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**Kangodo**

But C:SM was a 6th Ed. Codex.
It's something they aren't doing in the newer Codices.

Though there isn't any reason to suspect ASM will go to our FA-slot.

**Bartali**

Carnage43 wrote:
BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
So has it been confirmed that assault marines will still be a troop choice that is still my biggest fear. All other changes I can deal with but seeing as I don't own a single tactical marine for my blood Angels I would be very upset if all 50 of my assault marines no longer could be troops.

No word yet that I've seen.

So, no new terminator type, but a BA blinged out kit to go with the tactical kit and a new Sang priest kit.

There best be something hidden up their sleeve, or I'm not buying a thing this release. This is looking to be GK level of release ATM, nothing new, some nerfs, some buffs (only DC that's I've seen so far) but nothing particularly interesting. Bleh.

Pretty much my take on it so far. Stuff going through the blanderiser without anything else catching my eye. Terminators still at 40pts per model means I'm not going anywhere near those.
Hopefully there's something exciting to come

**nerdfest09**

Probably i'm on my own here, but doesn't anyone kind of like the thrill or challenge of a new Codex? as long as they keep the soul of our Chapter alive I'm interested to see how the changes make us re-think and battle slightly different in the theater of war. no matter what they do, if you're a BA player you can/will figure out a way to continue using the force in a way that you ENJOY, there will be changes of course but that's the beauty of it I feel, I have lots of Dreadnoughts and fifteen Terminators both units are pretty much useless but yet I still find myself enjoying the times I use them and trying to see what I CAN do with them.

all in all, we just gotta wait and see

**Jefffar**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
There will no doubt be a death company, assault marine and sang guard formation(s) that allow them to be troops

More likely a detachment that lets you field a lot more elites or fast attack, but ggives you a different detachment rule than objective secured making it pointless for you to take troops anyway.

**alexneufeld**

Rippy wrote:
BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
Rippy wrote:
Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

Yuk if true and death company are elites and sang priests are hq feel like that really over loads the elite section and angers me a little what on earth am I going to do with 9 custom made sang priests

Although that sucks about your 9 sang priests, I suspect that taking certain HQ types will unlock elites and make them troops, much te same way as chaos works with marked marines. That is complete speculation though.

Pretty sure Death Company and the Death Company Dread are not Elites given the icons on the rule sheets from Deathstorm both have the troops triangle icon, and the Terminators have the elites crux terminatus symbol (as they should).

**Sidstyler**

DarthOvious wrote:
And as pointed out your analogy does not work because you are not the be all and end all of rules design. Just because you don't like the rules then doesn't mean that others don't like them.

Just because people like them that doesn't make them good, either.

**Snrub**

nerdfest09 wrote:
Probably i'm on my own here, but doesn't anyone kind of like the thrill or challenge of a new Codex? as long as they keep the soul of our Chapter alive I'm interested to see how the changes make us re-think and battle slightly different in the theater of war. no matter what they do, if you're a BA player you can/will figure out a way to continue using the force in a way that you ENJOY, there will be changes of course but that's the beauty of it I feel, I have lots of Dreadnoughts and fifteen Terminators both units are pretty much useless but yet I still find myself enjoying the times I use them and trying to see what I CAN do with them.

all in all, we just gotta wait and see

That sounds like heresy my friend. Heresy most foul. Are you sure you and your Flesh Eaters are entirely loyal to the Golden Throne?

**Eldercaveman**

So is the Captain Aphael and Honour Guard kit bashed, or new kits?

**sockwithaticket**

Both! Kitbashes using new and existing kits.

**kaldanesh**

nerdfest09 wrote:
Probably i'm on my own here, but doesn't anyone kind of like the thrill or challenge of a new Codex? as long as they keep the soul of our Chapter alive I'm interested to see how the changes make us re-think and battle slightly different in the theater of war. no matter what they do, if you're a BA player you can/will figure out a way to continue using the force in a way that you ENJOY, there will be changes of course but that's the beauty of it I feel, I have lots of Dreadnoughts and fifteen Terminators both units are pretty much useless but yet I still find myself enjoying the times I use them and trying to see what I CAN do with them.

all in all, we just gotta wait and see

This. Exactly this. I'm all for new strategies and looking at glass half full. The codex is not in my hands yet. I'm ok with army wide DoA going away and I have several iterations of an all jump army (sanguinary guard army, 30 assault marines, 3 different honor guard squads and death company with jump packs). I have a feeling the eponymous warlord trait will be similar to that listed on Captain Karlaen's datasheet from deathstorm (reroll seize initiative and bonus to reserve rolls)

I'm excited to have new kits as I enjoy the collection aspect of the hobby more so than the hard core competitive play scene. Looking forward to Saturday!

**Orock**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
th3maninblak wrote:
Except assault marines are just troops, and nobs were a force org swap.

This. Orks never had Nobz as 'signature' troops. It was a force org swap from a Warlord and to be fair, the only thing close to that (a Force Org swap from a HQ) that remains in the game is Chaos Marines and the Mark dictating whether Berserkers, Plague Marines, T. Sons or Noise Marines are troops. And, to be perfectly fair this has been something of a Chaos staple since their 3rd edition codex (when the force org chart was introduced as what it is to this day). Expecting Nobz to remain troops was a joke and you know it. Anything that became a Force Org swap by taking X or Y that wasn't in existence previously wasn't going to survive to the next codex and you knew it.

Now, Blood Angels having Assault Marines as troops? That wasn't a swap, that was part of the book itself. Look at Troops, see Assault Marines - I doubt GW are so willing to invalidate armies by structure alone. (P.S., look at your old Ork Codex. Nobz are in Elites.)

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Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

50% rule is gone i 7e dude,.

Wow, someone is getting EXTREMELY defensive and hostile. Speaking of things you knew, you must suspect in your heart that jump troops are going to be fast attack only, barring some special leader shenanigans. Or I doubt you would be this mad.

This. It's gone. Now, the rule where you lose by default if you have nothing on the table is still there...but that's why you take a few squads of footsloggers or some drop pods and keep them safe. Also consider Deep Striking got a lot easier this edition.

**Sidstyler**

I'm pretty sure I've seen that captain before, or one awful similar.

**Kanluwen**

They used parts from the SM Commander box, so I would think that's what is causing the familiarity.

**Paradigm**

Sidstyler wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've seen that captain before, or one awful similar.

Body, head and legs are from the new BA Tacs, sword/pistol/cape/halo are from the multipart Captain. There was a similar conversion in the last codex.

**Eldercaveman**

Paradigm wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've seen that captain before, or one awful similar.

Body, head and legs are from the new BA Tacs, sword/pistol/cape/halo are from the multipart Captain. There was a similar conversion in the last codex.

And he matches the Artwork from here...

Which is a cool little tie in, and I'm thinking of doing a 2nd Company army now. And anything I need extra I'll 'draft' in from other companies.

**valkyriePROfail**

Any news about BA getting stormtalons?

**LutherMax**

valkyriePROfail wrote:
Any news about BA getting stormtalons?

None visible in the army shots we've seen so far, so I'm guessing not.

**Redemption**

Considering there aren't any Stormtalons (or Centurions for that matter) in any of the army pictures (where the yet to be announced terminator and librarian kit can be seen), I wouldn't hold my breath for them.

**LutherMax**

Looks like a new Sanguinary Priest character can be made from the kit.

I was planning to use a similar helmeted head on mine, plus I'm swapping the chalice for a gun...

**Kanluwen**

That looks to be from the Painting Guide rather than the Codex.

And it's not the layout for a character anyways, as it would have been a photo with the rules.

**casvalremdeikun**

I am going to steal a head out of the Tactical Squad box for my Sanguinary Priest. I really don't care for the Pumpkin-Pie haircut all the BAs with no helmets have.

**LutherMax**

Kanluwen wrote:
That looks to be from the Painting Guide rather than the Codex.

And it's not the layout for a character anyways, as it would have been a photo with the rules.

Good point, you might be right there. He is named though (top left of pic) - just new fluff I guess...

**Kelly502**

Good eye Eldercaveman, looks just like the picture.

**Taffy17**

its a kitbash similar to those in the other paint guides. The space wolves one had a sven bloodhowl kitbash. the Dark Eldar one had vraesque malidrach. They were both generic HQs.

I think they're just for inspiration.

**Eldercaveman**

Taffy17 wrote:
its a kitbash similar to those in the other paint guides. The space wolves one had a sven bloodhowl kitbash. the Dark Eldar one had vraesque malidrach. They were both generic HQs.

I think they're just for inspiration.

Yeah, but in terms of artwork to kitbash. Nailed it.

**endlesswaltz123**

I actually have an inkling it is done the other way round.

They make up a HQ and build the artwork off of that. It's a bit convenient that they can kit bash a model and match it so closely to all the detail of the artwork from just plastic kit parts, without greenstuff.

**DarkStarSabre**

Orock wrote:

Wow, someone is getting EXTREMELY defensive and hostile. Speaking of things you knew, you must suspect in your heart that jump troops are going to be fast attack only, barring some special leader shenanigans. Or I doubt you would be this mad.

Mad? No, I just tend to not cry doom and make comparisons that didn't really exist in the first place. Suspect we'll be keep our jump packs - considering they were blatantly put in the Troops section - i.e. not a force org swap like Ork Nobz or Tervigons. But I do very much suspect that DoA, being a trait now will make the jump army far less reliable than it previously was and that's something we're going to have to live with.

**SilverDevilfish**

Eldercaveman wrote:
So is the Captain Aphael and Honour Guard kit bashed, or new kits?

Guy on the left looks like he's taken one too many punches to the head, he should probably put his helmet back on lest he suffer more brain damage and lose more teeth... (God the fangs look terrible from a distance)

**endlesswaltz123**

Haha, if you have the conversion skills to sort his mop out, that is crying out for a rocky themed character.

**Red Marine**

Ive only read about fifty pages of this thread. What talk has there been about chapter tactics? Looks like just FC. Any other clues?