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rigeld2 wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
Nids are a monobuild army.

That's just not true.

Every list I see is Double Flyrants, Malanthropes, Mawlocs, Biovores, and Hive Crones, with Rippers capping objectives.

Verviedi wrote:

Not really. There are some other people who go to the GW store to play games, but since I can only go on weekends, there's either a guy there who wants to play me or a ghost town where the manager and I paint things in silence. My other opponents are a really nice DE player and another nid player who brings a tournament list (Still a cool guy), but they are not always there.

If there's a GW store, there are other players around. Use Craigslist to find other people and get organized around games, talk to the guy running the store about organizing a tournament, get email addresses / phone numbers of people and use them to connect. I think Dakka has a find a game forum that can be useful.

It just seems to me the people around you are discouraging you from learning more about the game or becoming a better player. That's not how it should be.

Verviedi wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
Nids are a monobuild army.

That's just not true.

Every list I see is Double Flyrants, Malanthropes, Mawlocs, Biovores, and Hive Crones, with Rippers capping objectives.

So you're not reading the nid tactic thread at all? Because there's lots of other lists in there.

edit: Heck, Hulksmash has a list allied with Demons that does well.

rigeld2 wrote:

Verviedi wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
Nids are a monobuild army.

That's just not true.

Every list I see is Double Flyrants, Malanthropes, Mawlocs, Biovores, and Hive Crones, with Rippers capping objectives.

So you're not reading the nid tactic thread at all? Because there's lots of other lists in there.

edit: Heck, Hulksmash has a list allied with Demons that does well.

I am. Every list I see is either that or more of a funlist (NINE CARNIFICES!)
Also, I am not a fan of allying Tyranids with anybody.

Verviedi wrote:

 Lord Commissar wrote:
Not to sound negative, but the particular Tau list in the OP is rather bad. Everytime I face a Tau list in a tournament it seems identical.

2 Missileside squads, sometimes with Drones, sometimes without, one is sometimes with a commander
2 Riptides
Some deepstriking melta suits
A Skyray
*Insert 2-3 favorite markerlight units here

Maybe the odd hammerhead for killing the CCB, Usually something to bubble wrap the above squads, maybe a missilesuit squad.


That type of list is a bit rough for tyranids, as your flyrants don't exist after turn 1. Flying or not.


If you can play the speed game and stay outside of 36 inches of the sides, you can just move on objectives last turn, albeit this is not a very fun game to play. I remember once first blood was the last turn of the game when I played against that Tau list.


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The iridium commander if he deeps strikes into your line is killed by any smash attack, use the MC of your choice.

How do I charge something with 6 Wall of Death attacks? Also, Sworn Protecter and drones. It'll go like this.
Smash! *Enemy removes gun drone*

Personal favorite approach is slap the squad with the Horror power, now no flamers or Overwatch. or hit in two waves and don't bother with smash. Also flamers vs our MC's? That is needing 6's to wound and you still get the armor save. After that you get a free hammer of Wrath, and 4+ AP2 hits that will wound on an 2+. Since he is not Fearless let him kill off his drones and then suits, You have a good chance of sweeping him, or making the squad fall back till it is out of effective range for a turn.




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Verviedi wrote:
Nids are a monobuild army. The only viable list I can make using the models I have is this-

Flyrant w/ Electrogrubs and Devourers
Flyrant w/ Electrogrubs and Devourers

Venomthrope
Zoanthrope

Termagants
Hormagaunts
Tervigon
Rippers

Gargoyles

Carnifex

Not quite true, though that is using most of the good units in the codex. Back on page 4 I gave you a solid list based on your existing models and tactics to run it with built around a Venom in a box and foot sloggers..

Verviedi wrote:
Nids are a monobuild army. The only viable list I can make using the models I have is this-

Flyrant w/ Electrogrubs and Devourers
Flyrant w/ Electrogrubs and Devourers

Venomthrope
Zoanthrope

Termagants
Hormagaunts
Tervigon
Rippers

Gargoyles

Carnifex

That looks just fine...

Do you think my opponent will support me using dataslates DLed from the internet? I want to use Endless Swarm, but I won't waste a week's allowance on it.

how about allies? take a tank commander, a single troop choice and some more Leman Russes? Come the Apocalypse is not what it was in sixth.

for narrative, you can say that the tank crews are a corrupted genestealer cult.

 carldooley wrote:
how about allies? take a tank commander, a single troop choice and some more Leman Russes? Come the Apocalypse is not what it was in sixth.

for narrative, you can say that the tank crews are a corrupted genestealer cult.

I haven't though of that! Thanks!


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Current Draft of List:
TauWrecking List-

Primary Detachment (Tyranids)
HQ-
Flyrant with TL Devs and eGrubs (240 points)
Flyrant with TL Devs and eGrubs (240 points)

Troops-
30 Termagants (15 Devourers) (180 points)
Tervigon (Crushing Claws) (210 points)
3 Ripper Swarms (Spinefists) (63 points)

Elites-
Venomthrope (45 points)
Zoanthrope (50 points)

Allied Detachment (Imperial Guard)
HQ-
Vanquisher Commander w/ Vanquisher (Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Hull Mounted Lascannons) (390 points)

Troops-
Veteran Squad (Grenade Launcher, Bolt Pistol, Chimera, Grenadiers) (150 points)
Veteran Squad (Grenade Launcher, Grenadiers) (75 points)

Total- 1,643 Points

Verviedi wrote:
Do you think my opponent will support me using dataslates DLed from the internet? I want to use Endless Swarm, but I won't waste a week's allowance on it.

Better not, he has used wrong rules and prices off forums.

Verviedi wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
Nids are a monobuild army.

That's just not true.

Every list I see is Double Flyrants, Malanthropes, Mawlocs, Biovores, and Hive Crones, with Rippers capping objectives.

Every Eldar list I see has Farseers, Wraithknights, Jetbikes, Wave Serpents, Fire Warriors.
Every Tau list I see has Riptides, Broadsides, Hammerheads, Kroot, Crisis Suits, Farsight,
Every Space Marine list has Bikes, Tac squads, Drop Pods, Centurions, Chapter masters..

You can play that game with every Dex.

Fragile wrote:

Every Tau list I see has Riptides, Broadsides, Hammerheads, Kroot, Crisis Suits, Farsight,
I can't do much here, except use an Aegis and a LOT of pathfinders?
Every Space Marine list has Bikes, Tac squads, Drop Pods, Centurions, Chapter masters..
Then I suppose that my MotF and 6 dreadnoughts are a list that break the mold?

 carldooley wrote:

Fragile wrote:

Every Tau list I see has Riptides, Broadsides, Hammerheads, Kroot, Crisis Suits, Farsight,
I can't do much here, except use an Aegis and a LOT of pathfinders?
Every Space Marine list has Bikes, Tac squads, Drop Pods, Centurions, Chapter masters..
Then I suppose that my MotF and 6 dreadnoughts are a list that break the mold?

Yeah, actually MotF and 6 dreads would.

Verviedi- Honestly man, You know full well your opponent is a Donkey-cave. So knowing there is no pleasing him unless he has autowin on planet bowling ball, and even then he will cheat every chance he gets, Run whatever formation you want however you come by the rules.

If he pitches a fit about it, just sit down and paint some gants. Youre probably the only person in the area that will play him anymore, so eventually he will come around.

With that said, when he DOES come around, he is gonna piss and moan every time you do something that messes up his plans. If he cant show you the rules for it, he cant do it. And every time he throws a tantrum, just sit back and smile, because you are watching a grown man's sad little dreams of winning at something for once in his life die.

OH! and if he tries to argue a rule that you have in black and white and wont let up on it or anything like that, smile, start packing your dead, and if he still hasnt come around, pack up your minis, turn around and paint some gants.

NO game is worth that kinda hassle bro.

Your opponent contradicts himself. He blindly follows the GW managers orders not to believe anything he reads on the internet BUT uses the internet to look up points values and stats instead of reading his codex? Use dakka or craigslist to find other opponents/places to play. In my experience the FLGS is a more comfortable gaming place than a GW store.

Cambonimachine wrote:
Verviedi- Honestly man, You know full well your opponent is a Donkey-cave. So knowing there is no pleasing him unless he has autowin on planet bowling ball, and even then he will cheat every chance he gets, Run whatever formation you want however you come by the rules.

If he pitches a fit about it, just sit down and paint some gants. Youre probably the only person in the area that will play him anymore, so eventually he will come around.

With that said, when he DOES come around, he is gonna piss and moan every time you do something that messes up his plans. If he cant show you the rules for it, he cant do it. And every time he throws a tantrum, just sit back and smile, because you are watching a grown man's sad little dreams of winning at something for once in his life die.

OH! and if he tries to argue a rule that you have in black and white and wont let up on it or anything like that, smile, start packing your dead, and if he still hasnt come around, pack up your minis, turn around and paint some gants.

NO game is worth that kinda hassle bro.

Just got scans of Valedor, so I'm hunting for some nice, medium sharp formations.

Verviedi wrote:

Cambonimachine wrote:
Verviedi- Honestly man, You know full well your opponent is a Donkey-cave. So knowing there is no pleasing him unless he has autowin on planet bowling ball, and even then he will cheat every chance he gets, Run whatever formation you want however you come by the rules.

If he pitches a fit about it, just sit down and paint some gants. Youre probably the only person in the area that will play him anymore, so eventually he will come around.

With that said, when he DOES come around, he is gonna piss and moan every time you do something that messes up his plans. If he cant show you the rules for it, he cant do it. And every time he throws a tantrum, just sit back and smile, because you are watching a grown man's sad little dreams of winning at something for once in his life die.

OH! and if he tries to argue a rule that you have in black and white and wont let up on it or anything like that, smile, start packing your dead, and if he still hasnt come around, pack up your minis, turn around and paint some gants.

NO game is worth that kinda hassle bro.

Just got scans of Valedor, so I'm hunting for some nice, medium sharp formations.

Valedor is Apoc only stuff. You want the dataslates.

Played him. He went first.
Flyrant 1- Dead turn 1.
Flyrant 2- 1 wound left turn 1
This left the entire right side of the table with no Synapse. A unit of Termagants ran off the board.
I conceded turn 2 when both my Tervigon and Zoanthrope died, leaving my army with 0 Synapse.

Being forced to start the game in Gliding mode is BS.

Why do i have the feeling you got cheated... again?

Cambonimachine wrote:
Why do i have the feeling you got cheated... again?

Doubtful

Verviedi wrote:
Played him. He went first.
Flyrant 1- Dead turn 1.
Flyrant 2- 1 wound left turn 1
This left the entire right side of the table with no Synapse. A unit of Termagants ran off the board.
I conceded turn 2 when both my Tervigon and Zoanthrope died, leaving my army with 0 Synapse.

Being forced to start the game in Gliding mode is BS.

How did the Flyrants die first turn?

And what did the rest of the army consist of? Synapse isn't an issue for some models.

 Frozocrone wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
Played him. He went first.
Flyrant 1- Dead turn 1.
Flyrant 2- 1 wound left turn 1
This left the entire right side of the table with no Synapse. A unit of Termagants ran off the board.
I conceded turn 2 when both my Tervigon and Zoanthrope died, leaving my army with 0 Synapse.

Being forced to start the game in Gliding mode is BS.

How did the Flyrants die first turn?
You have to start the game in Gliding mode. Railgunned and Pulse Rifled to death because he went first.

And what did the rest of the army consist of? Synapse isn't an issue for some models.

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I spent most of that game half-comatose, it was so boring and one-sided.

Well that's true...but you should have been able to take armour saves from the Pulse Rifles, unless your opponent

A) Cheated the amount of hits and wounds/S and AP values
B) You just got unlucky rolling saves, this happens to everyone

Also if Tau aren't ignoring your cover (they aren't all the time) then by sticking a Venomthrope near your Flyrants, you've got access to a 2+ cover (Gliding MC have access to Jink).

What list did your opponent run? Same one posted a few pages back?

I forgot about the jink thing as well... unless you just rolled awful you shouldnt have lost 1+most of the other flyrant

Your Flyrants can be left in reserve if you feel that his alpha-strike is too strong; however that's a large chunk of any list's synapse so I wouldn't recommend it. Remember the Flyrants can absolutely jink, that you should have 4+ cover somewhere on the board that you can set your Flyrants in or behind, and that most missions will roll for night fighting. You're looking at 3+ cover first turn no matter what, even if you're on planet bowling ball (4+ if no night fighting).

Also worth pointing out that you should probably grab a Venomthrope pretty soon. Even against Tau, it will make him have to shoot at things that aren't your Hive Tyrants first, and if you get a decent setup, you can set up the Venomthrope outside of line of sight of the Tau broadsides. He will make your Tyrants have +2 to their cover save (so 2+ in terrain or 2+ when the tyrants jink or 3+ when they are behind a second unit. That is increased to 2+ with night fighting). Basically you can make him want to go second because of the alpha-strike protection that you have against all but the best tau lists with less-than-ideal terrain coverage

Verviedi wrote:
Played him. He went first.
Flyrant 1- Dead turn 1.
Flyrant 2- 1 wound left turn 1
This left the entire right side of the table with no Synapse. A unit of Termagants ran off the board.
I conceded turn 2 when both my Tervigon and Zoanthrope died, leaving my army with 0 Synapse.

Being forced to start the game in Gliding mode is BS.

No Terrain again? You need to make yourself a bunker so you always have atleast one LOS blocking terrain.

make sure the table has terrain, or your game isn't going to be a lot of fun. nids live or die by their cover saves. venom and/or malanthrope and terrain are a must-take.

Newest members of the army.

Nice looking MC's!

SBG wrote:
Nice looking MC's!

Thank you. Just finished them.










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If they aren't price gouged too badly and they are viable, I may be ordering a Toxicrene or Maleceptor!