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**Sinful Hero**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sinful Hero wrote:
Sisters...

Sinful Hero wrote:
...who survived

No such thing.

Well, I suppose it didn't mention them getting out of the system, so I guess I should say they've survived so far...

**OIIIIIIO**

Sinful Hero wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sinful Hero wrote:
Sisters...

Sinful Hero wrote:
...who survived

No such thing.

Well, I suppose it didn't mention them getting out of the system, so I guess I should say they've survived so far...

The Grey Knights are on the way to rectify that situation ....

**schadenfreude**

The value of a jump pack depends on the unit. Saying it's always worth 3 points a model means it's worth 3 points a model for both a gargoyle and a wraith knight. It's worth more on a 2+ model with a power weapon than it is on an assault marine.

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33 sounds about right for sanguine guard

I am more curious what the cost of death company will be. My hope and guess is 18 per model, 5 to 8 for a jump pack, and 15 for a power weapon.

**Paradigm**

SangGuard dropping in points AND getting a higher squad capacity is awesome, I now need another box!

Army wide FC would be nice, very nice... I also have a feeling Priests will drop in points or grant another bonus instead, maybe Counter-Attack or Rage?

**casvalremdeikun**

Somehow I see people bitching about Blood Angels being OP in the near future. This is despite the fact that they will probably be mid-tier at best when all of this is all said and done.

But yes, two boxes of Sanguinary Guard made their way onto my wishlist.

**schadenfreude**

My gut instinct is priests will get fnp nerfed to the priest's squad only and moved to a no slot hq.

What can really make or break the codex is the special characters and relics

**Kirasu**

All you need is 1 great unit and then you can add in lots of random allies!

**Frankenberry**

Not sure where I read it, but the DC and SG boxes got pulled because they're getting the current 'black box' treatment that the rest of the SM stuff got, apologies if someone already mentioned this.

Has anyone seen anything from Deathstorm yet? Blood Angels portion of the campaign wise?

**DarthOvious**

warboss wrote:
DO IT TO IT wrote:

Space Wolves all have Acute Senses and Counter-attack but it's listed flat instead of as an army wide rule. Seems to reason that all Blood Angels might have Furious Charge now. If it's true.

While it is better than nothing or worst yet *random roll* I mean cinematic... furious charge got worse in 6/7th and counterattack got better in 7e. In any case, didn't every blood angel have it back in 3rd edition?

Yes we did, and that's also when you got the init bonus as well as the strength bonus.

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casvalremdeikun wrote:
So the Sanguinary Guard have moved up to a priority to me. Probably going to get a couple boxes. I love the idea of a highly mobile "terminator" squad. Love their aesthetics too. Though I am not all that huge on them being fully gold. Might pain them red and have a lot of gold details with gold deathmasks. That way Dante will be the only fully blinged out marine. I dunno. I will have to see once I get a few. I am really excited to get started on a Blood Angels army. This birthday is going to be a red one!

EDIT: Forgot to mention this in my other post. The previews for next week mention "An Unexpected Ally". This is more than likely a reference to Necrons coming to bail out the Blood Angels. That or it is about the Bloodthirster teaming up with the Tyranids. My money is on Necrons teaming up with Blood Angels though.

So basically that picture floating around the internet with a Blood Angel and Necron bro-fisting could actually be true. After saying to people in this very thread about creating a narrative for fluff they don't like this one might just be a step too much for me.

**Bartali**

Still not seeing anything that makes Sang Guard worthwhile so far. Points drop is nice, but the weapons appear to still be lacklustre (unless Glaive Encarmines get radically changed), they still don't have an inv. save and have a low number of attacks

They're an elite assault unit that'll fold to other elite assault units like Thunderwolf Cav, TH/SS Terminators, Assault Centurions...

Maybe with a squad size of 10 there might be some synergy with a buffing character or psychic power

**Theophony**

Sinful Hero wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sinful Hero wrote:
Sisters...

Sinful Hero wrote:
...who survived

No such thing.

Well, I suppose it didn't mention them getting out of the system, so I guess I should say they've survived so far...

Well they've all been Ripley'd (genestealers in their bellies), and their ship will land on a Penal colony, so we will see Adeptus Arbites figures in plastic versus an new all plastic Genestealer army.....but no plastic sisters

**casvalremdeikun**

DarthOvious wrote:
So basically that picture floating around the internet with a Blood Angel and Necron bro-fisting could actually be true. After saying to people in this very thread about creating a narrative for fluff they don't like this one might just be a step too much for me.

Pretty much. I am prepared to see this place implode if that happens. Honestly, there are WORSE things that could happen in the fluff. And Necrons definitely hate the Tyranids more than they do the Blood Angels, so this is probably a case of "the enemy of my enemy" more than brofisting.

**TheDraconicLord**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
DarthOvious wrote:
So basically that picture floating around the internet with a Blood Angel and Necron bro-fisting could actually be true. After saying to people in this very thread about creating a narrative for fluff they don't like this one might just be a step too much for me.
Pretty much. I am prepared to see this place implode if that happens. Honestly, there are WORSE things that could happen in the fluff. And Necrons definitely hate the Tyranids more than they do the Blood Angels, so this is probably a case of "the enemy of my enemy" more than brofisting.

Oh, if that happens it shall be glorious. I would LOVE to see such a thing happening.

Now in all honesty, I actually would enjoy if that particular bit of fluff was explored a bit deeper. The "New Necron" Lords all have their personalities (I think people are still too hung up on the "Old Necrons" fluff. Which, IMHO, SUCKS), each and every one of them sees battle honour and respect for his enemy (or lack of) differently, why the heck the BA didn't turn on them instantly, I dunno, but whatever, I'd like to see it a bit more fleshed out.

Hell, I'd love a reason for this comic to happen on the tabletop xD

Spoiler:

**Paradigm**

Bartali wrote:
Still not seeing anything that makes Sang Guard worthwhile so far. Points drop is nice, but the weapons appear to still be lacklustre (unless Glaive Encarmines get radically changed), they still don't have an inv. save and have a low number of attacks

They're an elite assault unit that'll fold to other elite assault units like Thunderwolf Cav, TH/SS Terminators, Assault Centurions...

Maybe with a squad size of 10 there might be some synergy with a buffing character or psychic power

They also have mobility over Termies/Cents/Lychguard/Mutilators/MANz/Carnifexes/most units that pose a serious threat to them. There are two types of 'elite assault units', the ones that do huge damage in a single hit but only excel against expensive stuff (the likes of Termies/MANz that don't care you paid for an Armour Save) and the ones that go in against key but weaker units, stack up wounds and run them down. SangGuard are very much in the latter category, throwing them up against units with 2+ saves and AP2 is a waste if everything they offer and not a fight they should ever be in.

**JuniorRS13**

TheDraconicLord wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
DarthOvious wrote:
So basically that picture floating around the internet with a Blood Angel and Necron bro-fisting could actually be true. After saying to people in this very thread about creating a narrative for fluff they don't like this one might just be a step too much for me.
Pretty much. I am prepared to see this place implode if that happens. Honestly, there are WORSE things that could happen in the fluff. And Necrons definitely hate the Tyranids more than they do the Blood Angels, so this is probably a case of "the enemy of my enemy" more than brofisting.

Oh, if that happens it shall be glorious. I would LOVE to see such a thing happening.

Now in all honesty, I actually would enjoy if that particular bit of fluff was explored a bit deeper. The "New Necron" Lords all have their personalities (I think people are still too hung up on the "Old Necrons" fluff. Which, IMHO, SUCKS), each and every one of them sees battle honour and respect for his enemy (or lack of) differently, why the heck the BA didn't turn on them instantly, I dunno, but whatever, I'd like to see it a bit more fleshed out.

Hell, I'd love a reason for this comic to happen on the tabletop xD

Spoiler:

Im a fan of the new necron fluff too and wouldn't mind this fluff explore more, as i did just decide to start a necron army recently this would be a nice read for me

**Bartali**

Paradigm wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Still not seeing anything that makes Sang Guard worthwhile so far. Points drop is nice, but the weapons appear to still be lacklustre (unless Glaive Encarmines get radically changed), they still don't have an inv. save and have a low number of attacks

They're an elite assault unit that'll fold to other elite assault units like Thunderwolf Cav, TH/SS Terminators, Assault Centurions...

Maybe with a squad size of 10 there might be some synergy with a buffing character or psychic power

They also have mobility over Termies/Cents/Lychguard/Mutilators/MANz/Carnifexes/most units that pose a serious threat to them. There are two types of 'elite assault units', the ones that do huge damage in a single hit but only excel against expensive stuff (the likes of Termies/MANz that don't care you paid for an Armour Save) and the ones that go in against key but weaker units, stack up wounds and run them down. SangGuard are very much in the latter category, throwing them up against units with 2+ saves and AP2 is a waste if everything they offer and not a fight they should ever be in.

Mobility only really matters if you do something when you get there. No point being faster than TH/SS Terminators if you're going to bounce of them when you get there.
Proper assault units like Thunderwolf Cav have mobility and threat in spades.

**endlesswaltz123**

Yeah, one is a heavy assault unit that can get tied up by blobs and dragged down by them, the other is the elite assault unit that can tear through the blobs but would fold to the heavy assault unit. Rock, paper scissors.

**Paradigm**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Yeah, one is a heavy assault unit that can get tied up by blobs and dragged down by them, the other is the elite assault unit that can tear through the blobs but would fold to the heavy assault unit. Rock, paper scissors.

Yeah, exactly. When you can move twice as fast as your hard counter, there's not really any reason you should ever be in combat with TH/SS Termies using SangGuard. TH/SS is basically built to blunt elite assaults and wreck tanks, while SG are Assassin units and bullies. Swap their roles and each would be useless, but play to their strengths and they are great.

**sauhwq**

I think this release, including the Codex, just shows how much Chaos needs God-specific Codex's & models.

**angelofvengeance**

sauhwq wrote:
I think this release, including the Codex, just shows how much Chaos needs God-specific Codex's & models.

Best you can hope for is supplements lol

**casvalremdeikun**

sauhwq wrote:
I think this release, including the Codex, just shows how much Chaos needs God-specific Codex's & models.

So in this hypothetical, the big book would be Chaos Undivided, then it would be the World Eaters and Khorne, Emperor's Children and Slaanesh, Thousand Sons and Tzeentch, and Death Guard and Nurgle? I could get on board with that.

**warboss**

Can you take the chaos wishlisting to its own thread instead of derailing this one again?

**reds8n**

warboss wrote:
Can you take the chaos wishlisting to its own thread instead of derailing this one again?

Indeed.

Thanks.

**NoggintheNog**

So, £18 for the new sanguinary priest in plastic. Or 2 Forgeworld apothecaries for £21?

The pricing of GW characters is utterly insane these days.

I'm looking forward to the tac squad, looks to be enough parts in there to blood angel up an assault squad as well.

I think Ill stick to converted sanguinary guards for my priests. Still hoping for a new Mephiston though.

**MrFlutterPie**

Theophony wrote:
Sinful Hero wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sinful Hero wrote:
Sisters...

Sinful Hero wrote:
...who survived

No such thing.

Well, I suppose it didn't mention them getting out of the system, so I guess I should say they've survived so far...

Well they've all been Ripley'd (genestealers in their bellies), and their ship will land on a Penal colony, so we will see Adeptus Arbites figures in plastic versus an new all plastic Genestealer army.....but no plastic sisters

I would still be thrilled and would buy the heck out of that

**Andilus Greatsword**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
DarthOvious wrote:
So basically that picture floating around the internet with a Blood Angel and Necron bro-fisting could actually be true. After saying to people in this very thread about creating a narrative for fluff they don't like this one might just be a step too much for me.
Pretty much. I am prepared to see this place implode if that happens. Honestly, there are WORSE things that could happen in the fluff. And Necrons definitely hate the Tyranids more than they do the Blood Angels, so this is probably a case of "the enemy of my enemy" more than brofisting.

Oh my god... I'm almost certain this is going to happen now. In Stormclaw, the GK came along near the end to ally the Guard and Wolves, although it was mainly to act as an excuse to put out a new GK dex. With BA being updated, the last Codex to need an update is the Necrons, and rumours are putting them up pretty imminently. Thus, I'd be willing to bet that the next or last Baal book will feature Necrons to bring about their new Codex.

**DO IT TO IT**

From Bolter & Chainsword:

Sure love how the one of the actual book pages is unreadably blurry.

**adamsouza**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Somehow, I see people bitching about Blood Angels being OP in the near future.

Some people hate change.
Some people hate any improvements to any army they don't play.
Some peope like to bitch about things they can't possibly know, or even reasonably predict.
Some people just want to watch the world burn.

**pretre**

Natfka posted this

The picture was put up at the following link. Really not sure who to credit for it, but FuriosoLibrarian had found it.
http://postimg.org/image/s46w6mmlz/
http://es.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29xu9v8&s=8#.VH8iJTHF9dU

**rhavien**

I think the WD picture of the sang guard shows them also on the new bases. Can anyone guess if there is a 'can take up to...models for...points' hidden in this blurry mess?