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Oh, for feth's sake.

Kendall Fisher wrote:Tori Spelling Quarantined in Hospital With Symptoms of Ebola



Tori Spelling was quarantined after being hospitalized this weekend for displaying several Ebola-like symptoms.

According to TMZ, the actress was running a fever, coughing uncontrollably and having trouble breathing when she was taken to Cedars Sinai Hospital in Beverly Hills, Calif.

With all the cases of Ebola popping up in the US lately, doctors took extra precaution and quarantined Spelling from other patients while treating her.

Fortunately, she was not carrying Ebola, but instead admitted for a severe case of bronchitis and a sinus infection. Doctors are still running additional blood tests, and a lung specialist has been called in to help cure the bronchitis.

Tori had to cancel a schedule press tour for the second season of her reality show True Tori to work on getting better.

 Breotan wrote:
Oh, for feth's sake.

Kendall Fisher wrote:Tori Spelling Quarantined in Hospital With Symptoms of Ebola



Tori Spelling was quarantined after being hospitalized this weekend for displaying several Ebola-like symptoms.

According to TMZ, the actress was running a fever, coughing uncontrollably and having trouble breathing when she was taken to Cedars Sinai Hospital in Beverly Hills, Calif.

With all the cases of Ebola popping up in the US lately, doctors took extra precaution and quarantined Spelling from other patients while treating her.

Fortunately, she was not carrying Ebola, but instead admitted for a severe case of bronchitis and a sinus infection. Doctors are still running additional blood tests, and a lung specialist has been called in to help cure the bronchitis.

Tori had to cancel a schedule press tour for the second season of her reality show True Tori to work on getting better.

For the good of Humanity!

So on NPR this morning i heard the CDC has issued guidelines that healthcare workers be "covered head to toe".

Thats a bit different than Droplet precautions....

I wonder why the extra cautionary measures for something not so hard to get....?

 TheMeanDM wrote:
So on NPR this morning i heard the CDC has issued guidelines that healthcare workers be "covered head to toe".

Thats a bit different than Droplet precautions....

I wonder why the extra cautionary measures for something not so hard to get....?

Starting back up with the conspiracies again, are we?

If it is so easy to catch, why have only two people caught it from the roughly 8 contracted the disease?

Because its easier to get...

Sounds like they finally went for the full shwing like health care workers are doing in Africa.

What an amazing derp derp moment.

Because two people caring for him when he was most infections got sick, so they are in "better safe than sorry mode" and "cover your ass" mode.

The people living with him and sharing his bed did not get the disease that really isn't that easy to get.


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I think in done posting actual facts about the disease. If people want to be scared and freak out despite the actual evidence just go ahead. I'll post news stories, but there is no point repeating the same thing another ten times...

 Frazzled wrote:
Because its easier to get.

Yeah, it's much "easier" to get when you are a medical professional dealing directly with bodily fluids with high viral counts.


By the way, that is neither a new nor earth-shattering notion so I don't understand why that is constantly being touted as a "Gotcha!" moment around here. It doesn't do anything but confirm what we already know about how the disease is spread.

This thread makes me happy. Human common ignorance at full throttle.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Because its easier to get.

Yeah, it's much "easier" to get when you are a medical professional dealing directly with bodily fluids with high viral counts.


By the way, that is neither a new nor earth-shattering notion so I don't understand why that is constantly being touted as a "Gotcha!" moment around here. It doesn't do anything but confirm what we already know about how the disease is spread.

DERP because the CDC didn't recommend that BEFORE at least two nurses got sick DERP.
The disease has been around for 40 years.

Think I mention the difference couple pages back on what they were in Africa and what we were wearing here.....but its the US

 Frazzled wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Because its easier to get.

Yeah, it's much "easier" to get when you are a medical professional dealing directly with bodily fluids with high viral counts.


By the way, that is neither a new nor earth-shattering notion so I don't understand why that is constantly being touted as a "Gotcha!" moment around here. It doesn't do anything but confirm what we already know about how the disease is spread.

DERP because the CDC didn't recommend that BEFORE at least two nurses got sick DERP.
The disease has been around for 40 years.

It isn't a derp moment.

Eight Ebola patients have been treated in the US during the course of this outbreak and the only one that passed it to anyone was the guy who as being treated before his diagnosis.

Accord to the R0 number for Ebola, each person on average passes it to two more people. We've had at least eight patients and only two people have gotten sick, opposed to the average of sixteen. Now my maths aren't the best, but I'm confident that 2 < 16... So I'd say we're doing pretty good.

 Frazzled wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Because its easier to get.

Yeah, it's much "easier" to get when you are a medical professional dealing directly with bodily fluids with high viral counts.


By the way, that is neither a new nor earth-shattering notion so I don't understand why that is constantly being touted as a "Gotcha!" moment around here. It doesn't do anything but confirm what we already know about how the disease is spread.

DERP because the CDC didn't recommend that BEFORE at least two nurses got sick DERP.
The disease has been around for 40 years.

This...exactly.

Don't go around telling medical professionals that droplet precaution is all you need for how many weeks now....and all of a sudden do a mea culpa and an about face while telling professionals to burka-up.

As a medical professional myself, THAT is the thing that pisses me off the most. The constant backtracking and ineptitude.

I have zero fear I am going to contract Ebola. People don't come to Iowa...they leave it..for good reason.

New Ebola Czar position just astepping stone to succeed Podesta as White House Counselor.

Wow just wow.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/ron-klain-white-house-112067.html

Has anybody confirmed which strain of Ebola this is ?

Oh...and another thing the CDC is *finally* reco mmending to professionals: Use of a Respirator (such as the N95).

Again...why did they wait so long to do this?! Workers in Africa already followed these protocols.....are we so much smarter and better than the professionals who have been fighting ebola for months/years/decades...?

hang on, there is no backtracking is there?

Full cover, including goggles and face-masks double gloving etc.

Isn't that standard procedure?

I mean I am not a medical professional but I know enough that potential contagious disease should be treated with respect.

 Frazzled wrote:
New Ebola Czar position just astepping stone to succeed Podesta as White House Counselor.

Wow just wow.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/ron-klain-white-house-112067.html

Wait a minute... You mean the guy appointed to a completely useless position solely to ease political pressure is a political insider who will most likely use his current position to move on to a higher position?

I know right. I mean why hire someone to fix the situation or at least be a good personal counselor on infectious diseases right?

 Frazzled wrote:
I know right. I mean why hire someone to fix the situation or at least be a good personal counselor on infectious diseases right?

Well, there isn't a problem to fix and we've already covered the idea that the person in charge of logistics doesn't have to be a doctor.

Like D said mentioned before, look at the boards of hospitals and other healthcare facilities and you'll find the same thing. If this were the Surgeon General, you'd have a case... But it isn't.

EDIT: I'm convinced that if Obama had picked Jesus Christ for the position, people would still find something to bitch about.

If there wasn't a problem why did the nurses have the wrong protocol? How did the other nurse get advised its ok to be on a plane? How was she allowed on a plane?

Can't bitch about someone who-as you noted-is irrelevant.

 Frazzled wrote:
If there wasn't a problem why did the nurses have the wrong protocol? How did the other nurse get advised its ok to be on a plane? How was she allowed on a plane?

Can't bitch about someone who-as you noted-is irrelevant.

Frazz...

It falls squarely on that Nurse and the institution implementing that protocol.

Sure, things could've been handled better by the CDC and Obama administration... but, the magic happens in the Clinical Areas... not what the government "recommends".

But they had the wrong protocol to begin with.

 Frazzled wrote:
But they had the wrong protocol to begin with.

Right... shame on them.

I thought the 8 signs, in one doctors waiting room, telling travelers from Africa who may exhibit symptoms similar to Ebola to stay away and contact by phone, were quite amusing.

8 signs in one waiting room.

Surely it would be better to communicate this efficiently, maybe by placing the sign by the doors. or at ports and airports, channel tunnel stops?

The signs were obscuring more important info, like that asking people if their cold is really a reason to see the doctor.

[EDIT: I'm convinced that if Obama had picked Jesus Christ for the position, people would still find something to bitch about.

 Easy E wrote:
[EDIT: I'm convinced that if Obama had picked Jesus Christ for the position, people would still find something to bitch about.

I'll say. What does that guy know about Ebola? He would just heal the sick and raise the dead. Pfft. That doesn't help them not get infected in the first place. Talk about a reactive response to the crisis. We need someone who can lead and be proactive.

Radical Christian, Secretmuslim, with a War on Religion!

 Mr. Burning wrote:
I thought the 8 signs, in one doctors waiting room, telling travelers from Africa who may exhibit symptoms similar to Ebola to stay away and contact by phone, were quite amusing.

8 signs in one waiting room.

Surely it would be better to communicate this efficiently, maybe by placing the sign by the doors. or at ports and airports, channel tunnel stops?

The signs were obscuring more important info, like that asking people if their cold is really a reason to see the doctor.

Maybe they just caught a good sale on "No Ebola permitted" signs.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:
I thought the 8 signs, in one doctors waiting room, telling travelers from Africa who may exhibit symptoms similar to Ebola to stay away and contact by phone, were quite amusing.

8 signs in one waiting room.

Surely it would be better to communicate this efficiently, maybe by placing the sign by the doors. or at ports and airports, channel tunnel stops?

The signs were obscuring more important info, like that asking people if their cold is really a reason to see the doctor.

Maybe they just caught a good sale on "No Ebola permitted" signs.

I would laugh but they actually printed and laminated them their selves.

Shows how differnt surgeries and hospital trusts (in the uk) operate.

 Frazzled wrote:
But they had the wrong protocol to begin with.

The CDC said in an television interview that their initial guidelines were inadequate and wrong--and that the Texas hospital followed the suggested guidelines at the time. It appears the guidelines were more for field treatment rather than acute care--and now they've changed them.

So, it appears it was;

CDC not having the proper guidelines
The Hospital followed the CDC guidelines
The guidelines were inadequate and the nurses contracted ebola

So, it appears it was on the CDC, although I'm surprised the hospital didn't clarify on what protocol they should be following--when they saw their nurses would have skin exposed during treatment. Knowing this, I feel sorry for the hospital and the nurses--I read the CEO took out a two page ad apologizing to the public about the incident--but doubt it will do any good. That hospital will forever be the "Ebola hospital" now and no amount of rebranding, Studer Excellence Awards or JCAHO accreditation will be able to wipe that away.


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 loki old fart wrote:
Has anybody confirmed which strain of Ebola this is ?

It's difficult to say, at one point there were virologists studying the RNA genetic lineage of this particular virus--and they stated there was around 350 mutations at this point. I believe the closest "known" strain is the Zaire strain but that might have changed since then. Right now, they can't even accurately count how many cases there are---the WHO estimates a correction factor of 2 right now due to underreporting, cultural differences, etc. Which means, they believe if every case was adequately diagnosed via a lab test and accounted for--the current outbreak is hovering somewhere around 18,000. They use a number of methods to determine this, models based on how many beds should be occupied at any given time, the CDC uses capture-recapture, etc. I think the CDC is estimating a correction factor of more like 2.5 but I guess we'll see after it's contained.