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*shrugs*

I like him. I just hope that I can replace one of his shoulder pads with the Deathwatch pad that comes in the vanilla Termy box.

I'd buy one of those sets to have the models, but I don't want to support GW that much. Space Hulk was a good move, this? Kind of tepid. The major store that I go to that still plays 40k has had 2 of the Space Wolf v Ork sets on sale since release.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*shrugs*

I like him. I just hope that I can replace one of his shoulder pads with the Deathwatch pad that comes in the vanilla Termy box.

Not that one data point is enough to make a line, but both of Krom's shoulder pauldrons were not molded on, so hopefully they did the same with this guy. The Strike Force Ultra Terminator Captain had only the Crux shoulder pad not molded, on, the pad where you put the chapter markings was molded to the arm. So hard to say what they did with this one. Honestly, I was kinda surprised that this guy wasn't just a remold of the SFU Terminator Captain. Toss on some BA livery and replace the sword with a Thunder Hammer, you are set. I would have been okay with that.

One thing I am hoping for is that they will release a Blood Angels Upgrade sprue like they did Dark Angels. Some fanged-mouth heads. Lots of blood drops and wings. Some jump packs with BA markings. I would be all over that like me on cake.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*shrugs*

I like him. I just hope that I can replace one of his shoulder pads with the Deathwatch pad that comes in the vanilla Termy box.

Not that one data point is enough to make a line, but both of Krom's shoulder pauldrons were not molded on, so hopefully they did the same with this guy. The Strike Force Ultra Terminator Captain had only the Crux shoulder pad not molded, on, the pad where you put the chapter markings was molded to the arm. So hard to say what they did with this one. Honestly, I was kinda surprised that this guy wasn't just a remold of the SFU Terminator Captain. Toss on some BA livery and replace the sword with a Thunder Hammer, you are set. I would have been okay with that.

One thing I am hoping for is that they will release a Blood Angels Upgrade sprue like they did Dark Angels. Some fanged-mouth heads. Lots of blood drops and wings. Some jump packs with BA markings. I would be all over that like me on cake.

You mean the Death Company box?

Is it just me or does it look like the Tyranid Warriors are also on a larger base than the Termies?

Apologies if someone has mentioned this already..

For what its worth, that captain is really easy to convert, both by weapons and chapter.
But the head would probably look a bit weird in some chapters.
Pose looks exactly like Crom, so I dont really get why people are upset with that...


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By the way, larger jump pack bases will make the deep strike footprint much larger.
Wonder if they keep rules for less scatter at least.

The more i look at him, the more i like the model. Only have 5 death co, so this would round out the full 10. The termies are the only part i dont need, but my shop is planning a big apoc game soon so ill use them.

And any BA player can ALWAYS use more dreads.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*shrugs*

I like him. I just hope that I can replace one of his shoulder pads with the Deathwatch pad that comes in the vanilla Termy box.

Not that one data point is enough to make a line, but both of Krom's shoulder pauldrons were not molded on, so hopefully they did the same with this guy. The Strike Force Ultra Terminator Captain had only the Crux shoulder pad not molded, on, the pad where you put the chapter markings was molded to the arm. So hard to say what they did with this one. Honestly, I was kinda surprised that this guy wasn't just a remold of the SFU Terminator Captain. Toss on some BA livery and replace the sword with a Thunder Hammer, you are set. I would have been okay with that.

One thing I am hoping for is that they will release a Blood Angels Upgrade sprue like they did Dark Angels. Some fanged-mouth heads. Lots of blood drops and wings. Some jump packs with BA markings. I would be all over that like me on cake.

You mean the Death Company box?

I wouldn't say the DC box is a good upgrade. Sure, it has a not of stuff, but you need most of it to build the Marines. And most of the DC sprue is covered in DC livery. I would like something more akin to the Dark Angels Upgrade sprue, a little bit of everything, regular BA, Death Company, etc.

I am hoping that this means that a new Codex is coming at some point, and that DC and DC Dreadnoughts are getting some love. Right now, I can't really run them except as super expensive shooting magnets.

So, definitely underwhelmed by what seems to be just an "army box" with a new Captain (and the Broodlord is definitely from Space Hulk) but hoping that more help for BA is on the way.

Both the Broodlord and Captain are clearly heavily "influenced" by their Space Hulk counterparts. A weird move since they just re-released Space Hulk - a massive missed opportunity to do something cool and different with the models...

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The thing is whatever the rule change or not I can see the box containing both 25mm bases (for the DC on foot) and 32mm for the jump pack DC Marines. So just put them on whatever you want.

I think this may be a gateway to Tyranids for me. I think I could resell the Blood Angels and mini rulebook for £70 easily.

 LutherMax wrote:
Both the Broodlord and Captain are clearly heavily "influenced" by their Space Hulk counterparts. A weird move since they just re-released Space Hulk - a massive missed opportunity to do something cool and different with the models...

Pretty much this. They could have given us something cool like a new Librarian or Reclusiarch model or even a Captain NOT in TDA. Krom was pretty much the epitome of what a Space Wolf is, I thought. The TDA Blood Angels Captain is not only stepping on the toes of the Space Hulk stuff, but he isn't even really what I would think of as a good HQ for the BA.

Yeah Sanguinary Guard and a jump HQ would have been much more awesome, I guess they just played it safe.

Why are people getting bent out of shape about the base size change? 99% of people aren't going to rebase all their jump units (assuming that the change is because they're jump units and it's not a DC only thing), and 99% of people aren't going to mind playing the 'old' base size...

Obviously the only real implication, rules wise is DSing, bjt personally I really only DS combat squads of jump units with 2 Melta, so it should make too much difference for me personally.

If it's a DC specific thing I wonder if they're becoming 2 wound models or something...

D

 LutherMax wrote:
Yeah Sanguinary Guard and a jump HQ would have been much more awesome, I guess they just played it safe.

They probably have an overabundance of Tactical Terminators in their warehouse (since they are gak), so they bundled them with something that isn't gak like Death Company. I was kinda disappointed that they didn't have a squad of Assault Marines, a squad of Death Company marines, and a Furioso Dreadnought. It would still have the 2 Troops and an Elite that they seem to be running with for these boxes, though it woulda been a little fluffier, but then what would they do with all the crappy Tactical Terminators collecting dust? Instead we got a knock off squad of Space Hulk Terminators and a knock off Space Hulk Captain.

But, then again, GW probably thinks Tactical Terminators are the bee's knees, so who really knows.

I wonder if they've bumped up the base size on the DC to prevent wobbly model syndrome. I don't know about you, but my assault squads fall over quite a bit.

 evildrcheese wrote:
If it's a DC specific thing I wonder if they're becoming 2 wound models or something...

Ohh, that'd be nice. But if so they'll get nerfed somewhere else

Of course it might just be GW using this release as an oppurtunity just to show off the new bases they're releasing, as opposed to an actual rules change.

 LutherMax wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
If it's a DC specific thing I wonder if they're becoming 2 wound models or something...

Ohh, that'd be nice. But if so they'll get nerfed somewhere else

It would definitely lead to some arguments as to where the BA are in terms of competiveness. And if the pendulum swings back to favoring Assault, well...

I know it hasn't been talked about for a bit, but what do people think the optional (Read: Mandatory) army supplement will be? More than likely, it will be Death Company, but I could just as easily see it being Flesh Tearers. It would make a lot more sense for it to be DC, since that would affect even the successor chapters (like Sentinels of Terra and Clan Raukhaan probably shouldn't, but do).


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 reds8n wrote:
Of course it might just be GW using this release as an oppurtunity just to show off the new bases they're releasing, as opposed to an actual rules change.

Don't be ridiculous, that would mean there isn't some nefarious ulterior motive which we ALL know is just not the case.

EDIT: By the way, I am going buy an Assault Squad and equip the Sergeant with two Hand Flamers or Infernus Pistols for maximum burn!

Looks to me like any dismay generated by the basing change is hot air.

Personally, I've never seen a terminator with a dedicated storm bolter and thunder hammer, and from purely an aesthetic standpoint I find it fresh.

TDix wrote:
Is it just me or does it look like the Tyranid Warriors are also on a larger base than the Termies?

Yes, they're 50mm bases, apparently they have come on those for some time.

"All your base are belong to us!"

The bases provided are

Genestealers 25mm (not new)
Terminators 40mm (not new)
Tyranid Warriors 50mm (this was quitely changed a few months ago, early versions of the new kit were on 40mm)
Death Company (Jump infantry) 32mm (new)
Broodlord XXmm (nothing confirmed yet)
Carnifex 60mm round base (it seems)
Dreadnought 60mm round scenic base


Now to keep hysteria(tm) burning

Most important question: Do I have to re-base my entire jump infantry models?! YES, ALL OF THEM. HAVE NO MERCY

An anonymous source also reports the internal code at GW for this operation is I-Mizz-Goblin-Green


Seriously, we need more pics asap

So, the campaign isn't just about defending baal, the governor of the planet seems to hold a possible cure for the red thirst?

Where is your information from?

Any hints of the BA formations in the campaign?

If I recall correctly Stormclaw didn't give much away in terms of what the SW codex was going to bring as all units had pre picked wargear with the points not broken down, still be interesting to know what the DC with whatever load out they have runs at.

D

Decided to give the Captain a secoind chance, even more disappointed on repeat viewings.

Krom was an amazing model (even with the silly haircut most Wolves seem to come with as standard) and completely epitomised Space Wolves. Kaelen does nothing of the sort for Blood Angels and can't even fall back on being nicely designed to offset the uninspiring detail. He just looks like someone's mediocre kitbash of a sergeant, not the Captain of a first founding Chapter's first company.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Where is your information from?

Well, I did this thing called reading, as there is text attached to one of the pictures.

Blonde hair and fangs, looks like the epitome of Blood Angels to me.

I think the model looks fine, and I'm not really sure what you want. If it was covered in any more tear drops, goblets, and purity seals than it already is it would just look way too busy, and kinda ugly. Honestly even the DC are kinda pushing it with the "bling", if anything BA needed toning down. In my opinion they've struck a pretty good balance with this captain, too often when they release a Space Marine character it's just covered in so much crap it ruins the model, and it's nice to see some restraint for once.

I also find it amusing that everyone is going to pass on the new box set because the Captain isn't blinged-up enough for them. So all that whining about how BA were in dire need of an update and how GW had forsaken them etc., etc., and when you finally start getting the attention you've been begging for, you turn your noses up at them and go "Meh."? Looks like maybe GW should have waited a few more years then, a BA release now looks like it's just going to be a big waste of time and money. Hell, they even put a Blood Angel Marine on the cover of the mini rulebook, I'm pretty sure adamsouza or someone else in this thread was asking for that specifically.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Where is your information from?

Well, I did this thing called reading

Eww. Did it hurt?

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Decided to give the Captain a secoind chance, even more disappointed on repeat viewings.

Krom was an amazing model (even with the silly haircut most Wolves seem to come with as standard) and completely epitomised Space Wolves. Kaelen does nothing of the sort for Blood Angels and can't even fall back on being nicely designed to offset the uninspiring detail. He just looks like someone's mediocre kitbash of a sergeant, not the Captain of a first founding Chapter's first company.

This. Even the 'generic' Terminator Captain released with the box set a while back was fancier and much more ornate than this. And Blood Angels, fluffwise are supposed to be a bit OTT with the ornate details. The Death Company are covered in bling if you look at the components as are the Space Hulk Terminators.

This captain? Really, really bland.

Plus he has that annoying as all hell mop top hair, same as in the Death Company box. At the time it was fine because they really didn't do hair in plastic that well..but seeing the Space Wolf kit that has come out since as well as all the elf kits....

Well, they could have done a bit more than flat, detail-less mop top to be honest.