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Stupid Warseer putting the brakes on the info-dump.

There was a lot leaked though

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2670/618311.page#7413048

Surprised on the Assault Marines since they have been troops since 2007. I guess Unbound is the way to play...

Weren't they troops in 3rd already?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Weren't they troops in 3rd already?

No, the BA assault as troops thing began with the 4th edition white dwarf codex. Back in the slim 24 page codex days of 3rd edition, they had just as many assault marines as everyone else only in the fast attack slot. The difference was that BA could take jump pack command squads (honor guard) which other marines didn't get access to.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Weren't they troops in 3rd already?

Yeah, pretty sure they were as early as the 3rd edition mini lists that cane in the rulebook, though Death Co. have hopped around the force org a while.

Well, there are some good things.

1. Psychic Powers are strong and useful.

2. Mephiston seems very useable. IC and low point cost.

3. The Detachment is decent. Extra Elite slots will ease the burden of Elite Death Company and Sanguinary Guard and +1I on the charge is very useful coupled with Furious Charge. So, they basically get 5E Furious Charge.

 Bull0 wrote:
It seems especially misguided to put death company and death company dreads in elites given how overcrowded the elites section is already. Yeah, this is all fairly bad news.

You're assuming it's not an intentional ploy; now BA players can enjoy purchasing Dataslate: DC Formation To Let You Do What You Already Could and Dataslate: Assault As Troops But Worse, both only $10 apiece!

Edited by Manchu

Really confusing signals from GW. Instead of chapter tactics it seems we get Furious Charge, an assault focused rule, but then they go and remove Assault Squads from Troops. So you're left with a bunch of Tacticals with no use for their perk.

Warlord traits also look very blah. Psychic powers seem useful though.

Some of these changes seem great, IE Mephiston, gutting the feel of the BA army so they can sell new tactical boxes? Outrageous. I am not normally a GW basher, but that is blatant marketing, even bad for them!

You guys are panicking anyway, Im sure GW will grace you with a 50 dollar day one DLC that lets you play your army like you did last week too.

Is there any word of a supplement the week after the codex? If so, that's probably where the "good" rules would be.

Unless they do that rumored Shield of Ball: Exterminatus book, there is no supplement that is supposed to be coming.

Wait what? What just happened to my all-jumpers Blood Angels army?!

No teaser of SoB III in Deathstorm, like it had been back in Stormclaw

Thanks warboss I forgot

 Gorlack wrote:
Wait what? What just happened to my all-jumpers Blood Angels army?!

The same thing that just happened to my death company + dreads army. Kicked in the teeth and told to go home and buy tac marines.

A big can of Raid killed the Red Fleas.

Maybe I'm overreacting but I had saved about 500 dollars to start a BA army about a month ago then decided to wait until the new codex came out.

No Assault Marines as troops? My only reason to play BA was to make an all jump infantry army and it not be unbound....

That 500 will be going somewhere else now, and hey look PS4s are on sale.

mustardParty wrote:
Really confusing signals from GW. Instead of chapter tactics it seems we get Furious Charge, an assault focused rule, but then they go and remove Assault Squads from Troops. So you're left with a bunch of Tacticals with no use for their perk.

Warlord traits also look very blah. Psychic powers seem useful though.

this post is giving me deja vu. I don't know why.

You could do 60 "Assault Marine" Space Wolves with the Champs of Fenris supplement

I'll wait for final judgement. Points and lots of little things determine if the codex is poop. But it's not looking good so far if something wasn't missed.

Formations are very likely. The Dark Eldar one had especially good Alpha Strike and Victory Point formations so BA should be something along those lines. Four Elite slots works for me though. I had planned on making a very Elite army anyway so Scouts, Terminators and Assault Squads are still very possible with how this is set up. A shift from 'Deep Strike troops' thinking to a more Synergy based 'Troops with Locator Beacons guiding others in' makes it much more palatable.

With the formation giving out four Elite slots, you can load your army down with Vanguard Veterans and Death Company with a minimal contingent of MSU Tacticals in Razorbacks.

A lot of major changes by the looks of it. I've been playing Blood Angels since 3rd edition so I do already have some tactical squads already. However I was planning on buying some the new ones in order to get the flamer tactical squad and drop pod them in.

However I can see a lot of Blood Angel player not liking this although I am going to reserve my full judgement until I get a proper look at the codex to see what builds look good.

Thanks GW, you saved me spending any money on Blood Angels when I should be spending money on Christmas presents

Like many Blood Angels players, the loss of Assault Marines has me extremely butt-hurt, but I think there are some silver linings.

Army-wide Furious Charge, when combined with the +1 Initiative from the formation will make us absolute beasts in the initial round of close combat, Mephiston might not be as much of a monster as before, but he will certainly be a power armor murdering death machine when properly buffed, and now that he's an Independent Character, you can actually use him without all kinds of funny business.

I remain cautiously optimistic about this one, and expect that there will be a supplement coming, announced or not.

Doesn't Korvidae make RG AM troops? Might be a way to use allies to continue playing the way you like.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
With the formation giving out four Elite slots, you can load your army down with Vanguard Veterans and Death Company with a minimal contingent of MSU Tacticals in Razorbacks.

That's the detachment. We still don't know what the formation included in the book is.

So is Dante a LoW? sorry if i missed if it was previously answered.

My mistake. I meant Detachment. The point stands. That point of Initiative that we lost in 6th was what crippled so much of the army, and getting it back is pretty sweet.