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If Peter is still around perhaps he (or any friendly mod) could retitle the thread since the scope has clearly shifted to a general purpose Ebola thread, or perhaps referencing NYC as the current big US "outbreak".
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Ouze wrote: If Peter is still around perhaps he (or any friendly mod) could retitle the thread since the scope has clearly shifted to a general purpose Ebola thread, or perhaps referencing NYC as the current big US "outbreak".
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New York City police officers working around the Harlem apartment of Craig Spencer, the doctor who tested positive for the Ebola virus on Thursday, were caught discarding their protective gloves and masks in a street-corner trash bin.
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A nurse quarantined on her return to the US from treating Ebola patients in Sierra Leone has criticised the way she was dealt with at Newark airport.
Kaci Hickox said the experience was frightening and could deter other health workers from travelling to West Africa to help tackle the Ebola virus.
Illinois has become the third state after New York and New Jersey to impose stricter quarantine rules.
Meanwhile the US ambassador to the United Nations is to visit West Africa.
Samantha Power will travel to Guinea on Sunday, continuing later to Liberia and Sierra Leone - the three worst-hit countries.
"For me the benefits of having first hand knowledge of what is happening in these countries gravely outweighs the almost nonexistent risk of actually travelling to these countries, provided I take the proper precautions," she said on Saturday.
She said she hoped her trip would "draw attention to the need for increased support for the international response".
The White House has expressed concern that strict quarantine restrictions such as those imposed in New York, New Jersey and Illinois could put off aid workers and others travelling to West Africa to help mitigate the crisis at its source.
More than 10,000 people have contracted the Ebola virus, with 4,922 deaths, according to the World Health Organization's latest figures.
Only 27 of the cases have occurred outside Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea.
Airport ordeal
Ms Hickox, of medical charity Doctors Without Borders, described seeing a "frenzy of disorganisation, fear and most frightening, quarantine" on her return from Sierra Leone on Friday.
Writing for The Dallas Morning News, she asked whether fellow health workers would "face the same ordeal".
The WHO warns the number of Ebola cases may be much higher than the figures recorded
"Will they be made to feel like criminals and prisoners?" she questioned.
She said she was kept in isolation at the airport terminal for seven hours and given only a cereal bar to eat.
She also denied that she had had a fever, saying she was merely flushed because of the upset caused by her treatment at the airport.
Though Ms Hickox tested negative in a preliminary test for the virus, she will remain under quarantine for three weeks and continue to be monitored by health officials.
Stricter quarantine measures were put in place in New York and New Jersey after a doctor, Craig Spencer, tested positive for the virus on his return from Guinea last week.
He is currently being treated at New York's Bellevue Hospital in isolation.
'Facts not fear'
The new measures mean that anyone who has had contact with Ebola victims in West Africa now faces a mandatory 21-day quarantine period.
Illinois governor Pat Quinn announced on Saturday that his state would start imposing the same measures, without providing further details.
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Researchers have proved the technique works by developing a prototype Ebola test in just 12 hours, and using just $20 of materials.
The smart diagnostics use a soup of biological ingredients including the genetic material RNA.
The researchers say this can be freeze-dried and preserved on ordinary paper.
Team leader Jim Collins, who has joint appointments at Boston and Harvard Universities, says the biological powder can be reactivated by simply adding water, like living powdered soup.
"We were surprised at how well these materials worked after being freeze dried," he told the BBC.
"Once they're rehydrated, these biological circuits function in these small paper disks as if they were inside a living cell."
Genetic hacking
Jim Collins is a leading pioneer in the field of synthetic biology, whose 2000 paper showing genetic circuits could be created in the same way as electronic circuits can be programmed, helped launch the discipline.
Since then, synthetic biology has become a powerful tool in fundamental biology, with researchers hacking the genetic programmes of microbes to study their life processes, or give them the power to compute using logic like a digital processor.
Collins' group has previously reprogrammed bacteria to become cellular spies, recording events as they pass through an animal's bowels.
But the discipline has required specialist skills, so that few laboratories can take advantage of the techniques. The researchers' avowed intention in the new work, described in the journal Cell, is to make synthetic biology widely available.
They've definitely succeeded, says Professor Lingchong You, an expert in cellular reprogramming at Duke University.
"This paper-based approach is incredibly attractive. It feels like you could use it in your garage! It'll give scientists a synthetic-biology playground for a very low cost."
'Biochemical soup'
The materials in the powdered biochemical soup include simple enzymes that bacteria need, molecules to power the chemical reactions, amino acids which are the bricks of cell biology, and importantly ribosomes, giant molecular machines that read genetic material and use it to assemble the bricks into functioning proteins.
In liquid form, these cell extracts are routinely used in biology labs. Linchong You gives credit to Collins for having the imagination to freeze dry them with synthetic genes.
"With hindsight, it's obvious it should work. But most of us don't think in this direction - there was a real leap of faith. But the fact you can leave these freeze-dried systems for a year, and they'll still work - that's quite remarkable."
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A quarantine location so luxurious that health care workers will look forward to their 21 day quarantine, or at least not dread it.
What if the federal government took over an isolated resort, say on the Gulf Coast. Stocked it with finest foods and wines in the land, and the best films and recreation and wireless Internet access and volunteer musical acts — a French widow in every room... Equivalent to a very expensive vacation, available for free to any returning volunteer. The only catch is they couldn’t leave for 21 days. (They could bring their spouses and partners, if they wanted; but then the spouses couldn’t leave either.)
Can't be that much more expensive than other government spending...
Definitely cheaper then the last government junket to Vegas.
I like this plan.
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With the incubation period for the disease being up to 21 days why are we not seeing a period of quarantine before medical staff return to their country of origin?
(CNN) -- In the fight against Ebola, Australia has said: No thanks.
Immigration Minister Scott Morrison announced "strong controls" on arrivals from West African countries affected by cases of the deadly disease.
Telling Australia's parliament during a question time session Monday that his ministry was currently "not processing any application from these (Ebola) affected countries," he said that the government was also suspending its humanitarian program.
READ: New Jersey releases nurse quarantined in Ebola scare
He added that holders of permanent Australian visas based in these countries would be subject to a mandatory, three-week quarantine process prior to their departure. Visitors approved to travel to Australia will also face further screening and followup checks upon arrival.
Kofi Annan: Ebola a 'poor man's disease' Ebola's ground zero still struggling The government's powers during emergencies Renowned AIDS activist on Ebola quarantines
The announcement came as a "surprise," the Australian Medical Association (AMA) president Brian Owler told CNN, who said that the chance of the disease entering the country through a migrant from the region was very low.
"It's not necessarily a very well-focused decision. The bigger picture needs to be on our preparedness at home but more importantly our involvement in West Africa itself, putting doctors and nurses and other logistical elements in place and trying to combat the crisis there."
He added that the government had sought the advice of "very few people," and had excluded the AMA.
Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said: "I not always agree with the Australian Medical Association, but I take them seriously and I think that the AMA invariably has the national interest at heart."
The announcement that no refugees will be accepted from West Africa must be overturned, the Australian Greens have said.
"While the government drags its feet in responding to the Ebola crisis, Scott Morrison has slammed the door on West African refugees," the Greens' immigration spokesperson, Senator Sarah Hanson-Young said.
"The immigration minister's crusade against those in need has spread to West Africa and is simply unacceptable.
"This miserly, selfish and cruel announcement from the government is not a reflection of our nation's character."
READ: Ebola outbreak: Get up to speed
'Make advice public'
The main opposition party called on the government to make the advice that informed its policy public.
"We want the government to release the advice on which this decision has been made," Labor's foreign affairs spokesman Matt Thistlethwaite said.
"We need to be absolutely certain that this government isn't being tough but dumb when it comes to protecting Australians from the risk of Ebola infection at home," Thistlethwaite was quoted by the ABC as saying.
Former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan told CNN's Richard Quest that isolationism was not the answer to the current health crisis.
"The doctors from (the) WHO, to the CDC here and other countries have indicated that the worst thing you want to do is close off the borders and come up with this sort of restrictions and scare away potential help," he said.
"Our concern should be with the public safety and public health but we have to accept that the only way we can deal with it in the medium to long term is to stop the epidemic."
Concerns are being raised that the Australian response is largely engineered to create political capital, particularly given the country's well-documented hard line on immigration.
"There have been people here in Australia that have been asking for this kind of approach and I think the main drive is political," Owler said. "Of course it will always be dressed up as a solution to keeping Australians safe but in actual fact the people who are coming from West Africa, a number of them are coming on humanitarian grounds so there are concerns about why their visas are being denied, and for what period of time they'll be denied for."
The nonprofit Medicines Sans Frontiers, also known as Doctors Without Borders, echoed the sentiment, saying that "developed countries' prevention strategies ... seem to have more political than medical implications."
Abbott defended the government's decision, pointing to an AUS $18 million ($15.9 million) investment to combat the spread of the disease in West Africa, saying his "government are taking very serious steps to address the Ebola crisis."
He added that the Australian authorities "are continuing to talk to our friends and partners about what more might be done to address the situation in West Africa," and that he did "not rule out Australia doing more."
The Australian move follows North Korea's tourist ban, also instigated over fears of the spread of the disease.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: With the incubation period for the disease being up to 21 days why are we not seeing a period of quarantine before medical staff return to their country of origin?
Because we have a few options:
1) Let medical staff do their job, perform thorough screening and monitoring upon their return, stop the current Ebola outbreak in Africa, get back to normal.
2) Reduce the number of medical staff willing to volunteer in Africa, increase the current Ebola outbreak, have people trying to flee from the outbreak circumvent restrictions and sneak into other countries, have everything get worse.
The presence of Ebola in our country is a little unsettling, but is not something to freak out over.
The media is doing a great job at causing hysteria, its annoying.
In multiple aspects, the US is a great place to be, we're relatively safe and secure.
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: With the incubation period for the disease being up to 21 days why are we not seeing a period of quarantine before medical staff return to their country of origin?
Because we have a few options:
1) Let medical staff do their job, perform thorough screening and monitoring upon their return, stop the current Ebola outbreak in Africa, get back to normal.
2) Reduce the number of medical staff willing to volunteer in Africa, increase the current Ebola outbreak, have people trying to flee from the outbreak circumvent restrictions and sneak into other countries, have everything get worse.
Based on the assumption that there would be a reduction in volunteers because of a quarantine period. Anything to substantiate this?
Dreadclaw69 wrote: With the incubation period for the disease being up to 21 days why are we not seeing a period of quarantine before medical staff return to their country of origin?
Because we have a few options:
1) Let medical staff do their job, perform thorough screening and monitoring upon their return, stop the current Ebola outbreak in Africa, get back to normal.
2) Reduce the number of medical staff willing to volunteer in Africa, increase the current Ebola outbreak, have people trying to flee from the outbreak circumvent restrictions and sneak into other countries, have everything get worse.
Based on the assumption that there would be a reduction in volunteers because of a quarantine period. Anything to substantiate this?
We can reasonably assume that adding an additional 3 weeks away from income and family will result in a drop in volunteers.
It's not like we used any substantiated scientific knowledge to institute the quarantines to begin with.
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: With the incubation period for the disease being up to 21 days why are we not seeing a period of quarantine before medical staff return to their country of origin?
Because we have a few options:
1) Let medical staff do their job, perform thorough screening and monitoring upon their return, stop the current Ebola outbreak in Africa, get back to normal.
2) Reduce the number of medical staff willing to volunteer in Africa, increase the current Ebola outbreak, have people trying to flee from the outbreak circumvent restrictions and sneak into other countries, have everything get worse.
Based on the assumption that there would be a reduction in volunteers because of a quarantine period. Anything to substantiate this?
Then those volunteers need to deal with it and be fething reasonable... even if it's an over-reaction.
And if it's such a big issue, setup a luxurious quarantine location.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: With the incubation period for the disease being up to 21 days why are we not seeing a period of quarantine before medical staff return to their country of origin?
Because we have a few options:
1) Let medical staff do their job, perform thorough screening and monitoring upon their return, stop the current Ebola outbreak in Africa, get back to normal.
2) Reduce the number of medical staff willing to volunteer in Africa, increase the current Ebola outbreak, have people trying to flee from the outbreak circumvent restrictions and sneak into other countries, have everything get worse.
Based on the assumption that there would be a reduction in volunteers because of a quarantine period. Anything to substantiate this?
Then those volunteers need to deal with it and be fething reasonable... even if it's an over-reaction.
Yeah, feth rights and civil liberties. Those people risking their lives to volunteer to fight Ebola and stop it at the source are a bunch of whiny pussies who should just deal with a bunch of non-science based solutions that will only make things worse.
But hey, let's listen to idiot politicians instead of the medical community.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: With the incubation period for the disease being up to 21 days why are we not seeing a period of quarantine before medical staff return to their country of origin?
Because we have a few options:
1) Let medical staff do their job, perform thorough screening and monitoring upon their return, stop the current Ebola outbreak in Africa, get back to normal. 2) Reduce the number of medical staff willing to volunteer in Africa, increase the current Ebola outbreak, have people trying to flee from the outbreak circumvent restrictions and sneak into other countries, have everything get worse.
Based on the assumption that there would be a reduction in volunteers because of a quarantine period. Anything to substantiate this?
Then those volunteers need to deal with it and be fething reasonable... even if it's an over-reaction.
Yeah, feth rights and civil liberties. Those people risking their lives to volunteer to fight Ebola and stop it at the source are a bunch of whiny pussies who should just deal with a bunch of non-science based solutions that will only make things worse.
But hey, let's listen to idiot politicians instead of the medical community.
Hey... I thought liberals were all about peoples fee fees?
So... assuage their concerns.
For feth's sake man... these volunteers need to take account about COMING BACK to the states.
It's the same fething thing when you send your kids to school... you have NO choice but to get your kids innoculated.
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: Based on the assumption that there would be a reduction in volunteers because of a quarantine period. Anything to substantiate this?
We can reasonably assume that adding an additional 3 weeks away from income and family will result in a drop in volunteers.
It's not like we used any substantiated scientific knowledge to institute the quarantines to begin with.
No nothing to actually substantiate your claim then.
It should go without saying that those being placed in quarantine should be reimbursed for the time spent there. The three weeks could be factored into their total deployed time, so there would be no delay in getting back to their families.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: With the incubation period for the disease being up to 21 days why are we not seeing a period of quarantine before medical staff return to their country of origin?
Because we have a few options:
1) Let medical staff do their job, perform thorough screening and monitoring upon their return, stop the current Ebola outbreak in Africa, get back to normal.
2) Reduce the number of medical staff willing to volunteer in Africa, increase the current Ebola outbreak, have people trying to flee from the outbreak circumvent restrictions and sneak into other countries, have everything get worse.
Based on the assumption that there would be a reduction in volunteers because of a quarantine period. Anything to substantiate this?
Then those volunteers need to deal with it and be fething reasonable... even if it's an over-reaction.
Yeah, feth rights and civil liberties. Those people risking their lives to volunteer to fight Ebola and stop it at the source are a bunch of whiny pussies who should just deal with a bunch of non-science based solutions that will only make things worse.
But hey, let's listen to idiot politicians instead of the medical community.
Don't go down the civil liberties road. you auto-lose on that. Quarantine laws/orders are centuries old stare decisis at this point.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Dreadclaw69 wrote: Based on the assumption that there would be a reduction in volunteers because of a quarantine period. Anything to substantiate this?
We can reasonably assume that adding an additional 3 weeks away from income and family will result in a drop in volunteers.
It's not like we used any substantiated scientific knowledge to institute the quarantines to begin with.
No nothing to actually substantiate your claim then.
It should go without saying that those being placed in quarantine should be reimbursed for the time spent there. The three weeks could be factored into their total deployed time, so there would be no delay in getting back to their families.
Just less time for them to do what they went there to do.
That's how many people have come back and developed Ebola. Neither of which have contaminated anybody while they were still outside the hospital.
We are talking about a disease that is NOT contagious until after you develop symptoms. A disease that makes it super easy to monitor people that were exposed to see if they are developing symptoms. A disease that is really hard to catch in the community.
That's why it's absolutely stupid to propose of enforce a quarantine that will result in less workers going to Africa, which is the opposite of what you would want if you want the disease to stop spreading.
I mean, it's not like we have a lot of diseases that are actually airborne, spread a lot easier, which are contagious before you even know that people are sick, and which kills a lot more people than Ebola. We didn't do it for SARS, we didn't do it for Flu, and there is zero reason to do it now.
Implementing it is at best based on irrational fear partnered with absolutely no knowledge of the science behind the disease, and at worst it's pure political pandering prior to midterm elections.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: With the incubation period for the disease being up to 21 days why are we not seeing a period of quarantine before medical staff return to their country of origin?
Because we have a few options:
1) Let medical staff do their job, perform thorough screening and monitoring upon their return, stop the current Ebola outbreak in Africa, get back to normal.
2) Reduce the number of medical staff willing to volunteer in Africa, increase the current Ebola outbreak, have people trying to flee from the outbreak circumvent restrictions and sneak into other countries, have everything get worse.
Based on the assumption that there would be a reduction in volunteers because of a quarantine period. Anything to substantiate this?
Then those volunteers need to deal with it and be fething reasonable... even if it's an over-reaction.
Yeah, feth rights and civil liberties. Those people risking their lives to volunteer to fight Ebola and stop it at the source are a bunch of whiny pussies who should just deal with a bunch of non-science based solutions that will only make things worse.
But hey, let's listen to idiot politicians instead of the medical community.
Don't go down the civil liberties road. you auto-lose on that. Quarantine laws/orders are centuries old stare decisis at this point.
Nothing wrong with those laws, if based on actual knowledge about a disease. Quarantines that are enforced beside effective and less restrictive alternatives should be concerning to all you defenders of civil liberties.
I took 6 months worth if TB meds courtesy of the health department. They could have easily quarantined me for those 6 months to ensure compliance with the regimen. Instead I was quarantined to my room at college until the initial radiology results came back negative (a couple hours), had to wear a mask for a couple days until my sputum samples were analyzed, and report to the health department once a month for monitoring, lab draws, and refills. That's because knowledge of the disease resulted in a process that balanced my civil liberties with the needs for public safety.
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d-usa wrote: That's why it's absolutely stupid to propose of enforce a quarantine that will result in less workers going to Africa, which is the opposite of what you would want if you want the disease to stop spreading.
Still waiting on a source for this
d-usa wrote: Implementing it is at best based on irrational fear partnered with absolutely no knowledge of the science behind the disease, and at worst it's pure political pandering prior to midterm elections.
The only person injecting politics into this discussion between us is you.
d-usa wrote: That's why it's absolutely stupid to propose of enforce a quarantine that will result in less workers going to Africa, which is the opposite of what you would want if you want the disease to stop spreading.
Still waiting on a source for this
I can't source common sense for you.
If you want to believe that locking people away for three weeks will not have any impact on volunteers then feel free to believe that. But then feel free to post sources for your "opinions" since you are asking for them.
Common sense dictates that making something harder will result in less people doing it.
d-usa wrote: Implementing it is at best based on irrational fear partnered with absolutely no knowledge of the science behind the disease, and at worst it's pure political pandering prior to midterm elections.
The only person injecting politics into this discussion between us is you.
I didn't I next politics into the discussion between us. This has nothing to do with your political leanings or my political leanings. I'm saying that I think that politicians are looking at politics instead of science when making some of those decisions.
If you think that politics has no influence on their decisions then more power to you.
However, it's easy to use logic to come to the conclusion that effectively placing people under house arrest just for traveling home from certain places over seas could have a negative consequence... I don't think that takes a massive leap of logic to get there.
It's also a borderline breech of rights too.
The only person injecting politics into this discussion between us is you.
Come on, that's just dishonest.
This entire "outbreak" has been politically charged in the public arena from day one (by both sides, mind you).
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Total nine states have strict guide lines on dealing with a new arrival from West Africa. Stricter then CDC and the WH
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Equivalent to a very expensive vacation, available for free to any returning volunteer. The only catch is they couldn’t leave for 21 days. (They could bring their spouses and partners, if they wanted; but then the spouses couldn’t leave either.)
