "stop it at the source." Such a ban would complicate aid efforts to the stricken nations and make it harder to contain the epidemic there. That in turn would make it more likely that Ebola would continue to be exported from the region, Frieden suggested.
Screening like that at JFK is to commence this week at airports in Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, and Newark. Collectively, the five airports have been the point of entry for 94% of passengers traveling from the three West African nations officials said last week.
There isn't anything damning or revelatory in that article aside from the click-batey and misleading title. Did you read it?
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Idiot with the Camelback is one less Counseling Form to do
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Idiot with the Camelback is one less Counseling Form to do
Damn, you are right. Over here we have walls and over there they do their doctoring outside. I also believe we give our medical staff gloves which your US picture seems to be missing. Is that stock photo of the kit provided to isolation personnel?
Edit. No, that is a stock photo for "surgical gown" so your photo comparison is not accurate. Unless this was a joke, in which case, stop spreading unnecessary fear through bad humor.
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DarkTraveler777 wrote: Unless this was a joke, in which case, stop spreading unnecessary fear through bad humor.
People have tried, he ignores.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
You *can*, and some people certainly do. The idea being that you are essentially clean from the wrists down, so while you are reaching for other theoretical clean areas (the back of your gown, back of your mask, etc) you shouldn't contaminate your hands now that the gloves are off.
I learned example #2 (page 3) during the time I worked in surgery (so we would in fact have hands and gowns that were covered in blood) and that is what I have always used. I always preferred doffing my eye protection after my gown so that I had some extra protection if any droplets get in the air during doffing.
The main problem with example #2 is that it can be harder to do if you are using gowns without tear-away ties. Disposable gowns have paper ties or strips of glue and you can pull on the front and make those ties snap. Gowns that are laundered don't have that option so you have to untie them manually.
The CDC has talked about double gloving, but at the same time has not really provided much guidance about that either.
Idiot with the Camelback is one less Counseling Form to do
Damn, you are right. Over here we have walls and over there they do their doctoring outside. I also believe we give our medical staff gloves which your US picture seems to be missing. Is that stock photo of the kit provided to isolation personnel?
Edit. No, that is a stock photo for "surgical gown" so your photo comparison is not accurate. Unless this was a joke, in which case, stop spreading unnecessary fear through bad humor.
Being a former SurgTech. She has on one set of Biogel Surgical Gloves
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Quote seem broken
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You are a former surgical tech and you are posting this drivel?
As for the gloves, hard to tell, the skin tone of her hands looks very similar to her exposed forehead/neck skin tone. It also doesn't look like the gloves are going over the cuffs of her garment.
Like this:
Though you did provide a tiny stock photo of a surgical gown and not isolation gear, so I guess I'll have to take your expertise at face value, which based on your posting behavior in this thread doesn't count for much in my opinion.
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