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Needs moar Fabio, yeah.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Decided to give the Captain a secoind chance, even more disappointed on repeat viewings.

Krom was an amazing model (even with the silly haircut most Wolves seem to come with as standard) and completely epitomised Space Wolves. Kaelen does nothing of the sort for Blood Angels and can't even fall back on being nicely designed to offset the uninspiring detail. He just looks like someone's mediocre kitbash of a sergeant, not the Captain of a first founding Chapter's first company.

This. Even the 'generic' Terminator Captain released with the box set a while back was fancier and much more ornate than this. And Blood Angels, fluffwise are supposed to be a bit OTT with the ornate details. The Death Company are covered in bling if you look at the components as are the Space Hulk Terminators.

This captain? Really, really bland.

Plus he has that annoying as all hell mop top hair, same as in the Death Company box. At the time it was fine because they really didn't do hair in plastic that well..but seeing the Space Wolf kit that has come out since as well as all the elf kits....

Well, they could have done a bit more than flat, detail-less mop top to be honest.

He looks like Sargent Lorenzo from Space Hulk but with less ornaments. Nothing spectacular but the model is okay imo.

As with the Space wolf and Orks box set, is it likely to presume that the models in the kit can be built as their counterparts? I.E the death company can be built with or without jump packs, it's just that in the campaign they are equipped with them so it would make sense to do so for new players? I'm hoping so because that way it means that the dread can be built as any of the three that come in that specific box set because as much as I like Dc dreads, I think owning a fourth could be slight overkill...

Yes, Tom, full kits on sprues

 Sidstyler wrote:
Needs moar Fabio, yeah.

This. Especially since they've shown that they can now do that sort of hair - the Space Wolf, Dark Eldar and different WFB Elf sets that followed show how they've improved that. So to see what is essentially the same flat hair as the DC box set is....meh. Especially on something that's 'exclusive' to this box.

Also, the earlier comment about these being all CAD.

Yeah, I can see that. I can see how the Ork Warboss, this captain and the Broodlord are all CAD alterations from Black Reach/Space Hulk. But the Space Wolf character was something very different as I'd not seen anything like that prior. Shame they couldn't do another unique model like that.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Where is your information from?

Well, I did this thing called reading, as there is text attached to one of the pictures.

Then continue your studies until you get to the advanced topics like social behaviour and old-farts-with-bad-eyes

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Needs moar Fabio, yeah.

This. Especially since they've shown that they can now do that sort of hair - the Space Wolf, Dark Eldar and different WFB Elf sets that followed show how they've improved that. So to see what is essentially the same flat hair as the DC box set is....meh. Especially on something that's 'exclusive' to this box.

Also, the earlier comment about these being all CAD.

Yeah, I can see that. I can see how the Ork Warboss, this captain and the Broodlord are all CAD alterations from Black Reach/Space Hulk. But the Space Wolf character was something very different as I'd not seen anything like that prior. Shame they couldn't do another unique model like that.

Actually, the Space Wolf character was another CAD design. It was based off of FW's model for a character for IA11(Bran Redmaw) that never got released. There were WIP shots of it and the similarities between the Redmaw design and Dragongaze are very telling.

Both broodlords could have been designed at the same time, and GW decided to release one in Space Hulk and the other in a future product. Maybe they even use these limited-release models to test responses before producing expensive but possibly bad-selling multi-part kits

Personally I am kind of happy with a little less details. My Brush-Fu skills are not what they used to be and some of there super detailed models have forced me to either suck it up and they don't look as good as they should be or I have to let someone else paint them.

I like the Captain, and I am sure I can put on a different head.
As for the Death Company, I build my Skyclaws and Blood Claws using a bunch of old and new Death Company models and no one ever noticed.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Blonde hair and fangs, looks like the epitome of Blood Angels to me.

I think the model looks fine, and I'm not really sure what you want. If it was covered in any more tear drops, goblets, and purity seals than it already is it would just look way too busy, and kinda ugly. Honestly even the DC are kinda pushing it with the "bling", if anything BA needed toning down. In my opinion they've struck a pretty good balance with this captain, too often when they release a Space Marine character it's just covered in so much crap it ruins the model, and it's nice to see some restraint for once.

I also find it amusing that everyone is going to pass on the new box set because the Captain isn't blinged-up enough for them. So all that whining about how BA were in dire need of an update and how GW had forsaken them etc., etc., and when you finally start getting the attention you've been begging for, you turn your noses up at them and go "Meh."? Looks like maybe GW should have waited a few more years then, a BA release now looks like it's just going to be a big waste of time and money. Hell, they even put a Blood Angel Marine on the cover of the mini rulebook, I'm pretty sure adamsouza or someone else in this thread was asking for that specifically.

I don't want him to have MOAR generic bling, I want him to have unique, impressive bling that also denotes his status as a commander. Look at the old metal/finecast Terminator Captain and the halo-ed skull eagle on his right leg, that is a good piece of bling that also serves to show his rank. Something like that plus a few ornate things incorporating blood drops would be grand. The Chainfist Space Hulk Terminator has an Iron Halo with blood drops in it and a skull badge with halo on the chest, those are also the sort of unique details that would have been cool rather than a whole bunch of purity seals and a plethora of small blood drops and chalices.

So by your logic, every time GW throw us a bone we should snap it up in case they think it's not worth supporting the army anymore? How about, no? If they do something worthwhile I'll buy it, if not I won't, it's too pricy a hobby to do otherwise.

The other thing is the BA half of the boxed set isn't very appealing to a lot of existing players. Who doesn't have Death Company? A Death Company Dreadnought/Furioso? Plus both those units have in game limitations on how many you can have (as well as being over-costed in terms of points) so unless you're running a DC army you can legitimately have too many. Tactical Terminators are a poor choice in the current meta and most people already have some; a great many of those have the wonderful Space Hulk ones.

If the contents of the box aren't particularly useful/people already own them, then the exclusive figure needs to be great to justify the expense.
If the exclusive model is mediocre then the box contents need to be very useful/something people don't already have a lot of to justify the expense.

For me and a lot of others, apparently, this set fails to achieve either condition.

DC and DC dread are solid choices for BA players, new and old, and can simply painted Red to be used as other BA choices.

Just remember that StormClaw wasn't filled with the greatest choices either. It was more like what they had overstocked in the warehouse than a greatest hits list.

True, but Stormclaw did adhere to the first condition:

If the contents of the box aren't particularly useful/people already own enough of them then the exclusive model needs to be stellar.

And Krom was great. He was enough for people to say 'maybe I could use a few more Grey Hunters and Wolf Guard Terminators.

Plus, Grey Hunters are probably one of the best troops units in the game, while Wolf Guard Terminators are far more flexible in their load outs and thus battlefield utility than regular tactical Terminators.


DC and DC dread are solid choices, unless you've already got both in sufficient numbers that you don't need any more. Simply painting them the colour of your regular troops isn't an approach everyone likes to take. The Xs on a lot of the gear are just too Death Company to blend in well with other units.

But at a basic level it comes down to the exclusive fig. If Kaelen was better it would be easier to find a justification for the contents of Shield of Baal: Deathstorm.

Fingers crossed for some super cheap Carnifexes and DC Dreads Can always use more of both!

 adamsouza wrote:
DC and DC dread are solid choices for BA players, new and old, and can simply painted Red to be used as other BA choices.

This. It's pretty easy to turn them into Assault Marines, Vanguard Vets, etc. The Dread can easily become a Furioso, Librarian or Rifleman if that strikes your fancy. If you don't like Tactical Termies, a TH/SS or 2xLC sprue shouldn't be all that expensive, or convert them into Terminator Libbies, Chaplains, Sanguinary Priests, etc. The Captain is a bit lame I'll grant, but chop off that storm bolter and then add a SS, and you've got a pretty cool Assault Terminator sergeant.

So really, the set is less-restrictive for the BA than it looks. Really, the Nids are the ones who are getting it worse... I mean, how many of us really needed more Genestealers?

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

So really, the set is less-restrictive for the BA than it looks. Really, the Nids are the ones who are getting it worse... I mean, how many of us really needed more Genestealers?

We have a player who feels he need more of three things: Termagants, Grenestealers and Grots

Seeing as this is a rumour thread, does anyone think that BA units will have access to the new Space Marine stuff? Specifically, Grav-Weapons, as their Tactical Kit now comes with one? I could understand new tanks, Centurions and Stormtalon being left out but how can they leave out the Tactical Squad?

I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*shrugs*

I like him. I just hope that I can replace one of his shoulder pads with the Deathwatch pad that comes in the vanilla Termy box.

Krom was super modular, so maybe he will be.

 Deadshot wrote:
Seeing as this is a rumour thread, does anyone think that BA units will have access to the new Space Marine stuff? Specifically, Grav-Weapons, as their Tactical Kit now comes with one? I could understand new tanks, Centurions and Stormtalon being left out but how can they leave out the Tactical Squad?

I can see them not getting the Grave Weapons
They just don't feel right.
Each of the other Chapters with there own books did not get any of the "Marine Gear".
>Dark Angels: Got Plasma, lots of Plasma, even on their Terminator
>Space Wolves: Got the Frost Weapons
Generic Marines: Got the Grav-Weapons

Besides they do not need Grav-Weapons and Centurions, that is what Allies are for.

The only Rumor about a new unit I have heard was Sanguinary Terminators and that looks to be false [I still have my fingers crossed though, but I am not holding my breath]

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Seeing as this is a rumour thread, does anyone think that BA units will have access to the new Space Marine stuff? Specifically, Grav-Weapons, as their Tactical Kit now comes with one? I could understand new tanks, Centurions and Stormtalon being left out but how can they leave out the Tactical Squad?

I can see them not getting the Grave Weapons
They just don't feel right.
Each of the other Chapters with there own books did not get any of the "Marine Gear".
>Dark Angels: Got Plasma, lots of Plasma, even on their Terminator
>Space Wolves: Got the Frost Weapons
Generic Marines: Got the Grav-Weapons

Besides they do not need Grav-Weapons and Centurions, that is what Allies are for.

The only Rumor about a new unit I have heard was Sanguinary Terminators and that looks to be false [I still have my fingers crossed though, but I am not holding my breath]

Well, BA have angelus bolters and infernus pistols. TBH I dont see BA with grav weapons as well.

But how does that interact with the new re-cut Tactical Squad with the Grav gun and Combi-Grav?

Terminators in general are just too boring, bland, simpel, unrealistic and just uncool.

In times of amaaaaaazing Infinity heavy troops, Terminators are a joke. It's easy to see that their design is about 30 years old...

They'd need a complete rehaul imho.

 Deadshot wrote:
But how does that interact with the new re-cut Tactical Squad with the Grav gun and Combi-Grav?

Use other options? Sometimes the simplest answers are the right ones.

 Deadshot wrote:
But how does that interact with the new re-cut Tactical Squad with the Grav gun and Combi-Grav?

You can't use those bits....what's to wonder about here?

 Carnage43 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
But how does that interact with the new re-cut Tactical Squad with the Grav gun and Combi-Grav?

You can't use those bits....what's to wonder about here?

Its unusual is all. GW have come into the mindset of putting in all available options for a unit in the box. But rarely is there a unit usuable across multiple factions. Even rarer when one of those factions can't use all the options.

Take the extra bits and sell em online

people go gaga over gravguns

Im pretty sure there specialties will be the infernus and various flamer weapons.

 Accolade wrote:
I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

Unless you're Dark Angels.

 Deadshot wrote:
But how does that interact with the new re-cut Tactical Squad with the Grav gun and Combi-Grav?

You are not supposed to use/buy Tactical Kits for Blood Angels, you are supposed to buy Assault/Death Company/Sanguinary Guard kits for your Blood Angels.

The codex should be out December 13th, with preorders starting on the 5th. I will wait until the book at least got leaked before building more models. There is zero unit stats and army list information to be found online. Remember the 2010 codex release with much of the rules known before release? So different nowadays

2010 - A month before the release http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?248074-Blood-Angels-summary

Warhams-77 wrote:
The codex should be out December 13th, with preorders starting on the 5th. I will wait until the book at least got leaked before building more models. There is zero unit stats and army list information to be found online. Remember the 2010 codex release with much of the rules known before release? So different nowadays

2010 - A month before the release http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?248074-Blood-Angels-summary

should be a nice college graduation gift for myself if its on that day