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**Necroagogo**

That could potentially suck for my foam trays.

**Kanluwen**

Wonderwolf wrote:
TheDraconicLord wrote:

As long as I'm not forced to rebase all my current models, I'm so for that change. Bigger base = more space for cool stuff.

True.

Funny enough, I would've thought that Genestealers would've made better candidates for larger bases. They are far less balanced (as in physically, as models) and get tangled up easily with all their claws, when you push them into a tight base-to-base cc... Marines, being more "vertical", don't have that problem as much, even with Jump Packs.

But you know what Marines with Jump Packs do have?

The "Bulky" special rule...

**Quarterdime**

Paradigm wrote:
Well, they can forget it. 25mms are fine, don't fix what ain't broke.

Eh. Plastic Pink Horrors require weights in order to stand on 25mm. Period. The new bases may change that. And though I do consider it an improvement to the 25mm base, it may prevent things like squad maneuvering in choke points, and lets not forget the whole "same models on different bases on the same table" thing. I hope it won't look as bad as it sounds.

**DarthOvious**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
So I was thinking about those bases that are now actually priced. I highly doubt that GW will try to enforce some sort of policy that requires one to change out the bases for some models. There are a few upshots to the bigger bases. Especially in the case of jump pack Space Marines, it gives them a wider base so they don't tip over. Also, in terms of modeling, a bigger base means more room to make a nice scenic base. The downside, especially in the case of Blood Angels and their tendency to deep strike jump infantry (at least, they are supposed to, though it has fallen WAY out of favor) is that it makes the squad's footprint about half an inch or so bigger in diameter (I would have to do the math on that), it makes them prone to mishaps more.

If you run DC without packs, is there a +/- to having a bigger base? I am having trouble thinking of one.

Another plus point is that it makes the unit more survivable to blast & template weapons. Bigger bases mean blast & template weapons will hit less models as you'll be spreading your unit over a bigger area due to the bigger bases.

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Mymearan wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
So I was thinking about those bases that are now actually priced. I highly doubt that GW will try to enforce some sort of policy that requires one to change out the bases for some models. There are a few upshots to the bigger bases. Especially in the case of jump pack Space Marines, it gives them a wider base so they don't tip over. Also, in terms of modeling, a bigger base means more room to make a nice scenic base. The downside, especially in the case of Blood Angels and their tendency to deep strike jump infantry (at least, they are supposed to, though it has fallen WAY out of favor) is that it makes the squad's footprint about half an inch or so bigger in diameter (I would have to do the math on that), it makes them prone to mishaps more.

If you run DC without packs, is there a +/- to having a bigger base? I am having trouble thinking of one.

less models hit by blasts, harder to fit in terrain.

True, harder to fit in terrain as well, but I think it'll be a bigger advantage to get hit less by blasts & templates since some do ignore cover saves. The Helldrake comes to mind on this one. The thing just comes out of nowhere and throws a flamer template onto you at AP3. Usually gets enough to wipe a good chunk of a Space marine squad out as it currently stands

**casvalremdeikun**

Kanluwen wrote:
Wonderwolf wrote:
TheDraconicLord wrote:

As long as I'm not forced to rebase all my current models, I'm so for that change. Bigger base = more space for cool stuff.

True.

Funny enough, I would've thought that Genestealers would've made better candidates for larger bases. They are far less balanced (as in physically, as models) and get tangled up easily with all their claws, when you push them into a tight base-to-base cc... Marines, being more "vertical", don't have that problem as much, even with Jump Packs.

But you know what Marines with Jump Packs do have?

The "Bulky" special rule...

But Death Compaany without Jump Packs will also have the 32mm bases...

**Kanluwen**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Wonderwolf wrote:
TheDraconicLord wrote:

As long as I'm not forced to rebase all my current models, I'm so for that change. Bigger base = more space for cool stuff.

True.

Funny enough, I would've thought that Genestealers would've made better candidates for larger bases. They are far less balanced (as in physically, as models) and get tangled up easily with all their claws, when you push them into a tight base-to-base cc... Marines, being more "vertical", don't have that problem as much, even with Jump Packs.

But you know what Marines with Jump Packs do have?

The "Bulky" special rule...
But Death Company without Jump Packs will also have the 32mm bases...

Do you know that for sure?

The previous box had you equipping a squad in a specific way for the formations in the box, so it's not unbelievable that they are doing the same here and introducing the 32mm based Jump Pack infantry with it.

**bubber**

I like the captain myself. Will probably pick this up & split with a mate as he plays 'nids & I want to start a Death Company army. Will pick up the BA box-bundle too. That should give me a nice start.

But what happens if the box bundle assault marines come with 25mm bases & I want to put them all in 1 squad??

**casvalremdeikun**

Kanluwen wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Wonderwolf wrote:
TheDraconicLord wrote:

As long as I'm not forced to rebase all my current models, I'm so for that change. Bigger base = more space for cool stuff.

True.

Funny enough, I would've thought that Genestealers would've made better candidates for larger bases. They are far less balanced (as in physically, as models) and get tangled up easily with all their claws, when you push them into a tight base-to-base cc... Marines, being more "vertical", don't have that problem as much, even with Jump Packs.

But you know what Marines with Jump Packs do have?

The "Bulky" special rule...
But Death Company without Jump Packs will also have the 32mm bases...

Do you know that for sure?

The previous box had you equipping a squad in a specific way for the formations in the box, so it's not unbelievable that they are doing the same here and introducing the 32mm based Jump Pack infantry with it.

For sure? No. But otherwise they would have to include both bases in the box.

**manrogue**

Lord of wargaming have reiterated in the comments of the post that ALL infantry will eventually switch to 32mm bases.

**Hulksmash**

Yeah, I'm not rebasing all of my armies. I get it for assault troops for stability and their size was a weird mix between troop and terminator. But for regular infantry not a chance from me.

**Kanluwen**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Do you know that for sure?

The previous box had you equipping a squad in a specific way for the formations in the box, so it's not unbelievable that they are doing the same here and introducing the 32mm based Jump Pack infantry with it.
For sure? No. But otherwise they would have to include both bases in the box.

Doubtful.

As I said, the previous box had a very specific equipment list.

**Sidstyler**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
plastictrees wrote:
I guess "On Purely Decorative Wings They Come"
is less ominous sounding.
Seems like a bit of a weird way to herald the arrival of the Blood Angels though.

Maybe it's literal. Maybe we really are getting the Blood Angels riding giant bats unit that we've all been dreading.

Finally, GW listens to its customers.

*Throws money at the screen.*

bubber wrote:
But what happens if the box bundle assault marines come with 25mm bases & I want to put them all in 1 squad??

Chaos.

**Theophony**

A switch to 32mm just seems like a

you to all the companies out there like dragonforge design, secret weapons and others who have all these custom 25mm bases set up. They've gone after every other company that gets sales off of their goods trying to make them jump through hoops.

**casvalremdeikun**

Kanluwen wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Do you know that for sure?

The previous box had you equipping a squad in a specific way for the formations in the box, so it's not unbelievable that they are doing the same here and introducing the 32mm based Jump Pack infantry with it.
For sure? No. But otherwise they would have to include both bases in the box.

Doubtful.

As I said, the previous box had a very specific equipment list.

I was talking about the standard Death Company Squad box. As would the Vanguard Veteran box as jump packs are not figured into the base assumption of the set, unlike the Assault Squad where you take the jump packs away.

**Zywus**

Theophony wrote:
A switch to 32mm just seems like a you to all the companies out there like dragonforge design, secret weapons and others who have all these custom 25mm bases set up. They've gone after every other company that gets sales off of their goods trying to make them jump through hoops.

Though if a general switch to 32mm would be made just to screw the other companies it's basically GW cutting off their nose to spite their face.
The smaller companies can change their products much faster and easuer than GW themselves and will start offering 32mm bases as well after a few weeks or less.

Those who don't feel the need to rip off all their painted models from their bases will keep buying the 25mm resin bases as usual.
Those who feel the need to buy 32mm bases for their old or new armies will buy some from the resin casters the same way they bought some 25mm from them.

So the only thing a general base-switch would be doing is increasing base sales, partly for GW but majorly for the casters of custom bases.

**warboss**

manrogue wrote:
Funnily enough was thinking that myself, but could just be with new stuff going forward.

Will see when the new Blood Angels stuff is out, would make sense to do it with new releases going forward as otherwise they would have to open every box and switch the bases.

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Via Lords of War Gaming

So for those of you that pay attention to the release list for upcoming product you may have noticed that 32mm bases are on the list for next week.
If you are wondering what they were for take a good hard look at the Death company in the picture and compare to the genestealers and behold the future!
Get ready to get your (re)base on. To reiterate ALL MODELS on 25mm bases will eventually transition to the new 32mm bases.

Just typed off the face book page on my phone so you can see the actual comment.

Yeah, I don't see that happening. If it were going to be true, I doubt they'd start that in a limited release boxed set and ONLY do one unit in the box. The genestealers in that pic (assuiming they're from the boxed set and not one GW painted years ago) are on 25mm bases. I'm gone to throw a whole salt mine on that rumor.

**casvalremdeikun**

So I have a copy of the WD. I have a few things to report from it.

1. The Strike Force Deathstorm Formation has two special rules. Against All Odds which grants all models the Fearless rule. If they already have Fearless they get Counter-Attack. Blood Yell? Which lets Karlaen, once per game during an assault phase, allows all units in the formation re-roll to wound rolls until the end of the phase.
2. Blood Talons are now Strx2, AP2, Melee, Shred, Specialist Weapon.

That is all I could find as of now. Will update if I find more.

EDIT: Forgot the AP2 for Blood Talons.

**sockwithaticket**

Zywus wrote:
Theophony wrote:
A switch to 32mm just seems like a you to all the companies out there like dragonforge design, secret weapons and others who have all these custom 25mm bases set up. They've gone after every other company that gets sales off of their goods trying to make them jump through hoops.

Though if a general switch to 32mm would be made just to screw the other companies it's basically GW cutting off their nose to spite their face.
The smaller companies can change their products much faster and easuer than GW themselves and will start offering 32mm bases as well after a few weeks or less.

Those who don't feel the need to rip off all their painted models from their bases will keep buying the 25mm resin bases as usual.
Those who feel the need to buy 32mm bases for their old or new armies will buy some from the resin casters the same way they bought some 25mm from them.

So the only thing a general base-switch would be doing is increasing base sales, partly for GW but majorly for the casters of custom bases.

Pretty much this.

I have around 100 or so marines and 20 odd Inquisition models based on 25mm so far. Chances of me changing that effort are exactly zero, especially as some of them have been specifically crafted to make certain poses possible. going forward I will continue using 25mm bases to match what went before. I'm someone with a fairly modest collection, can't imagine those with larger ones are going to jump at the opportunity to alter their basing

Most of the big companies (relatively speaking) that offer resin bases already have a 30 mm size due to WarmaHordes, Infinity, Malifaux etc. Adaptation would not be at all difficult.

**UltraPrime**

I have over 1,000 models on 25mm. So no chance!

**evildrcheese**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
So I have a copy of the WD. I have a few things to report from it.

1. The Strike Force Deathstorm Formation has two special rules. Against All Odds which grants all models the Fearless rule. If they already have Fearless they get Counter-Attack. Blood Yell? Which lets Karlaen, once per game during an assault phase, allows all units in the formation re-roll to wound rolls until the end of the phase.
2. Blood Talons are now Strx2, Melee, Shred, Specialist Weapon.

That is all I could find as of now. Will update if I find more.

Inevitable toning down of blood talons was inevitable.

Assuming DC remain fearless, chance to gain CA is pretty sweet. If normal dudes are fearless still from Red Thirst roll or similar also a boost.

Thanks for sharing.

D

**Tannhauser42**

32mm just seems to be an odd choice for a new base size. I wonder if this is more fallout from the Chapterhouse case in that GW thinks they can go to some sort of proprietary base size to stifle competition? And if they think that, they clearly didn't learn anything.

**Kanluwen**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
32mm just seems to be an odd choice for a new base size. I wonder if this is more fallout from the Chapterhouse case in that GW thinks they can go to some sort of proprietary base size to stifle competition? And if they think that, they clearly didn't learn anything.

Pft.

You're completely ignorant if you think GW are the only ones doing so. Corvus Belli recently went to a "55mm" base for most of their TAGs and other large models.

**Jefffar**

So Blood Talons now match the Space Wolf equivalent, that is unsurprising.

Potential for Fearless plus Counter Attack is pretty nice I have to say as a Wolf player, will make the DC right nasty.

Also, hasn't this issue about bases been given its own thread?

**Azreal13**

Blood Yell?

Blood. Yell.

Even if this is some mistranslation and it's Blood Shout or some thing, I mean, srsly?

**rhavien**

Bigger base means fewer hammer of wrath hits, right? Not that it comes to effect very often...

**Azreal13**

rhavien wrote:
Bigger base means fewer hammer of wrath hits, right? Not that it comes to effect very often...

As with many base size related issues, it's likely a wash. Depending on how the models are dispersed, if the target unit is bunched up, yes, it will lead to fewer, if they're more spaced out, it could mean more.

**Eldercaveman**

Can we all move the base discussions to the relevant thread please?

**RiTides**

Yes, base size rumors have a dedicated N&R thread here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/624701.page

Also, NICE job keeping the OP of this thread updated, Eldercaveman! It's a real pleasure not to have to go edit in all the info

. Cheers!

**evildrcheese**

Yeah, can we 'drop the base' talk.

(I'm so, so sorry)

D

**Eldercaveman**

RiTides wrote:
Yes, base size rumors have a dedicated N&R thread here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/624701.page

Also, NICE job keeping the OP of this thread updated, Eldercaveman! It's a real pleasure not to have to go edit in all the info . Cheers!

The information has been on a REALLY slow drip for this release!