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Well there are a few things I can deduce from that. First, it is either not in English or Sanguinary Guard don't have ATSKNF. I'm not sure whether or not they have Fearless (did they in 5th?) or maybe Red Thirst covers it? IF you are confused, look at the bottom left hand corner of the image. The Special Rules and Wargear. Wargear must be on top, as the bottom section has only has 2 entries, far to short for Sanguinary Guard. The bottom entry's title is also two words.
The reason I say its not English is because of the top section, which I can assume is Wargear given that Special Rules are below. There are 3 particularly long entries, although unreadable. Likelihood is that 2 of these are Frag and Krak grenades while another is the Glave Encarmine. There are also 6 entries in total, which is how many SG have (Grenades, Grenades, Glave, Bolter, Armour, Jump Pack). However, all the words there are too long to be something like Jump Pack which are short words.

The other thing we can say is that the Dreadnought will be a separate unit to Furiosos, Librarians and Death Company Dreadnoughts. Only 1 stat profile is listed on that page. If the Dreadnought could upgrade, it would have multiple stats listed as per the SW and Grey Knight versions. I can see that it costs 100pts like the Vanilla version and the Chaos Helbrute (although that is another rip-off for Chaos who have to pay 5pts for a Stormbolter for identical loadout).

I don't understand why people find it so difficult to take pictures. I really don't.

So that means our primaris is cc dedicated. Also one of our special tac objectives can only be achieved in cc. Please GW give us the right power to use this what do you guys think about the magna grapple change? Pretty drastic change from a shooting attack to give some bonus

 Thud wrote:
I don't understand why people find it so difficult to take pictures. I really don't.

Because it's more enjoyable for them to laugh at us. :/

 Thud wrote:
I don't understand why people find it so difficult to take pictures. I really don't.

Well the two theories are that either:

This is GW deliberately leaking info for hype, but have turned from showing the full thing including points in English to either non-English language or blurry, the former because GW obviously thinks that the rest of Europe, South America and Asia are not their demographic and they focus only on the Brits and Yanks who are too dumb to learn another language (which the English are renowned for) or too dumb period (a common British thing to think of Americans, and I wouldn't put it pst GW to think that way).

The other theory is this is some guy at the printers or in the production line taking a quick snap when no-one's look, and needs to be quick and dodgy about it because if he gets caught, not only is he liable to loss his job, get a bad reference for future jobs, but also has a highly probability of getting sued by GW. Plus, then there will be NO leaks whatsoever.

Wow, the magna grapple refers to a unit containing at least one model; with it. It's a dreadnaught weapon, so it's safe to predict dreadnaught vehicle squadrons!

 Red Corsair wrote:
Wow, the magna grapple refers to a unit containing at least one model; with it. It's a dreadnaught weapon, so it's safe to predict dreadnaught vehicle squadrons!

They are probably just future proofing a formation or 8

Or they where not paying attention

Ether sounds likely.

 Thud wrote:
I don't understand why people find it so difficult to take pictures. I really don't.

The problem is they keep taking photos with potatoes instead of cameras...

 Thud wrote:
I don't understand why people find it so difficult to take pictures. I really don't.

It's a picture from one of those thumbnail previews in the White Dwarf. They won't be sharp no matter what camera you use.


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 Deadshot wrote:
Well there are a few things I can deduce from that. First, it is either not in English or Sanguinary Guard don't have ATSKNF. I'm not sure whether or not they have Fearless (did they in 5th?) or maybe Red Thirst covers it? IF you are confused, look at the bottom left hand corner of the image. The Special Rules and Wargear. Wargear must be on top, as the bottom section has only has 2 entries, far to short for Sanguinary Guard. The bottom entry's title is also two words.
The reason I say its not English is because of the top section, which I can assume is Wargear given that Special Rules are below. There are 3 particularly long entries, although unreadable. Likelihood is that 2 of these are Frag and Krak grenades while another is the Glave Encarmine. There are also 6 entries in total, which is how many SG have (Grenades, Grenades, Glave, Bolter, Armour, Jump Pack). However, all the words there are too long to be something like Jump Pack which are short words.

The other thing we can say is that the Dreadnought will be a separate unit to Furiosos, Librarians and Death Company Dreadnoughts. Only 1 stat profile is listed on that page. If the Dreadnought could upgrade, it would have multiple stats listed as per the SW and Grey Knight versions. I can see that it costs 100pts like the Vanilla version and the Chaos Helbrute (although that is another rip-off for Chaos who have to pay 5pts for a Stormbolter for identical loadout).

It's most definitely English. The rules for the SG are Fearless and Furious Charge. The wargear just has page numbers behind them.

 Redemption wrote:

 Thud wrote:
I don't understand why people find it so difficult to take pictures. I really don't.

It's a picture from one of those thumbnail previews in the White Dwarf. They won't be sharp no matter what camera you use.


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 Deadshot wrote:
Well there are a few things I can deduce from that. First, it is either not in English or Sanguinary Guard don't have ATSKNF. I'm not sure whether or not they have Fearless (did they in 5th?) or maybe Red Thirst covers it? IF you are confused, look at the bottom left hand corner of the image. The Special Rules and Wargear. Wargear must be on top, as the bottom section has only has 2 entries, far to short for Sanguinary Guard. The bottom entry's title is also two words.
The reason I say its not English is because of the top section, which I can assume is Wargear given that Special Rules are below. There are 3 particularly long entries, although unreadable. Likelihood is that 2 of these are Frag and Krak grenades while another is the Glave Encarmine. There are also 6 entries in total, which is how many SG have (Grenades, Grenades, Glave, Bolter, Armour, Jump Pack). However, all the words there are too long to be something like Jump Pack which are short words.

The other thing we can say is that the Dreadnought will be a separate unit to Furiosos, Librarians and Death Company Dreadnoughts. Only 1 stat profile is listed on that page. If the Dreadnought could upgrade, it would have multiple stats listed as per the SW and Grey Knight versions. I can see that it costs 100pts like the Vanilla version and the Chaos Helbrute (although that is another rip-off for Chaos who have to pay 5pts for a Stormbolter for identical loadout).

It's most definitely English. The rules for the SG are Fearless and Furious Charge. The wargear just has page numbers behind them.

What about Descent of Angels?

It only lists two rules, so no, doesn't look like it.

 Redemption wrote:

 Thud wrote:
I don't understand why people find it so difficult to take pictures. I really don't.

It's a picture from one of those thumbnail previews in the White Dwarf. They won't be sharp no matter what camera you use.


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 Deadshot wrote:
Well there are a few things I can deduce from that. First, it is either not in English or Sanguinary Guard don't have ATSKNF. I'm not sure whether or not they have Fearless (did they in 5th?) or maybe Red Thirst covers it? IF you are confused, look at the bottom left hand corner of the image. The Special Rules and Wargear. Wargear must be on top, as the bottom section has only has 2 entries, far to short for Sanguinary Guard. The bottom entry's title is also two words.
The reason I say its not English is because of the top section, which I can assume is Wargear given that Special Rules are below. There are 3 particularly long entries, although unreadable. Likelihood is that 2 of these are Frag and Krak grenades while another is the Glave Encarmine. There are also 6 entries in total, which is how many SG have (Grenades, Grenades, Glave, Bolter, Armour, Jump Pack). However, all the words there are too long to be something like Jump Pack which are short words.

The other thing we can say is that the Dreadnought will be a separate unit to Furiosos, Librarians and Death Company Dreadnoughts. Only 1 stat profile is listed on that page. If the Dreadnought could upgrade, it would have multiple stats listed as per the SW and Grey Knight versions. I can see that it costs 100pts like the Vanilla version and the Chaos Helbrute (although that is another rip-off for Chaos who have to pay 5pts for a Stormbolter for identical loadout).

It's most definitely English. The rules for the SG are Fearless and Furious Charge. The wargear just has page numbers behind them.

Ah, of course, that's what it is! I had forgotten GW now needs to make references to page numbers because of their crappy new layout. Thanks!

The small image of an army on WD #44 pg 14 has a librarian on it that I couldn't place at first. It looks like he has a pistol in one hand and a double bladed axe in the other. Is this the librarian from Space Hulk?

 Desubot wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Wow, the magna grapple refers to a unit containing at least one model; with it. It's a dreadnaught weapon, so it's safe to predict dreadnaught vehicle squadrons!

They are probably just future proofing a formation or 8

Or they where not paying attention

Ether sounds likely.

Idont know, blood angles have the most dreadnaught variants I believe.

Libby
Furiouso
Death comspany
Standard

I can easily see libby/furiouso being in squadrons.

DO IT TO IT wrote:
What about Descent of Angels?

Probably tied to a formation, like the Grey Knights Turn 1 deepstrike

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:
So basically that picture floating around the internet with a Blood Angel and Necron bro-fisting could actually be true. After saying to people in this very thread about creating a narrative for fluff they don't like this one might just be a step too much for me.

Pretty much. I am prepared to see this place implode if that happens. Honestly, there are WORSE things that could happen in the fluff. And Necrons definitely hate the Tyranids more than they do the Blood Angels, so this is probably a case of "the enemy of my enemy" more than brofisting.

The original fluff was fine when Blood Angels and Necrons put their differences aside to fight the Tyranids but I'm not sure why Necrons would come to their aid to the Blood Angels very own system. I'm going to have to put my fluff narravtive skills into hyper overdrive to come up with a story for that one.

As a slight curveball, it could be the Knights of Blood chapter. They are renegade and they did re-enter the Baal system to help in the defence against the daemons and kids.

I just don't know about that quickening power. It's like a nerfed warp speed, with the exception that it gives fleet, and in some situations you might benefit from tossing it on some other dude nearby. But the fleet part literally only helps if the Libby is alone, so Mephy or furioso libbies. And Mephy in the current codex has fleet already.

Disappointing choice for the Primaris, really. Would've preferred blood lance, sanguine sword, or wings of sanguinius instead.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
As a slight curveball, it could be the Knights of Blood chapter. They are renegade and they did re-enter the Baal system to help in the defence against the daemons and kids.

I would be a nice twist if it turns out Mephiston can summon daemons without the great risk of perils.

 Fayric wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
As a slight curveball, it could be the Knights of Blood chapter. They are renegade and they did re-enter the Baal system to help in the defence against the daemons and kids.

I would be a nice twist if it turns out Mephiston can summon daemons without the great risk of perils.

Uh, what? Loyalist space marines don't summon demons. Don't confuse inane 7th edition mechanics designed to be cash grabs with actual background :p

 Kirasu wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
As a slight curveball, it could be the Knights of Blood chapter. They are renegade and they did re-enter the Baal system to help in the defence against the daemons and kids.

I would be a nice twist if it turns out Mephiston can summon daemons without the great risk of perils.

Uh, what? Loyalist space marines don't summon demons. Don't confuse inane 7th edition mechanics designed to be cash grabs with actual background :p

Souls of their fallen bretheren. Expand your mind bro!

 Kirasu wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
As a slight curveball, it could be the Knights of Blood chapter. They are renegade and they did re-enter the Baal system to help in the defence against the daemons and kids.

I would be a nice twist if it turns out Mephiston can summon daemons without the great risk of perils.

Uh, what? Loyalist space marines don't summon demons. Don't confuse inane 7th edition mechanics designed to be cash grabs with actual background :p

In fluff Mephiston has been taunted by a daemon before that he's only a step or two away from turning into one himself.

 DarthOvious wrote:

The original fluff was fine when Blood Angels and Necrons put their differences aside to fight the Tyranids but I'm not sure why Necrons would come to their aid to the Blood Angels very own system. I'm going to have to put my fluff narravtive skills into hyper overdrive to come up with a story for that one.

Nemessor Zandrek confuses Baal for an allied Necron Dynasty Homeworld.

The Necrons feel it's a matter of honor to repay the life debt for the Blood Angels assistance fighting the previous Tyranid incursion.

The Tyranids are a greatest threat to the Necrontyr Empire since the Old Ones. The Necrons have an old bit of wisdom, applicable to the situration, about the enemies of their enemy being a great expendible resource .

niv-mizzet wrote:
I just don't know about that quickening power. It's like a nerfed warp speed, with the exception that it gives fleet, and in some situations you might benefit from tossing it on some other dude nearby. But the fleet part literally only helps if the Libby is alone, so Mephy or furioso libbies. And Mephy in the current codex has fleet already.

Disappointing choice for the Primaris, really. Would've preferred blood lance, sanguine sword, or wings of sanguinius instead.

I guess you could:
Run a libby with Mephiston
Take Sanguine powers for the libby
Take Biomancy for Mephiston
Hope for Warp Speed
Double buff Mephiston
F*** $hit up for days
Profit?

niv-mizzet wrote:
I just don't know about that quickening power. It's like a nerfed warp speed, with the exception that it gives fleet, and in some situations you might benefit from tossing it on some other dude nearby. But the fleet part literally only helps if the Libby is alone, so Mephy or furioso libbies. And Mephy in the current codex has fleet already.

Disappointing choice for the Primaris, really. Would've preferred blood lance, sanguine sword, or wings of sanguinius instead.

Warp Speed works only on the caster, right? Quickening works on a target or the caster.

On the card, it says quickening works on the caster himself, or a character within 12" (think so anyway)...

Shame it couldn't be a unit, imagine it on sang guard or death company!

If it's a character though it can be a unit champ. Which is actually kinda nice.

 Thud wrote:
I don't understand why people find it so difficult to take pictures. I really don't.

Earthquakes man. Those things'll sneak up on you.

 pretre wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
I just don't know about that quickening power. It's like a nerfed warp speed, with the exception that it gives fleet, and in some situations you might benefit from tossing it on some other dude nearby. But the fleet part literally only helps if the Libby is alone, so Mephy or furioso libbies. And Mephy in the current codex has fleet already.

Disappointing choice for the Primaris, really. Would've preferred blood lance, sanguine sword, or wings of sanguinius instead.

Warp Speed works only on the caster, right? Quickening works on a target or the caster.

Yes, I mentioned that in the post you quoted already.

A lot of the times it seems like your best move is to just toss it on a sarge or priest nearby to give them a leg up. I doubt fleet will come up EVER outside of furioso libbies. Still don't think the fleet and targeting allowance were worth dropping warp speed from 3 to d3 though. And it's not like I was salivating over warp speed before. Just another "meh" power.

Btw as for the no ATSKNF issue,does a model with the fearless special rule have any need for it?