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**Red Corsair**

People put way too much complaining into the ap 3 thing when it comes to these special characters. It funny because terminators suck so incredibly much yet these guys all play full forces of them and apparently need a guy with a sword to handle them

I am teasing but seriously its not a big issue, these sword characters are meant for shredding MEQ infantry anyway, even with an ap2 sword a power fist/SS chapter master would still cream the sanguinor 9 times in 10.

**DaddyWarcrimes**

Don't forget that the GW Advent calendar shows that there will be a Blood Angel dataslate released on Saturday the 13th, the same day the codex officially goes on sale.

**Las**

BlackArmour wrote:
Las wrote:
New book looks very interesting, lots of builds in there, way more so than the old book.

I wonder how many of the people raging have Ward hate posts from a year and a half ago in their post history.

ok while I like some of the changes and despise others and I do see some good builds so far at least on paper (however I need play testing to find out). The book doesn't however stand out as a multi-build book at all to me.

Dante Looks to be an Auto include, also Priest look to be as well. DC and DC dread look good, however all this starts to prove is we have a very few sections that are overloaded as all get out. Elites is stuffed to the Brim, HQ is stuffed, HS is stuffed.

Some good Builds on paper (so far from all we know) however I don't know that the multi-builds is sticking out to me. However that seems to be the pretty standard affair after going through the blander.

Through all this though and as frustrated as I am by all this, I will say codexs going through a blanding does appear to be GW trying to rope in some of these codexs and it is stopping codex creep for the most part.

lol also I hope Necrons are next since that's my brothers army. Can't wait to see what they lose and watch my brother go nuts.

The thing with "auto include" units is that they aren't necessarily the best option but the easiest option to play. This is not to say the unit is necessarily op or bad, but that people often over look builds because are more challenging to play but if used correctly by a good player, can be brutal on the table.

**Wayniac**

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Don't forget that the GW Advent calendar shows that there will be a Blood Angel dataslate released on Saturday the 13th, the same day the codex officially goes on sale.

Day 1 DLC. Nothing new there.

**Redemption**

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Don't forget that the GW Advent calendar shows that there will be a Blood Angel dataslate released on Saturday the 13th, the same day the codex officially goes on sale.

It's just the datacards, but digital.

**MoonlightSonata**

So were the 'Unexpected Allies' Necrons in the end?

**th3maninblak**

Solidcrash wrote:
Whoo whoo!! My Blood Angel Codex arrive!!! Look good and I had been have a quick look at unit, no new unit... Bah.

So if you have it, i have a few questions.

Are ASMs indeed gone as troops?

Can they still take melta guns?

Do sanguinary priests take up an HQ slot?

**Mr Morden**

MoonlightSonata wrote:
So were the 'Unexpected Allies' Necrons in the end?

Looks like it - so I guess they were trying to Ironic

- although I guess it could refer to Eldar reinforcements or even the Fleshtearers and Sororitas fighting together

**H.B.M.C.**

Crimson wrote:
They can either play unbound or get that single box of tacticals they claim they do not have. No big deal.

Really? "Play unbound" is your solution?

**Crimson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Crimson wrote:
They can either play unbound or get that single box of tacticals they claim they do not have. No big deal.

Really? "Play unbound" is your solution?

Actually use the rules of the game! Shocking suggestion, I know!

The problem is caused by the house rule of not allowing unbound, not by GW. And as long as you're house-ruling, you might as well house rule the assault marines into troops anyway.

**Kangodo**

No, the problem is caused by GW trying to push their Tactical-sales by removing any other option from the Troop-slot.
And by changing a FOC-slot that has been considered as 'THE' Blood Angel-thing.

**Las**

Kangodo wrote:
No, the problem is caused by GW trying to push their Tactical-sales by removing any other option from the Troop-slot.
And by changing a FOC-slot that has been considered as 'THE' Blood Angel-thing.

And the only reason it was their thing to begin with (for ONE book I might add) was because of a much maligned codex author with a propensity for writing poor fluff and mono build codeces. This is a fix imo.

**Tannhauser42**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Crimson wrote:
They can either play unbound or get that single box of tacticals they claim they do not have. No big deal.

Really? "Play unbound" is your solution?

Unfortunately, that IS GW's solution. It's why we don't have all the force org changing characters in these new books anymore. :(

**troa**

Ultimately you can play with an old edition with a group that will allow it (which precludes you from tournaments), stop playing, or sit down with the codex and figure out how to adapt to the new codex. The choice is every player's. I will sit down and adapt, I never ran a full assault army anyway.

Whining about it does not move people forward. I understand there is frustration, and I understand why. That frustration does not change what comes with this codex, however. Nor does it change the need for people to take long views on something like this, as it's not a ruleset that stays permanently the same.

**Fayric**

Mr Morden wrote:
MoonlightSonata wrote:
So were the 'Unexpected Allies' Necrons in the end?

Looks like it - so I guess they were trying to Ironic - although I guess it could refer to Eldar reinforcements or even the Fleshtearers and Sororitas fighting together

I was thinking unexpected journey-unexpected allies-hobbit-new hobbit models. And the new laketown models to finaly join the battle of five armies as unexpected allies make this look plausible.

**DaddyWarcrimes**

Las wrote:
Kangodo wrote:
No, the problem is caused by GW trying to push their Tactical-sales by removing any other option from the Troop-slot.
And by changing a FOC-slot that has been considered as 'THE' Blood Angel-thing.

And the only reason it was their thing to begin with (for ONE book I might add) was because of a much maligned codex author with a propensity for writing poor fluff and mono build codeces. This is a fix imo.

I'd dispute that Ward made Mono-build codexes. Compared to Phil Kelly, he was a genius when it came to internally balanced books. Compare all the different things you could do with the BA and GK books versus things like CSM, the 5e Space Wolves, or the Eldar and Dark Eldar that Kelly did.

For all the goofy things Ward put into 40k, he erred on the side of things being too good or too cheap rather than overpriced or terrible.

**Desubot**

Eldar Banshees? DE Mandrakes?

On a note of ward.

I find it interesting they are kinda removing all the OOT that people kinda complained about in the past.

Now we are complaining about bland ness

**Mr Morden**

Eevn in the Ward Codex:

There are mostly Tac Marine son the cover (which is not a very good pic tbh) - the only Assault marines are in the far background

Whilst Assault Marines are incredably common in a Blood Angel's strike force, this should not be taken to indicate that Assault Squads are any more prevalent here than in other Chapters

**Valhallan42nd**

Assault is considered sub optimal these days, IIRC.

Why are people getting upset about Blood Angel players wanting to keep their DoA builds? For once, it seems people are arguing to keep a nerf.

I realize "BUT BACKGROUND." Counterpoint: the background on the Flesh Tearers is that they're deranged killing machines that want nothing less than to drink the blood of their foes, allies, random bystanders, et al, and -being a depleted and doomed chapter- each marine fills whatever role is needed/desired. It seems perfectly fine and consistent with the established background to have them all be assault.

Let my red/black marines descend into howling madness how I choose.

**Solidcrash**

th3maninblak wrote:
Solidcrash wrote:
Whoo whoo!! My Blood Angel Codex arrive!!! Look good and I had been have a quick look at unit, no new unit... Bah.

So if you have it, i have a few questions.

Are ASMs indeed gone as troops?

Can they still take melta guns?

Do sanguinary priests take up an HQ slot?

Assult squad are use up the fast slot.
And yes they still can take Melta gun. Only two of them. ( speed read might missed some)

Sanguinary priests are HQ.

**Las**

You can still do that, just not as troops. Why can't I use my homebrew chapters ASM as troops? It's in my fluff and they're just as codex adherent as BA.

And you can still use those models btw, up to 60/70 of them in a forged list. Relax.

**Fayric**

Las wrote:
Kangodo wrote:
No, the problem is caused by GW trying to push their Tactical-sales by removing any other option from the Troop-slot.
And by changing a FOC-slot that has been considered as 'THE' Blood Angel-thing.

And the only reason it was their thing to begin with (for ONE book I might add) was because of a much maligned codex author with a propensity for writing poor fluff and mono build codeces. This is a fix imo.

Dont know about "only reason".
Obviously the player base, me included, really liked that kind of army. As many other players, one of the main reasons I chose to play BA was the ability to drop tacticals and focus on jumpies. My first MEQ army was SW, and BA gave me a good reason to get a new uniqe play style and do something different. Right now Im thinking I will probably go unbound for my BA and focus on DC + Mephiston.

By the way, anyone know if you can have more than one DC-squad in a BF detachment?

**Colpicklejar**

Are drop pods/rhinos/etc. in fast attack?

**PastelAvenger**

No one has touched this yet but can Assault Marines take discounted transports? This is all I really care about to be honest. In fact they don't have to discounted I just have a lot of Assault Marines without jump packs.....I know I should have magnetised them.

**Melcavuk**

MoonlightSonata wrote:
So were the 'Unexpected Allies' Necrons in the end?

Looks it, given that there will be rules for the Mephrit Dynasty aswell as warlord traits for them in the next Shield of Baal book

**niv-mizzet**

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Contact-Us

Sent in an email letting them know I won't be buying any GW product while the oversight about BA assault marines not being troops exists. Suggested that they could simply errata them to recover me as a customer.

If you are also one of the ones affected, or you just want to chime in because you might be affected by something similar (such as bikes not being troops for white scars, or necron immortals jumping out of troops section, etc,) then here's the only place I found to go to to send them some feedback.

**th3maninblak**

Solidcrash wrote:
th3maninblak wrote:
Solidcrash wrote:
Whoo whoo!! My Blood Angel Codex arrive!!! Look good and I had been have a quick look at unit, no new unit... Bah.

So if you have it, i have a few questions.

Are ASMs indeed gone as troops?

Can they still take melta guns?

Do sanguinary priests take up an HQ slot?

Assult squad are use up the fast slot.
And yes they still can take Melta gun. Only two of them. ( speed read might missed some)

Sanguinary priests are HQ.

So despite not being troops, our assault marines are still randomly better because they can take any special weapon, and cool pistols.

So a 10 man squad with double melta gun seems pretty hot as a tank hunting squad, particularly since baal preds arent in fast attack anymore.

**Fayric**

niv-mizzet wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Contact-Us

Sent in an email letting them know I won't be buying any GW product while the oversight about BA assault marines not being troops exists. Suggested that they could simply errata them to recover me as a customer.

If you are also one of the ones affected, or you just want to chime in because you might be affected by something similar (such as bikes not being troops for white scars, or necron immortals jumping out of troops section, etc,) then here's the only place I found to go to to send them some feedback.

You could do like Red_Thirst and grupily stop playing BA for 7 years and then suddenly come back to tell people to "get over" the new codex changes

**PastelAvenger**

th3maninblak wrote:
Solidcrash wrote:
th3maninblak wrote:
Solidcrash wrote:
Whoo whoo!! My Blood Angel Codex arrive!!! Look good and I had been have a quick look at unit, no new unit... Bah.

So if you have it, i have a few questions.

Are ASMs indeed gone as troops?

Can they still take melta guns?

Do sanguinary priests take up an HQ slot?

Assult squad are use up the fast slot.
And yes they still can take Melta gun. Only two of them. ( speed read might missed some)

Sanguinary priests are HQ.

So despite not being troops, our assault marines are still randomly better because they can take any special weapon, and cool pistols.

So a 10 man squad with double melta gun seems pretty hot as a tank hunting squad, particularly since baal preds arent in fast attack anymore.

My thoughts exactly

**Solidcrash**

PastelAvenger wrote:
No one has touched this yet but can Assault Marines take discounted transports? This is all I really care about to be honest. In fact they don't have to discounted I just have a lot of Assault Marines without jump packs.....I know I should have magnetised them.

Yes they can remove jump pack and replace it with transportation for discount or not. ( I haven't done a math yet.)

I saw there are transport unit but haven't look at if they are also use up fast slot or not? Will have a look at later.