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 Orock wrote:
Sanguinary Priest to HQ. Cobulo removed.

FNP lowered to 6+ and model based, not unit based for the aura.

Source? Or are you the source?

I certainly hope that's nonsense.

Stupid enough to be true...

His source is the same as the source for the "LOL Mephiston being dragged by giant bats" jokes new the beginning of this thread: an underdeveloped ability to make a joke, and an overdeveloped opinion of how funny one is.

sand.zzz wrote:

 Theduke07 wrote:
Great more Chaos Players wanting Codex Marines + 1.

They have a legitimate reason to be irritated. Not only does the CSM codex suck unprecedented levels of donkeyballs, but compared to the loyalist marines and their spin-offs - CSM options are insulting.

Well serves them right for turning their back on the Imperium.

I have some questions for some of the more seasoned 40k players. I do not follow all releases but I am rather concerned about this release. In the leak for next month's releases only the tactical squad and sanginary priest squad are listed along with the codex. For example, this DC terminator thing is not listed for next week.

Compared to the latest releases in 6th and 7th ed. (with the exception of Grey Knights) that seems very much lacking.

Will there be subsequent releases?

Has GW been releasing kits after the codex comes out in 7th ed.?

 Yodhrin wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
I suspect Yohdrin's referring to the fluff changes in 6th ed. C:SM and Clan Raukaan supplement.

I am indeed. They took a chapter with as much organisational uniqueness as the Space Wolves and a backstory hook at least as characterful and tragic as the Blood Angels, and turned them into a baseline Codex chapter of Spock Marines that disdain their own Primarch, and it largely seems to have happened because GW didn't want to do another distinct sub-codex and Ward mistakenly referred to the "Iron Hands Chapter Master" in the 5th Edition C:SM. So yeah, I'm not claiming Death Company Terminators is the ruination of the Blood Angels fluff, I'm just saying don't be too eager to see GW mess around with the fluff of your favourite chapter even on a small scale, because down the line it only takes one idiot writer to rework their entire background around that single change.

Excuse me I don't know much about Iron Hands so the answer to this question might be obvious but why in hell do the Iron Hands disdain their Primarch? What is the reason behind that one? Sounds weird to me since I always thought of Ferrus' death as being tragic.


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 th3maninblak wrote:
Why is it that any thread talking about Blood Angels inevitably includes conversations about how they shouldnt have a book of their own? One of the oldest chapters, who have been around since 2nd edition, have a divergent gene seed, their own technology, and a very hefty flaw TOTALLY dont need a book. So please take the "zomg BA are stoopid and dont need gak so update me kaos" somewhere else.

Is it like this the Space Wolf, Dark Angels and Grey Knights threads? When Black Templars were rolled back into Codex Space Marines there were a lot of unhappy people.

This edition is sort of a whole new world as far as release schedules go. The codex will tell us everything though, if it's not in there it's not coming out until a supplement comes out.

I think were in 3-4 week release windows at the moment.

breakingstick wrote:
I have some questions for some of the more seasoned 40k players. I do not follow all releases but I am rather concerned about this release. In the leak for next month's releases only the tactical squad and sanginary priest squad are listed along with the codex. For example, this DC terminator thing is not listed for next week.

Compared to the latest releases in 6th and 7th ed. (with the exception of Grey Knights) that seems very much lacking.

Will there be subsequent releases?

Has GW been releasing kits after the codex comes out in 7th ed.?

The release schedule for every recent codex has included several waves spread across different weeks. While we can't expect additional models in the coming weeks in addition to the Tactical Squad and Sanguinary Priest, they have not been ruled out. If there are additional models coming, we will know soon enough. It is common for model releases to be spread across multiple weeks.

breakingstick wrote:
I have some questions for some of the more seasoned 40k players. I do not follow all releases but I am rather concerned about this release. In the leak for next month's releases only the tactical squad and sanginary priest squad are listed along with the codex. For example, this DC terminator thing is not listed for next week.

Compared to the latest releases in 6th and 7th ed. (with the exception of Grey Knights) that seems very much lacking.

Will there be subsequent releases?

Has GW been releasing kits after the codex comes out in 7th ed.?

GW release things by the week now as opposed to the month. Its been like that for a while now. SO this weeks release is the deathstorm box. Next week is the codex, tac squad, cards, dice etc and then hopefully something else the next again

 DarthOvious wrote:

Excuse me I don't know much about Iron Hands so the answer to this question might be obvious but why in hell do the Iron Hands disdain their Primarch? What is the reason behind that one? Sounds weird to me since I always thought of Ferrus' death as being tragic.

Human emotion. Ferrus was very, very angry and he refused to retreat against what was clearly a no-win scenario because it was an ambush from the very start. His anger clouded his thoughts, the Iron Hands didn't retreat, they lost pretty much their entire fighting power and so the Iron Hands were unable to do almost nothing for the remainder of the Horus Heresy (much like the Salamanders), Ferrus lost his life, all because Ferrus was too pissed.

The remaining Iron Hands didn't enjoy that.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
I suspect Yohdrin's referring to the fluff changes in 6th ed. C:SM and Clan Raukaan supplement.

I am indeed. They took a chapter with as much organisational uniqueness as the Space Wolves and a backstory hook at least as characterful and tragic as the Blood Angels, and turned them into a baseline Codex chapter of Spock Marines that disdain their own Primarch, and it largely seems to have happened because GW didn't want to do another distinct sub-codex and Ward mistakenly referred to the "Iron Hands Chapter Master" in the 5th Edition C:SM. So yeah, I'm not claiming Death Company Terminators is the ruination of the Blood Angels fluff, I'm just saying don't be too eager to see GW mess around with the fluff of your favourite chapter even on a small scale, because down the line it only takes one idiot writer to rework their entire background around that single change.

Excuse me I don't know much about Iron Hands so the answer to this question might be obvious but why in hell do the Iron Hands disdain their Primarch? What is the reason behind that one? Sounds weird to me since I always thought of Ferrus' death as being tragic.

Originally the IH reacted to the death of Ferrus by becoming insular, suspicious, and hateful. They despised the Traitors, the Emperor's Children above all obviously. They blamed the Salamanders and Raven Guard for trying to escape the Dropsite Massacre since, in the IH's eyes, if they had supported Ferrus' push into the ranks of the Traitors, Horus and Fulgrim could have been killed potentially ending the Heresy right then and there, and also Ferrus would not have died. They even blamed themselves for not being strong enough to support Ferrus alone. They became obsessed with eradicating weakness, in themselves and in everyone else. They became hard and ruthlessly pragmatic.

In the new fluff, they blame their own Primarch for his death, seeing him as too rash, and so turned themselves into robo-Vulcans.

I wish I was joking.

I actually think that the new iron hands fullf is pretty cool. More orignial and characterful than the old one.

A retailer on facebook just posted a picture of a GW black box he received. I wonder whats inside...

 th3maninblak wrote:
A retailer on facebook just posted a picture of a GW black box he received. I wonder whats inside...

and in other non news...

Maybe it's one of the xmas boxes where the present is the box itself. I was under the impression that the whole freebie black box thing was stopped years ago. The last one I remember was for the 5th edition GK release.

 pretre wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
A retailer on facebook just posted a picture of a GW black box he received. I wonder whats inside...

and in other non news...

Haha very true. Its just tantalizing and frustrating.

Thanks to the replies about the Iron Hands question I had. Sound slike there was a big change in the fluff for that one.

 warboss wrote:
Maybe it's one of the xmas boxes where the present is the box itself. I was under the impression that the whole freebie black box thing was stopped years ago. The last one I remember was for the 5th edition GK release.

Seriously!

The fact that a black box was done alone is news.

 DarthOvious wrote:
Thanks to the replies about the Iron Hands question I had. Sound slike there was a big change in the fluff for that one.

The previous posters are both bang on, and this seems to be where their mantra of "The flesh is weak" originates. I'd only be reiterating what's already been said by going in to this, but damn, you must really hate your father figure to start replacing your own body parts with bionics just so you could become less like him!

Another worthless post, but this week needs to hurry up because I have $649 worth of Forge World Heresy Marines in my cart...

Personally, I found the new IH fluff refreshing, even if it was a radical change. SM aren't mindless drones or starlets whose knees quiver at one mention of their Primarch. Yes, they are devoted to him, but perhaps not slavishly.

Going from "boo hoo, everyone is at fault and us the most" to "holy crap, the man who we saw as our father almost got ALL of us killed just because he was too angry which makes him a crap general, but we will not falter in our devotion to the Emperor" is a lot more mature.

They had better nerf Mephiston, it would make my friend very upset!!

 LutherMax wrote:
The priest kit / blister is perfect for kitbash / conversion. I'm pretty sure that was the intention.

A quick flick through the model galleries in the 6th/7th edition codexes very quickly reveals just how much consideration GW are currently giving to conversions...

Got the new WD. Only really new thing is that it confirmed that there is no new Assault Squad coming. However, the Tactical Squad box should have enough bits to customize an Assault Squad. I hope, at least. The weapons bits seem to be pretty good. All the basic guns, a hand flamer, grav pistol, and a combi bolted.

Just got to look at the next weeks white dwarf and was able to make out most of the page for sanguinary guard. The points costs listed earlier were accurate (165 for 5 dudes), and they came with the same wargear as before but had standard "sword encarmines" which could be traded for "axe encarmines" at no cost. Chapter banner took a 5 point discount, other points costs i couldnt make out, but the best is yet to come.

Firstly, the option was there to add up to 5 ADDITIONAL sanguinary guard, increasing the squad size to 10. Finally, they came with the fearless and furious charge special rule. Interestingly, the dreadnought on the opposite page (whos info was much less clear) ALSO had the furious charge special rule. I think all blood angels come standard with it now, which would be amazing.

I'm surprised they didn't get their own special variant of FC called Bloody Charge!

 insaniak wrote:

 LutherMax wrote:
The priest kit / blister is perfect for kitbash / conversion. I'm pretty sure that was the intention.

A quick flick through the model galleries in the 6th/7th edition codexes very quickly reveals just how much consideration GW are currently giving to conversions...

Yeah, the most I seen in my DE book is a couple of swapped heads and a kit-bashed Archon.

 Orock wrote:
Sanguinary Priest to HQ. Cobulo removed.

FNP lowered to 6+ and model based, not unit based for the aura.

And they cause Fear, 'cause why the hell not?

 th3maninblak wrote:
Just got to look at the next weeks white dwarf and was able to make out most of the page for sanguinary guard. The points costs listed earlier were accurate (165 for 5 dudes), and they came with the same wargear as before but had standard "sword encarmines" which could be traded for "axe encarmines" at no cost. Chapter banner took a 5 point discount, other points costs i couldnt make out, but the best is yet to come.

Firstly, the option was there to add up to 5 ADDITIONAL sanguinary guard, increasing the squad size to 10. Finally, they came with the fearless and furious charge special rule. Interestingly, the dreadnought on the opposite page (whos info was much less clear) ALSO had the furious charge special rule. I think all blood angels come standard with it now, which would be amazing.

That, or it's specifically listed because almost no one else gets it.

Why not just make it an army wide rule if everyone were to get it?

Probably because its a USR instead of a unique chapter tactic thingy. Still really powerful. And why would they randomly give a regular dread furious charge? Im betting everyone has it.