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Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm sorry, but we're being honest, the only reason people took Assault Squads as Troops under the Wardian steaming turd of codex was because:
a) Ward stupidly gave Assaults the ability to take Meltas/Plasmas, because... "reasons"
b) Ward allowed the removal of Jump Packs to mean you got a 40+pts discount on any Dedicated Transport.

Well, I'm not going to claim anything about "the only reason." People do things for lots of reasons. Personal expression is a large part of this hobby, at least for those of us that give a gak about our miniatures.

But I will say this -- if a new killer army build emerges from the new codex, many hard feelings will suddenly be smoothed over and ideas about what's fluffy and appropriate for BA will undergo an instant, magical shift.

Thus has it always been for Warhammer 40,000, and thus shall it ever be.


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 reds8n wrote:
A necron novella eh ?

Adds further credence to the idea of them getting a new codex then yes ?

Seems likely that at least one of the existing special characters will be in that too.

Yeah, it certainly seems like Exterminatus will also build a bridge to Necrons.

.. Free CoD tactical objectives too eh ?

... Cards that one can cut out and use ?

Wait, what? I must have missed that. They mentioned CoD tac objective cards in Leviathan...I was wondering if they were going to be released at some point. Edit: Found it. That seems like a lot of cards to cut out, but the idea of inserts in WD that you cut out and use certainly makes me nostalgic.

 gorgon wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm sorry, but we're being honest, the only reason people took Assault Squads as Troops under the Wardian steaming turd of codex was because:
a) Ward stupidly gave Assaults the ability to take Meltas/Plasmas, because... "reasons"
b) Ward allowed the removal of Jump Packs to mean you got a 40+pts discount on any Dedicated Transport.

Well, I'm not going to claim anything about "the only reason." People do things for lots of reasons. Personal expression is a large part of this hobby, at least for those of us that give a gak about our miniatures.

But I will say this -- if a new killer army build emerges from the new codex, many hard feelings will suddenly be smoothed over and ideas about what's fluffy and appropriate for BA will undergo an instant, magical shift.

Thus has it always been for Warhammer 40,000, and thus shall it ever be.

PREACH IT, BROTHA! FOR YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH!

In terms of ASM changes, my money is on a supplement that is 1HQ 2 FA compulsory then opens a total 6FA slots up (like CoF did with Elites).

Overall it's not terrible, but what really irks me is that there's nothing new here. Look at all the stuff that the C:SM and SW books introduced. They couldn't fit one new unit in there? It's all just FOC shuffles and point changes.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Where are you getting 4 flamers from?

Flamer
HF
Combi-flamer

...that's three, one more then salamanders... Whoopy! they get rerolls to wound with them which is actually relevant.

Two Hand Flamers
1 Flamer
1 Heavy Flamer

Now that Blood Angles Tactical Squads are now Better at Assaulting than Grey Hunters.

OK so this whole thing hinges on betting sarge gets to dual wield... My guess is its like most new books and says swap your bolt pistol for X. In other words he will be able to take one. Still slightly better then a combi flamer IMO.

 More Dakka wrote:
In terms of ASM changes, my money is on a supplement that is 1HQ 2 FA compulsory then opens a total 6FA slots up (like CoF did with Elites).

Overall it's not terrible, but what really irks me is that there's nothing new here. Look at all the stuff that the C:SM and SW books introduced. They couldn't fit one new unit in there? It's all just FOC shuffles and point changes.

I think the one bright spot there is that recent history (like with Tyranids) has shown that GW is no longer allergic to releasing new miniatures outside of the normal release cycle.

 More Dakka wrote:
In terms of ASM changes, my money is on a supplement that is 1HQ 2 FA compulsory then opens a total 6FA slots up (like CoF did with Elites).

Overall it's not terrible, but what really irks me is that there's nothing new here. Look at all the stuff that the C:SM and SW books introduced. They couldn't fit one new unit in there? It's all just FOC shuffles and point changes.

You really wanted a sleigh for Christmas ??

A flyer might have been interesting and in theme as long as its better than the other recent Astartes flyers (although I liked and bought the Wolf one)

 More Dakka wrote:
In terms of ASM changes, my money is on a supplement that is 1HQ 2 FA compulsory then opens a total 6FA slots up (like CoF did with Elites).

Overall it's not terrible, but what really irks me is that there's nothing new here. Look at all the stuff that the C:SM and SW books introduced. They couldn't fit one new unit in there? It's all just FOC shuffles and point changes.

Yeah, I fully expect some sort of "all drop" supplement that restores the functionality we had in a $30 codex for only two purchases with a combined price of $95.

Whoo whoo!! My Blood Angel Codex arrive!!! Look good and I had been have a quick look at unit, no new unit... Bah.

The supplement is about the Archangels - the first company - so I'd expect it to be more about Terminator squads and Sanguinary Guard and such.

Yeah the blurb about the newest Shield of Baal book says there is stuff for the necron dynasty so it looks like we will bridge to them next.

With blood angels getting a new terminator kit and stuff for the Blood Angels first company in the new Shield of Baal it seems like the new BA identity is terminators.

Did anyone order their Shield of Baal Boxed Set from TheWarStore and get it yet? I'm still waiting on my copy... Grrr!

 Redemption wrote:
The supplement is about the Archangels - the first company - so I'd expect it to be more about Terminator squads and Sanguinary Guard and such.

Thanks, didn't know and must have missed that. In any case, I still expect them to add back what they took away for an additional purchase, if not a supplement then a dataslate.

 theharrower wrote:
Did anyone order their Shield of Baal Boxed Set from TheWarStore and get it yet? I'm still waiting on my copy... Grrr!

Really?! I just got my deathstorm, blood angel codex and blood angel Datacard right in my hand...
Order from GW is quicker

 theharrower wrote:
Did anyone order their Shield of Baal Boxed Set from TheWarStore and get it yet? I'm still waiting on my copy... Grrr!

They're backed up a bit from their Black Friday sale, and what's more they had this specifically about GW:

GAMES WORKSHOP Orders
If your order contains any Games Workshop items, it is delayed due to large volume related shipping delays at GW's Memphis Facility. My distributor says that the Games Workshop order will arrive on Tuesday Dec 9. This includes Deathstorm orders. Please rest assured as soon as it arrives we will be moving it out as quicky as possible - most orders will go out the same day.

Source

Solidcrash wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Did anyone order their Shield of Baal Boxed Set from TheWarStore and get it yet? I'm still waiting on my copy... Grrr!

Really?! I just got my deathstorm, blood angel codex and blood angel Datacard right in my hand...
Order from GW is quicker

Any word on what happened with Command Squads and whether Sanguinary Priests take up HQ slots?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Did anyone order their Shield of Baal Boxed Set from TheWarStore and get it yet? I'm still waiting on my copy... Grrr!

They're backed up a bit from their Black Friday sale, and what's more they had this specifically about GW:

GAMES WORKSHOP Orders
If your order contains any Games Workshop items, it is delayed due to large volume related shipping delays at GW's Memphis Facility. My distributor says that the Games Workshop order will arrive on Tuesday Dec 9. This includes Deathstorm orders. Please rest assured as soon as it arrives we will be moving it out as quicky as possible - most orders will go out the same day.

Source

That sucks. Oh well. Thanks man. Appreciate it.

Right, are they just HQs or is it an Ork Mek situation?

Can we confirm that the Sanguinor is still the same stats, aka still only AP3???

 theharrower wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Did anyone order their Shield of Baal Boxed Set from TheWarStore and get it yet? I'm still waiting on my copy... Grrr!

They're backed up a bit from their Black Friday sale, and what's more they had this specifically about GW:

GAMES WORKSHOP Orders
If your order contains any Games Workshop items, it is delayed due to large volume related shipping delays at GW's Memphis Facility. My distributor says that the Games Workshop order will arrive on Tuesday Dec 9. This includes Deathstorm orders. Please rest assured as soon as it arrives we will be moving it out as quicky as possible - most orders will go out the same day.

Source

That sucks. Oh well. Thanks man. Appreciate it.

Honestly, all that means is your order will likely go out today or tomorrow.

Most of the time, distributor shipments show up on Wednesday or Thursday of the week of release(so last Wednesday or Thursday for Deathstorm).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Army Styles not changing - have you seen the new Dark Eldar Codex and the massive changes it has made to the play style and army lists?

Not even slightly the same. The Dark Eldar Codex lost special characters that never had models anyway and the FOC changes those special characters brought about went with them. They didn't take Warriors or Wyches and put them in a completely different slot, invalidating the very structure of the army.

Isn't that slightly disingenuous? Yes, there is a technical distinction between removing an unlock/character that allows certain units to be taken as troops, and changing a unit from one slot to another, but the entire basis of the objection to taking Assault Marines out of the troops slot is that it invalidates a style of play and makes a mockery of the money a lot of people spent on armies that fit that style of play; either of the two scenarios has that same outcome. If the next C:SM removed the Bikes-as-troops unlock from the Chapter Master/Captain/Khan, would you tell White Scars players that no longer being able to run all six of the Bike squads they bought and paid for as troops isn't as valid a reason to be upset as Blood Angels players losing AM troops?

Either giving players the option to build an army a certain way and then removing that option at a later time once they've spent the money to do so is bad, or it's not. Exactly how GW choose to give and then take away the options doesn't have any bearing IMO.

 theharrower wrote:
Did anyone order their Shield of Baal Boxed Set from TheWarStore and get it yet? I'm still waiting on my copy... Grrr!

I ordered mine from Frontline Gaming. Tracking says it will arrive on Saturday at my office where I had them ship it....unfortunately, no one is here at the office on the weekends to receive mail...so I wont see mine until next Monday :(

New book looks very interesting, lots of builds in there, way more so than the old book.

I wonder how many of the people raging have Ward hate posts from a year and a half ago in their post history.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Did anyone order their Shield of Baal Boxed Set from TheWarStore and get it yet? I'm still waiting on my copy... Grrr!

Really?! I just got my deathstorm, blood angel codex and blood angel Datacard right in my hand...
Order from GW is quicker

Any word on what happened with Command Squads and whether Sanguinary Priests take up HQ slots?

Sanguinary priest are HQ.. Double side chainsword called narthecium look good! Can take melee, ranged weapon special issue wargear and relics of Baal list.

There are command squad with lot of stuff going on this unit. Too bad company champion must always issue and accept a challenge when possible.. Heh.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:Can we confirm that the Sanguinor is still the same stats, aka still only AP3???

Ws 8, bs&S 5, T4, W3, I6, A4, ld 10 and sv 2+... And his sword are still AP of 3.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Can we confirm that the Sanguinor is still the same stats, aka still only AP3???

Last I heard;

Still AP3
Dropped to a 4+ invul save
No sergeant buff power
Dropped to 200ish points.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Army Styles not changing - have you seen the new Dark Eldar Codex and the massive changes it has made to the play style and army lists?

Not even slightly the same. The Dark Eldar Codex lost special characters that never had models anyway and the FOC changes those special characters brought about went with them. They didn't take Warriors or Wyches and put them in a completely different slot, invalidating the very structure of the army.

Isn't that slightly disingenuous? Yes, there is a technical distinction between removing an unlock/character that allows certain units to be taken as troops, and changing a unit from one slot to another, but the entire basis of the objection to taking Assault Marines out of the troops slot is that it invalidates a style of play and makes a mockery of the money a lot of people spent on armies that fit that style of play; either of the two scenarios has that same outcome. If the next C:SM removed the Bikes-as-troops unlock from the Chapter Master/Captain/Khan, would you tell White Scars players that no longer being able to run all six of the Bike squads they bought and paid for as troops isn't as valid a reason to be upset as Blood Angels players losing AM troops?

Either giving players the option to build an army a certain way and then removing that option at a later time once they've spent the money to do so is bad, or it's not. Exactly how GW choose to give and then take away the options doesn't have any bearing IMO.

As a White Scar enthusiast I sadly feel that this will happen when we get our next codex

Some days I wonder is buying 10 bikes in one go was a good choice

Ha! I could kill him with my terminator lord. statistically.

I wonder if the Felsh Tearers are goping to atone for previous actions and not slaughter the Sisters they are supposed to be aiding or fall further into damnation?

re Sanguinor - are not most SC;s relic swords AP3

 Las wrote:
New book looks very interesting, lots of builds in there, way more so than the old book.

I wonder how many of the people raging have Ward hate posts from a year and a half ago in their post history.

ok while I like some of the changes and despise others and I do see some good builds so far at least on paper (however I need play testing to find out). The book doesn't however stand out as a multi-build book at all to me.

Dante Looks to be an Auto include, also Priest look to be as well. DC and DC dread look good, however all this starts to prove is we have a very few sections that are overloaded as all get out. Elites is stuffed to the Brim, HQ is stuffed, HS is stuffed.

Some good Builds on paper (so far from all we know) however I don't know that the multi-builds is sticking out to me. However that seems to be the pretty standard affair after going through the blander.

Through all this though and as frustrated as I am by all this, I will say codexs going through a blanding does appear to be GW trying to rope in some of these codexs and it is stopping codex creep for the most part.

lol also I hope Necrons are next since that's my brothers army. Can't wait to see what they lose and watch my brother go nuts.

Does anyone know if our assault marines lost the use of special weapons?

Also if we wanted to play with lots of tactical marines then we would of played codex space marines as they do it better, and have shinier toys.

Thanks,

For those crying Doom about the assault marines - there will be a detachment, formation or both incoming within weeks. Sure it could have been in the codex, but welcome to GW DLC. This is not the end of your army, even if you don't accept unbound.

And to all Space Marines players out there, accept in your hearts now that FoC swapping is dead and there'll be no troops bikes in the next codex, it'll save you a blood vessel or 2 closer to the time.