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Wait... i just looked at the campaign book. Death company and DC dreads are clearly listed as troops. This dude is high.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Wait... i just looked at the campaign book. Death company and DC dreads are clearly listed as troops. This dude is high.

Yes they are in the formation, however on GW site they were switched to Elite.

**edit** by formation I mean the Deathstorm formation.

 BlackArmour wrote:

21stPrimarch wrote:
I know we cant do full points cost, but can anyone tell me if the Sanguinor dropped at all, and maybe compare him to something? Because dropping his invul to 4++ at his current price point made him worse, a feat i thought unachievable

same as stormraven is what the leak said

Thanks so much man, unless he gets stupid attacks and abilities he is probably still not worth it, but hell, at least he will be doable if you just wanna mess around

 Red Corsair wrote:
Where are you getting 4 flamers from?

Flamer
HF
Combi-flamer

...that's three, one more then salamanders... Whoopy! they get rerolls to wound with them which is actually relevant.

Two Hand Flamers
1 Flamer
1 Heavy Flamer

Now that Blood Angles Tactical Squads are now Better at Assaulting than Grey Hunters.

21stPrimarch wrote:

 BlackArmour wrote:

21stPrimarch wrote:
I know we cant do full points cost, but can anyone tell me if the Sanguinor dropped at all, and maybe compare him to something? Because dropping his invul to 4++ at his current price point made him worse, a feat i thought unachievable

same as stormraven is what the leak said

Thanks so much man, unless he gets stupid attacks and abilities he is probably still not worth it, but hell, at least he will be doable if you just wanna mess around

He also lost his buff to a character so, yea basically still not worth anything sadly.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Where are you getting 4 flamers from?

Flamer
HF
Combi-flamer

...that's three, one more then salamanders... Whoopy! they get rerolls to wound with them which is actually relevant.

My guess is Flamer, Heavy Flamer, and the Sergeant dual-wielding Hand Flamers.

 BlackArmour wrote:

21stPrimarch wrote:

 BlackArmour wrote:

21stPrimarch wrote:
I know we cant do full points cost, but can anyone tell me if the Sanguinor dropped at all, and maybe compare him to something? Because dropping his invul to 4++ at his current price point made him worse, a feat i thought unachievable

same as stormraven is what the leak said

Thanks so much man, unless he gets stupid attacks and abilities he is probably still not worth it, but hell, at least he will be doable if you just wanna mess around

He also lost his buff to a character so, yea basically still not worth anything sadly.

Meh, hopefully he will have the aura of fervor, it could get silly with a libby with the rage psychic spell and that and DC. 7 attacks on the charge lol. 2+2ccw+rage+psychic power+aura......bwahahahaha

 BlackArmour wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Wait... i just looked at the campaign book. Death company and DC dreads are clearly listed as troops. This dude is high.

Yes they are in the formation, however on GW site they were switched to Elite.

**edit** by formation I mean the Deathstorm formation.

Nope. Those are data sheets which mean that you can take them as your troops. But they have to be exactly the same.

Although it will suck using a dreadnought without a strength value.

Trying to look positively at the new Tactical set, I noticed this. This is new, apparently, in model terms, and surely a teleport homer on a Tactical Squad is a positive--let those Assault Jump Pack troops that everyone still has arrive safely? Or those Tactical Terminators that no-one wants? Okay, just trying to find a bright side, besides recycled DC and Sanguinary Guard bitz, in this new Tactical kit.

I just wish we still had the "Vanguard Veterans assault after Deep Strking" rule...that was my favorite.

 pantheralegionnaire wrote:
Trying to look positively at the new Tactical set, I noticed this. This is new, apparently, in model terms, and surely a teleport homer on a Tactical Squad is a positive--let those Assault Jump Pack troops that everyone still has arrive safely? Or those Tactical Terminators that no-one wants? Okay, just trying to find a bright side, besides recycled DC and Sanguinary Guard bitz, in this new Tactical kit.

I just wish we still had the "Vanguard Veterans assault after Deep Strking" rule...that was my favorite.

Unfortunately teleport homers dont work on jump troops, thouvh that would be a cool special rule for us.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Wait... i just looked at the campaign book. Death company and DC dreads are clearly listed as troops. This dude is high.

It wouldn't be the first time GW came out with something very soon before a new release that didn't jive with a new core ruleset or new codex just weeks or days from release. For example, I remember the Apocalypse Reloaded book coming out just a few weeks before 5E came out, with a formation that gave mechanized IG platoons "hold at all costs" allowing them to remain scoring to the last man, which became redundant when 5E made that a thing for all scoring units anyway.

Bummer, I was hoping I would switch my homebrew chapter to BA successors as I wanted to do tons of jumpers. I mean at least they didn't just nerf Assault squads into oblivion like they did to my Wyches, but it would be nice to have more troop options. I sort of had the unrealistic hope that the BA release would somehow make an assault SM army possible.

Maybe better news will come out, or I can just stick with Raven Guard successors.

WS5 S5 I5 fnp tacticals is cool. Vanilla marines get close then stop and keep rapid firing. Blood Angels charge! I like it. If this is true, jump DC for 23pts a model is insane!!! With I5 this time! That's OP my friends. I see nothing to complain about. My mate's unbound death company army is about to kick my ass over and over and over again.

Actually it doesn't even need to be unbound. 4 units of DC, Astorath and two minimum sized scout squads. This is what I'm expecting to see. And a stormraven.

 Kavish wrote:
WS5 S5 I5 fnp tacticals is cool. Vanilla marines get close then stop and keep rapid firing. Blood Angels charge! I like it. If this is true, jump DC for 23pts a model is insane!!! With I5 this time! That's OP my friends. I see nothing to complain about. My mate's unbound death company army is about to kick my ass over and over and over again.

Actually it doesn't even need to be unbound. 4 units of DC, Astorath and two minimum sized scout squads. This is what I'm expecting to see. And a stormraven.

I wouldn't say OP. They're still balanced out by needing to get to combat, but they WILL wreck anything they touch probably.

So on the Bright side of things, since I already run a large DC force and with the new Boxes I have even more , and I will run the datasheet versions as well as the formation giving me 4 slots of DC and DC dreads + the troops versions and I already own every HQ and independent Character , also I have a ton of Priests and I no longer need as many, plus I like my own model for them better than the new one . I wont have to buy new stuff

I literally just changed my Christmas list to a new air compressor, kind of a win win for me. GW thought they had me! but with no new toys for me to buy that interest me well.....sucks for them lol. I'm not even trying to be an I just actually find it funny this release will actually force me to not buy new stuff lol.

I can't wait to see Salamander players using BA dex though.

 Kavish wrote:
WS5 S5 I5 fnp tacticals is cool. Vanilla marines get close then stop and keep rapid firing. Blood Angels charge! I like it. If this is true, jump DC for 23pts a model is insane!!! With I5 this time! That's OP my friends. I see nothing to complain about. My mate's unbound death company army is about to kick my ass over and over and over again.

Actually it doesn't even need to be unbound. 4 units of DC, Astorath and two minimum sized scout squads. This is what I'm expecting to see. And a stormraven.

Yea people seem to be hung up on the assault marines being moved out of troops to notice all the points drops going around. I like the changes. Granted I only have a few squads of assault marines, but you can still use them in the FA slots.

I look forward to trying out some new stuff.

+1I on the charge means BA will wreck any other MEQ army they get the charge on (yes, even GK as long as they're not Purifiers).

hmmmm, does the Deathstorm DC and DC dread add to your troops total or no?

Two Advent Calendar BA days coming up. I'm betting that at least one will be a formation allowing for more HQ, FA, or HS choices to pair up with the extra elites in the Codex Formation.

The cheaper DC, if they can still be brought in giant squads, could be huge when you buff them with a cheaper libby w/ the relic JP and either Astorath or Dante, or both.

Just like any of the codices, there'll be a lot of flavor to choose from, it just won't be like the old bc....well, they sell models and if you could just use what you already had from the previous book, what's the point from their side of things.

Don't have a problem with most of the updates actually; sort of made sense to move the predator to HS given the the other Predator's residence there in addition to ASM's becoming FA's now.

Don't mind the tacticals being the only worthwhile troop choice for BA now, given that if they end up assaulting for whatever reason, they won't go down like bitches. They're still not amazing, but the trade off is OK, at least for me.

All in all, I'm digging the release, and I'm excited to see my guys on the board.

gory_v wrote:
Two Advent Calendar BA days coming up. I'm betting that at least one will be a formation allowing for more HQ, FA, or HS choices to pair up with the extra elites in the Codex Formation.

The cheaper DC, if they can still be brought in giant squads, could be huge when you buff them with a cheaper libby w/ the relic JP and either Astorath or Dante, or both.

Just like any of the codices, there'll be a lot of flavor to choose from, it just won't be like the old bc....well, they sell models and if you could just use what you already had from the previous book, what's the point from their side of things.

except this release kind of does do that. DC seem to be ( from what we know so far) a big bright spot. which a lot of players either have or can now get on ebay for cheap OR paint their now extra Jump marines black.

I imagine a lot of players have dante , who looks to be an auto include. Dreads are now super cheap on ebay thanks to the box set AND because they are all crammed into the elite slot you need less of them. I also imagine most players have tacticals laying around or even if they don't they are cheap as anything on ebay.

we don't get access to any new toys like the Talon and the new priest is an HQ so you won't need many of those and most players have some sort of priest model laying around AND have now more than they need or can use.

Yup. I actually own no BA or unused assault marines. I now have 5000 points and an illegal army.

Maybe I've missed it but can Assault Marines still buy cheap transports? I'm not fussed about Assault Marines being moved to fast attack, however if I can't take cheap Razorbacks I've got a whole lot of spending to do to make my army work.

The things I'm happy about though

Larger Sanguinary Guard squads, this should have been done ages ago.

Is it possible the priest will be like a techmarine and not take up a HQ slot?

Any news on Dante's cheese mask still cursing an enemy character?

 BlackArmour wrote:
hmmmm, does the Deathstorm DC and DC dread add to your troops total or no?

Yes, they are troops but you can only take each one once.

I magnitized all my jump Pack years ago lol. So my assaults just became tacticals I also installed a magnet on there legs for just this. Now instead of melta guns they get flammers. and some of the drop pods I got just went from lt blue to red.

NamelessBard wrote:

 BlackArmour wrote:
hmmmm, does the Deathstorm DC and DC dread add to your troops total or no?

Yes, they are troops but you can only take each one once.

And that DC Squad is loaded up with two I1 weapons (a Power Fist and a Thunder Hammer) and a Power Sword. A lot of points on the board there.

trueeee, but if the DC and DC dread give me my two troops then I can run a ridiculous DC themed army still, while still being battle forged.

Silly question, and I may have missed it, but do LR's still have deepstrike?