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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

Deschenus Maximus wrote:

Ahem... Blood Angels would Deep Strike their Land Raiders straight into battle using T-hawk transporters - an incredibly dangerous (if not suicidal) manoeuvre. So I don't think your argument is valid.

Speaking of which, can Blood Angels still deep strike their Landraiders ?

Nope. Sucks too because that was a fluffy and awesome thing that they used to do.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic, was it really? Or was it just a Wardzinga?

 valkyriePROfail wrote:

 warboss wrote:
What is the "servomadura" on the second entry? The rest looks like it should be for a chaplain but at least in english that sounds like something a techmarine would get.

Servoarmadura is power armor

Thanks for the clarification.

Lowb wrote:


Can't tell if you're being sarcastic, was it really? Or was it just a Wardzinga?

Yep. They got Dropped from ThunderEagles or whatever those were called...they scattered full amount though. That stank. This was true in 5th ed.

Lowb wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

Deschenus Maximus wrote:

Ahem... Blood Angels would Deep Strike their Land Raiders straight into battle using T-hawk transporters - an incredibly dangerous (if not suicidal) manoeuvre. So I don't think your argument is valid.

Speaking of which, can Blood Angels still deep strike their Landraiders ?

Nope. Sucks too because that was a fluffy and awesome thing that they used to do.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic, was it really? Or was it just a Wardzinga?

I thought the ability to DS was awesome. I would never do it, but having it as an option was pretty cool.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

Deschenus Maximus wrote:

Ahem... Blood Angels would Deep Strike their Land Raiders straight into battle using T-hawk transporters - an incredibly dangerous (if not suicidal) manoeuvre. So I don't think your argument is valid.

Speaking of which, can Blood Angels still deep strike their Landraiders ?

Nope. Sucks too because that was a fluffy and awesome thing that they used to do.

except for the fact that the Blood Angels only had 3 Thunderhawk Transporters across their entire chapter

There's only one Mephiston, and yet there was no shortage of him on 40k battlefields.

As a collector who quit playing a long time ago, I look forward to all the shiney new bitz to play with. At least something positive out of all this.

 gorgon wrote:
There's only one Mephiston, and yet there was no shortage of him on 40k battlefields.

Dude travels. A LOT. Asorath does too.

Every Landraider dropping Thunderhawk has at least 4 emergency Mephistons equipped for rapid battlefield deployment.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I thought the ability to DS was awesome. I would never do it, but having it as an option was pretty cool.

I would, especially with the IA4-SE upgrade for 20 points that removes the scatter.

As ridiculous as the idea of DS Landraiders is, I've always loved the idea of giving no fracks and just shoving a tank full of angry spesss vampires out of the back of a plane.

 plastictrees wrote:
Every Landraider dropping Thunderhawk has at least 4 emergency Mephistons equipped for rapid battlefield deployment.

Bahahaha. Exalted.

 gorgon wrote:
There's only one Mephiston, and yet there was no shortage of him on 40k battlefields.

Actually there was, you could only field one in a game. It was possible however to DS 4-5 land raider in a single game, even when their chapter only had 3 THT... Yea that is a pretty big difference.

 plastictrees wrote:
Every Landraider dropping Thunderhawk has at least 4 emergency Mephistons equipped for rapid battlefield deployment.

I always imagined the Mephistons to be mounted on and fired off the missile rails under the wings.

I think since we now have a Tactics thread here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/626355.page

And a guy with the codex in hand answering all questions here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/626498.page

And with the codex only being two days away, this thread has served it's purpose. Thank you all, and good night

 Red Corsair wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
There's only one Mephiston, and yet there was no shortage of him on 40k battlefields.

Actually there was, you could only field one in a game. It was possible however to DS 4-5 land raider in a single game, even when their chapter only had 3 THT... Yea that is a pretty big difference.

It's alright man, I've seen 60 ASM from the second company on the table top before....
















Too soon?

Eldercaveman wrote:
I think since we now have a Tactics thread here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/626355.page

And a guy with the codex in hand answering all questions here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/626498.page

And with the codex only being two days away, this thread has served it's purpose. Thank you all, and good night

Well personally I've kept coming back (and sifting through the huge amount of really tedious complaining) in the hopes of seeing some more pics of the new Terminators and Librarian, but I guess at this point we should see them tomorrow, so...

Blood Angel Dice... That's all I want for Christmas at this point, I missed the Dakka Dice due to Paypal being a pain in the arse, and I always miss limited dice runs...

It's been a really good thread, enjoy it, and I can't wait for the Codex to be at my front door! Still plugging away at my Terminators.

Noticed in the Blood angel codex thread they were talking about no mention of the Lamenters successor chapter at all in the codex, and they seem to be replaced by another chapter..

could this be an indication that a Lanenters Supplement is inbound?

in the past do they leave supplement chapters out of the parent books?

I m still shaking my head over the whole "My Old Army Is Illegal" thing.

My old CAD is:
Captain with Jump-Pack
Honor Guard with Jump Pack
Sternguard
2x Assault Squads
3x Land Speeders
Stormraven.

Now it will be an Unbound List with the exact same Models:
Captain with Jump-Pack
Command Squad with Jump Pack [Used to be my Honor Guard]
Sternguard
2x Assault Squads
3x Land Speeders
Stormraven.

How is my List Illegal?

 Anpu42 wrote:
I m still shaking my head over the whole "My Old Army Is Illegal" thing.

My old CAD is:
Captain with Jump-Pack
Honor Guard with Jump Pack
Sternguard
2x Assault Squads
3x Land Speeders
Stormraven.

Now it will be an Unbound List with the exact same Models:
Captain with Jump-Pack
Command Squad with Jump Pack [Used to be my Honor Guard]
Sternguard
2x Assault Squads
3x Land Speeders
Stormraven.

How is my List Illegal?

I choose not to play against unbound lists and so do plenty of other gamers I know. Most tournies I see posted about here (both local and national) in the US don't allow unbound. GW themselves don't allow unbound in their warhammer world events. That is how your list is functionally illegal.

I do not recall seeing this, a nice video previewing the new Priest and Tactical Squad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkn4Lrey3KE

 Anpu42 wrote:
I m still shaking my head over the whole "My Old Army Is Illegal" thing.

My old CAD is:
Captain with Jump-Pack
Honor Guard with Jump Pack
Sternguard
2x Assault Squads
3x Land Speeders
Stormraven.

Now it will be an Unbound List with the exact same Models:
Captain with Jump-Pack
Command Squad with Jump Pack [Used to be my Honor Guard]
Sternguard
2x Assault Squads
3x Land Speeders
Stormraven.

How is my List Illegal?

Can't say I agree at all. Regulating your list to Unbound is basically saying "I don't plan to play 40k except against my best friend." Unbound is simply not a legitimate solution to the problems as it's barely accepted. You'll prob find more Planetstrike games than unbound :p

Weird double post...

 Kirasu wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
I m still shaking my head over the whole "My Old Army Is Illegal" thing.

My old CAD is:
Captain with Jump-Pack
Honor Guard with Jump Pack
Sternguard
2x Assault Squads
3x Land Speeders
Stormraven.

Now it will be an Unbound List with the exact same Models:
Captain with Jump-Pack
Command Squad with Jump Pack [Used to be my Honor Guard]
Sternguard
2x Assault Squads
3x Land Speeders
Stormraven.

How is my List Illegal?

Can't say I agree at all. Regulating your list to Unbound is basically saying "I don't plan to play 40k except against my best friend." Unbound is simply not a legitimate solution to the problems as it's barely accepted. You'll prob find more Planetstrike games than unbound :p

That's a player issue though, not a rules issue. The rules say Unbound is perfectly acceptable and legal. Players outlaw it. It's like in Pokémon games, some are banned because they are too powerful (usually some sort of Legendary or super-powerful rare one), but that's a metagame ruling, not a Nintendo official ruling. As far as GW is concerned, Unbound is a perfectly legitimate solution.

Also note, however, that the issue BA are having is not the same as the one Orks, Space Wolves, DE, Purifierwing or Draigowing had with their Codexes. The others had elites moving to troops via a character to make a themed army (a la Deathwing, Loganwing, Draigowing, Crowewing, Nipplewing, etc), with the option to not include that character and usae them as Elites as normal. BA have a troop unit moving permanently to Fast Attack. A better analogy would be Guardian Jetbikes (I think they are troops too?) becoming Fast Attack which makes Eldar Biker players have to buy footslogging troops to now play a CAD.

To be quite frank, GW removing all force-org shifts is them saying "Play unbound" not "don't play your army."

The reason people don't like unbound as, were it accepted as the new default mode (As Jervis himself stated it was in his interview pre-7th), the already troublesome cheesemongers would become completely unmanageable because the game's balance, internal and external, is fundamentally broken.

Unbound as a concept isn't the problem, if anything, it helps soften the blow of the blandification of codexes and the continued refusal to go back to the customization of 4th edition codexes. If the codexes were actually balanced internall and externally even a little bit, rather than all over the damned place, and the core rules didn't strongly favour some kinds of armies over others, unbound would just be a choice for more themed armies at a slight disadvantage via losing objective secured and more control over what your warlord is good at (and yes, there's some continued implied dislike for random warlord traits in there).

Locally, I have no problem getting games with my unbound armies; I've always wanted to run a Marine 1st Company, so now that I can ditch the useless bloody tactical marines, I can take more overpriced sub-par Elite choices, and no one scoffs at playing me as 10 termies, sternguard, vanguard, honour guard and a land raider is, well, quite frankly bad against most even slightly competitive lists. I do, however, agree that given the limitatons of the game system, the onus is on the player to prove their unbound list isn't them just being a cheesy bastard, but it is similarly unfair to said player if they have clearly made a themed army, or the one they've always wanted to say "No, I won't play you" on the pure principle of Unbound. Books by their covers and all that.

 Deadshot wrote:
That's a player issue though, not a rules issue. The rules say Unbound is perfectly acceptable and legal. Players outlaw it. It's like in Pokémon games, some are banned because they are too powerful (usually some sort of Legendary or super-powerful rare one), but that's a metagame ruling, not a Nintendo official ruling. As far as GW is concerned, Unbound is a perfectly legitimate solution.

Also note, however, that the issue BA are having is not the same as the one Orks, Space Wolves, DE, Purifierwing or Draigowing had with their Codexes. The others had elites moving to troops via a character to make a themed army (a la Deathwing, Loganwing, Draigowing, Crowewing, Nipplewing, etc), with the option to not include that character and usae them as Elites as normal. BA have a troop unit moving permanently to Fast Attack. A better analogy would be Guardian Jetbikes (I think they are troops too?) becoming Fast Attack which makes Eldar Biker players have to buy footslogging troops to now play a CAD.

It's a rules issue because the reason behind Unbound being banned by many players is due to it being broken and dysfunctional. There is nothing sane about a situation like:

"o hi, can I run an unbound list so that I can use all these assault marines I now can't use in a standard game?"

"Sure. I'll use my Unbound Inquisitor list then. =-)

"Well... fair is fair I guess. =)"

*Unbound Inquisitor list" has 30 one-man psyker units in it for 300 points. 1200 points of daemons get summoned over the next three turns*

It's a poorly implemented system with poorly implemented rules. It may work in friendly games between close-knit friends, but if you're bros4lyfe with the guy you're playing with, why did you need Unbound in the first place? A real friend would probably have always let you ignore the FoC if it was for the sake of you having fun with your minis. That's what friends do.

Can someone explain to me how people are talking about taking Cassor the Damned Dreadnought as a troop choice without taking the rest of his formation from Deathstorm? I feel like I've missed something in the rules here.
Thanks!

Nowhere anywhere (that I know of) does it say that a unit that is part of a Formation has to be taken in that formation and nowhere else. Cypher and Tyrannic War Veterans are good examples. He is a troop choice like any other, and that Formation he is a part of is a Formation like any other.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Nowhere anywhere (that I know of) does it say that a unit that is part of a Formation has to be taken in that formation and nowhere else. Cypher and Tyrannic War Veterans are good examples. He is a troop choice like any other, and that Formation he is a part of is a Formation like any other.

Cool thanks! So it's like all the units in Deathstorm are special characters (or a squad with a fixed load-out), which can be used all together to make a formation with certain benefits, or separately as you would any other special character? I'm a bit inexperienced with 7th ed and all this formation malarkey as you can see.