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Corbulo is alive it mentions him specifically and Dante in WD#44.

They could still remove him from the game if they wanted though.

Exactly, seen rules for Vect recently?

 Azreal13 wrote:
Exactly, seen rules for Vect recently?

2 key differences though.

1. Dante and Corbulo have models, albeit old ones.

2. They're space marines.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 LutherMax wrote:
The priest kit / blister is perfect for kitbash / conversion. I'm pretty sure that was the intention.

Not really. The single-frame plastic characters generally go together in a very specific way with little room for variation. They occasionally have options, or are put together in a way that allows some changes (like a different shoulder pad), but otherwise they require a lot of chopping and changing to make them into something else. They aren't just regular Marines that can be combined with the standard kit.

Yes, but the Nurgle Lord in Fantasy is by far the most used model in conversions by Blanche, Migsula on this Dakka site, etc. and it's a plastic single-frame. So I am sure it will be done. The robes even invite DA players to convert it, and I definitely could see the Mephiston opportunities.

I hate the nipples, but love the sword, and I am definitely seeing a lot of Vampire Counts influence here--That's a lot like Mannfred's sword, but with chain-y bits. I have converted most of my Tactical marines with DC bits, but this new Tactical squad kit is still tempting. See the Sanguinary Guard torso on that Sergeant? Definitely more artisan-quality armor in this Chapter than ever before. It's gonna make some of my old HQ (especially Corbulo--how plain does he look compared to this new generic Sanguinary Priest?) characters look pretty unadorned and average. Still, fits the fluff, so I'm liking it.

Corbulo and Dante's old models really ARE troublesome, too. I hate the Dante one, especially compared to the newer Sanguinor or Astorath models. He just looks so plain. And with a (now nerfed) Power Axe, cannot accompany Vanguard Veterans, and doesn't have Eternal Warrior despite being like 1000 years old. I am really hoping for an update to his rules.

Just file the nipples.. It's really a very simple fix and not worth all the complaints :p

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Captain Karlean WS6 just over 150pts
Terminator Armour with Iron Halo, storm bolter, and Relic of Baal: melee, concussive, master crafted, specialist weapon and unwieldy.

Strategic Genius: +1 seize the initiative, and can re-roll any reserve roll

Children of Cryptus is 8 genestealers and the Spawn of Cryptus for a little over 200pts
Spawn of Cryptus is t5 with 3 wounds and has preferred enemy and has rending claws. He also comes with infiltrate, fleet, move through cover, and stealth just like the genestealers. Spawn of Cryptus is also a lvl 1 psyker who knows The Horror and Dominion powers.

I was waiting for someone on this site to start discussing these stats, if they're true and their opinions.

Its labeled Sanguinary Priest, but with that fancy sword, it seems intended to represent Corbulo.

 adamsouza wrote:
2.) Codex Marines have access to the Hunter, Stalker, Thunderfire Cannon, Centurion Armor, Ironclad Dreadnaught, Venerable Dreadnaught, Storm Talon Gunship, Land Speeder Storm, Grav Guns, and most importantly Chapter Tactics.

Hunter and Stalker seem like they should be spread out to the other chapters, as a basic AA tank.
Thunderfire cannon is nice.
Centurion Armor, that several BA players in this thread have been hoping are added to the BA dex?
Ironclad Dreadnought? Furioso is rather equivalent- Ironclad has higher side armor, Furioso has 2 points better WS. the rest is wargear options, and the furioso can upgrade to be a librarian as well.
Venerable Dreadnought is not special at all. Space Wolves can upgrade to it and give their Ven dread a storm shield. Dark Angels have the Ven dread as well.
Storm Talon, sure. Dark Angels have their own version in the Dark Talon/Nephilim, though that is objectively weaker.
Land Speeder Storm- granted.
Grav Guns- BA just stole them.
Chapter Tactics- the SM variant books have them as well, just not named as such. BA have Descent of Angels and Red Thirst. DA have Grim Resolve and Inner Circle. Space Wolves have Acute Senses and Counterattack.

 DarthOvious wrote:
Well you did get the Stormraven from us. There will be things that we still don't get from C:SM. I.e. Thunderfire Cannons and I'm not expecting to get Centurions either. The Sky Talon is also still to be determined. You can't have a moan and get brand new stuff every codex and then tell us that we aren't allowed anything new at all.

I'd actually love to see the Stalker/Hunter kit be spread around. It's such a logical and generic vehicle for the marines, and fills a rather vital role (anti-air/anti-skimmer) that it should be in the armory of all the variant chapters. Instead, they leave it behind and pass out the far more unique grav guns.

 Nid Bits wrote:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Captain Karlean WS6 just over 150pts
Terminator Armour with Iron Halo, storm bolter, and Relic of Baal: melee, concussive, master crafted, specialist weapon and unwieldy.

Strategic Genius: +1 seize the initiative, and can re-roll any reserve roll

Children of Cryptus is 8 genestealers and the Spawn of Cryptus for a little over 200pts
Spawn of Cryptus is t5 with 3 wounds and has preferred enemy and has rending claws. He also comes with infiltrate, fleet, move through cover, and stealth just like the genestealers. Spawn of Cryptus is also a lvl 1 psyker who knows The Horror and Dominion powers.

I was waiting for someone on this site to start discussing these stats, if they're true and their opinions.

It's been discussed a dozen pages back.

My opinion is that he's a glorified tactical terminator (which suck) with a solid warlord trait and special rule, and almost certainly not worth the point overall unless some miracle happens that makes an all, or nearly all deepstrike army viable.

Spawn of Cryptus OTOH... It depends on if he is an HQ or not. That would be both good (a reasonably costed IC would be something we need) and bad (competing for limited slots with Flyrant). An IC in the army with access to Stealth could have some interesting ramifications - still thinking how to break it. If he just rolls with Genestealers, that Stealth and Preferred Enemy might be enough to make people consider them as options. Indeed, some people are taking a small brood of stealers in their lists for the tactical flexibility in maelstrom games and for the ability to nominate the broodlord as the warlord.

The Eavy Metal painters gave all the characters widdle pointy teefers.

 pantheralegionnaire wrote:
I have converted most of my Tactical marines with DC bits, but this new Tactical squad kit is still tempting. See the Sanguinary Guard torso on that Sergeant? Definitely more artisan-quality armor in this Chapter than ever before. It's gonna make some of my old HQ (especially Corbulo--how plain does he look compared to this new generic Sanguinary Priest?) characters look pretty unadorned and average. Still, fits the fluff, so I'm liking it.

very excited for all sergeants and other characters to have base-equipment artificer armor that re-rolls saves (3+).

heavy flamers in troops to remain BA only? I hope? really hope?

Why would their artificer armor have them re-roll saves? Artificer is a 2+

Well, there goes my Christmas money I'd saved for my family, I'm sure they'll understand.

30 bucks for a single priest though...yeeesh. For that price his FNP bubble better be 12" and is a 4+.

 Nid Bits wrote:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Captain Karlean WS6 just over 150pts
Terminator Armour with Iron Halo, storm bolter, and Relic of Baal: melee, concussive, master crafted, specialist weapon and unwieldy.

Strategic Genius: +1 seize the initiative, and can re-roll any reserve roll

Children of Cryptus is 8 genestealers and the Spawn of Cryptus for a little over 200pts
Spawn of Cryptus is t5 with 3 wounds and has preferred enemy and has rending claws. He also comes with infiltrate, fleet, move through cover, and stealth just like the genestealers. Spawn of Cryptus is also a lvl 1 psyker who knows The Horror and Dominion powers.

I was waiting for someone on this site to start discussing these stats, if they're true and their opinions.

I think a lot will depend on what the formation brings, it might have rules that tie all elements together and bring significant buffs to a combined arms detachment.

The captain on his own will struggle to take out the broodlord one on one, you'd need to get the DC with thunder hammer in first, get him down to I1 and let the captain join the fray from there to even understand I suspect.

D

 pantheralegionnaire wrote:
Yes, but the Nurgle Lord in Fantasy is by far the most used model in conversions by Blanche, Migsula on this Dakka site, etc. and it's a plastic single-frame. So I am sure it will be done. The robes even invite DA players to convert it, and I definitely could see the Mephiston opportunities.

Look who you're talking about. Dakka's own Migs? Blanche FFS? These are major conversions, not kit-bashes. There's a difference between getting a Space Wolf box a Blood Angel Box and a regular Marine box and throwing them into a pile to see what you can make and doing careful conversions on single-pose minis.

"The captain on his own will struggle to take out the broodlord one on one..."

I would very much hope so.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 LutherMax wrote:
The priest kit / blister is perfect for kitbash / conversion. I'm pretty sure that was the intention.

Not really. The single-frame plastic characters generally go together in a very specific way with little room for variation. They occasionally have options, or are put together in a way that allows some changes (like a different shoulder pad), but otherwise they require a lot of chopping and changing to make them into something else. They aren't just regular Marines that can be combined with the standard kit.

Pretty much this. The only options the SM blisters have had is helmet or bare head on the Captain or Chaplain. At best, that is what we will get with the Sanguinary Priest, helmets head or bare head. The poses are almost always static though. If it doesn't have a helmeted head, I will have to take one from the new tactical box.

It's nothing a sharp X-Acto blade and the bits box of any self respecting space marine player can't handle.

I'm liking these limited edition dice. My FLGS is going to be getting a re-occuring order from me every release now!

 DarthOvious wrote:
Like I said before, fluff changes in a lot of universes. I've seen it in Star Wars, Batman and plenty of others. When you are saying here is not the equivalent of giving the The Penguin a new back story, but getting rid of The Penguin altogether and pretending like he didn't happen. They are completely different things.

I guffawed when I first heard the Death Company Terminator rumours, but the more I read the precedents and justifications the more I thought, "hmm, it's a stretch but maybe not a stretch so far...".

Your argument against it if I understand correctly is that they wouldn't risk valuable terminator armour on Black Enraged marines. But aren't you forgetting that these marines are still honoured and revered members of the chapter, and in some cases heroes and veterans of thousands of battles. What if a 1st company veteran succumbed and was given the honour he deserved by having his own personal suit of TDA painted black for his final battle? Then there is the practical precedent set out in the World Eater fluff where the suits can be remotely disabled, located and retrieved.

Do you really think a Death Company marine in TDA is comparable to the Penguin disappearing completely and it being pretended that he never existed? I think you're tipping the balance of the scales a bit there.

 Kanluwen wrote:
As has been noted numerous times, it's going to be a joke for third party base makers to get 32mm bases out.

Only begun, the base creep has.

There's no way the Sang Priest is worth 18 quid, when 7 or 8 quid more will get you 9 more men who look a lot better. The only good thing about him is the awesome chain-rapier thing he has.

Does anyone else think the codex cover looks off? The head does not look positioned right.

I feel like I'm a bit slow, because I only just clocked the blood angel with a grav gun in the second squad picture. That's huge, bodes fairly well for the codex that they've included those.

If BA don't get cents or bike troops, I don't see having grav guns as being huge for BA.

Though, my Ultramarines are abit jealous of heavy flamers on the tacs. Would be helpful for roasting bugs...

It's huge to me, I want them for my tactical squads. I know, I know, "Nobody anywhere ever has any reason whatsoever to have Blood Angel tactical squads, anywhere, no reason ever"

 Kanluwen wrote:
As has been noted numerous times, it's going to be a joke for third party base makers to get 32mm bases out.

Because they don't know how to make larger bases?

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Exactly, seen rules for Vect recently?

2 key differences though.

1. Dante and Corbulo have models, albeit old ones.

2. They're space marines.

Vect had a model, too, albeit an old one.

So he did! I did not know that.

 Bull0 wrote:
It's huge to me, I want them for my tactical squads. I know, I know, "Nobody anywhere ever has any reason whatsoever to have Blood Angel tactical squads, anywhere, no reason ever"

Eh, I can see 5man heavy flamer/combi-flamer drops being not bad for a msu unit. Grav guns on tacs... Eh. If you move, it's 2 shots at 12". Only reason it's good on bikes is because it gets 3 shots at 18", and cents for obvious reasons.

No offence to you BA players, but I certainly hope you guys don't get centurions. You guys already got our guns, you don't need our brand new infantry unit too!

That, and since Space Wolves got their own space wolf version of grav, and no cents, I don't think BA will get cents. (And we'd have probably have seen red centurions in the background of some pictures on top of that, to show off new models BA players get to buy).

(That, and it's a reason to ally in Tigurius. Sure, Mephiston lifts, but Tigurius is better at lifting with his brain!)

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:
Well you did get the Stormraven from us. There will be things that we still don't get from C:SM. I.e. Thunderfire Cannons and I'm not expecting to get Centurions either. The Sky Talon is also still to be determined. You can't have a moan and get brand new stuff every codex and then tell us that we aren't allowed anything new at all.

I'd actually love to see the Stalker/Hunter kit be spread around. It's such a logical and generic vehicle for the marines, and fills a rather vital role (anti-air/anti-skimmer) that it should be in the armory of all the variant chapters. Instead, they leave it behind and pass out the far more unique grav guns.

That's true, we do need some kind of anti-air support. I think other players are thinking the Sky Talon could be on the list of things for us to get.

I also apologise since it appears I misread your intentions in what you said. In terms of the heavy flamer in our tactical sqauds, I think it fits because it's an assault weapon that we can fit into the heavy slot. It means our tactical squads can fire it and then still be able to charge afterwards, which is important for us. I can understand that this kind of set-up would suit Salamanders as well, but these things need to be introduced somewhere at some point and I don't doubt that Salamanders should be able to get it the next time the SM codex gets updated. I just think its a bit pointless to complain why we would get such a thing since it's a been a long time in development between the codices.

 Carnage43 wrote:

 Nid Bits wrote:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Captain Karlean WS6 just over 150pts
Terminator Armour with Iron Halo, storm bolter, and Relic of Baal: melee, concussive, master crafted, specialist weapon and unwieldy.

Strategic Genius: +1 seize the initiative, and can re-roll any reserve roll

Children of Cryptus is 8 genestealers and the Spawn of Cryptus for a little over 200pts
Spawn of Cryptus is t5 with 3 wounds and has preferred enemy and has rending claws. He also comes with infiltrate, fleet, move through cover, and stealth just like the genestealers. Spawn of Cryptus is also a lvl 1 psyker who knows The Horror and Dominion powers.

I was waiting for someone on this site to start discussing these stats, if they're true and their opinions.

It's been discussed a dozen pages back.

My opinion is that he's a glorified tactical terminator (which suck) with a solid warlord trait and special rule, and almost certainly not worth the point overall unless some miracle happens that makes an all, or nearly all deepstrike army viable.

Starting from which page number? I tried to find it but couldn't