How would you advise a beginner to spend their £100 to get started in WH40k??

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**kerikhaos**

Is this even possible to achieve with only a measly £100 ?

We all know GW stuff is far more expensive than any other similar game but can we pull off a descent list with this money.......

My opinion as a non pro gamer and just collector I would go with this combo

Space marine strike force or adeptus Astartes strike force rrp £140 each but only £105 from dark sphere

But that's cheating so here's another list

Tactical squad £25
Assault squad £20.50
Dreadnought £28
Razorback £25
Space marines x3 pack £6

Total = £104.50

Let's hear your lists doesn't gave to be space marines

**Grimtuff**

I presume the rulebook and codex are already owned? As that is generally a good place to begin...

**Azreal13**

Not seeing any rules or codex in that list, or are we making the assumption that it is already purchased?

**Shotgun**

I would advise them not to. If they had thier heart set on it, I would advise them to forgo "new" and comb the second hand sellers.

Then I would suggest a force with a codex that is no more than 1 to 1.5 yrs old.

I just don't think you can enjoy the game with that kind of initial outlay.

**kerikhaos**

Let's say codex and rules can be borrowed for the time being and it's just cost on minis

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Oh I agree to hit the used stuff on eBay etc or discount job this is just for official reference going down your local GW and paying mug money

**MWHistorian**

Go for a more affordable game?

**kerikhaos**

MWHistorian wrote:
Go for a more affordable game?

Good response but we gotta stick to wh40k

**Grimtuff**

kerikhaos wrote:
MWHistorian wrote:
Go for a more affordable game?

Good response but we gotta stick to wh40k

How so? In all honesty I would never advise anyone to get into 40k at this stage. To say nothing of the rules and how utterly dire I think they are, but have you even explained to them the financial ramifications of what they're about to get into? If this guy thinks £100 is enough to get anything significant he's in for a rude awakening.

**adamsouza**

Dark Vengeance £65
Razorback £25
Space marines x3 pack £6

Dark Angels <-- Could also use as vanilla marines or convert to chaos
Captain
Librarian
13 Tactical Marines
3 Bikes
5 Termies
Razorback
+
Chaos
Hell Brute
Aspiring Champion
Chaos HQ guy
20 cultitists
6 chosen
+ Rulesbook
+ dice
+ templates

Grimtuff wrote:
kerikhaos wrote:
MWHistorian wrote:
Go for a more affordable game?

Good response but we gotta stick to wh40k

How so?

Because it's his thread and he's interested in a 40K solution, not a sales pitch for other games

**frozenwastes**

Do we have to stick with GW miniatures?

Cause, you know, 80 plastic Warzone infantry for 30 Euros

http://shop.princeaugust.ie/warzone-mutant-chronicles-wargame/warzone-games-expansion-sets/tg2420-1-warzone-mutant-chronicles-bag-of-80-plastic-soldiers/

Is there a list that's viable for carapace armed guardsmen? They are also easy to convert with parts either from 3rd party resin providers like Anvil or Zinge or whatever or GW plastic guns from eBay bitz sellers.

if you need vehicles, Ramshackle Games would look great next to the warzone plastics:

http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6&sort=20a&page=2

Though for my 28mm sci-fi vehicles, I use 1/48 scale Merkava tanks by Academy. They're like $20 after shipping from Korea on eBay.

**moogy**

£100 you say.....right, well.....

Buy Dark Vengeance from a GW store and swap out the Chaos for the Dark Angels.

For £65 you have 2x Libbys, 2x Company Masters, 20 Tactical Marines, 10 Terminators and 6 bikes. Buy a chapter upgrade frame for £12 which will give you a nice way to get 5 Company Veterans as well as the opportunity to kitbash some of the minis from Dark Vengeance making the two squads more unique. If my maths is right, there is £23. £16.50 on an attack bikt and then you have a whopping £6.50 left.

I'd be tempted to go £12 over budget and buy a Landspeeder. That would give you a list like:
Company Master
2x Librarian
2x 10 man tactical squad
2x 5 man terminator squads
1x RAS with attack bike and land speeder

That's gotta be close to a 1500 point army if it's tooled up, right?

EDIT

Oh yeah, and you get a copy of the rules

**Desubot**

If it was in the states where i was from id probably say hit up a casino, win big so you could actually start an army

**frozenwastes**

adamsouza wrote:
Dark Vengeance £65
Razorback £25

Why not just paint up the DA as Renegades and make an all Chaos force? You can use all the DV models in one army then. Or go unbound and accept that the DA and Chaos are working together because reasons.

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I would recommend buying the Dark Vengeance starter set and trading/selling away the faction you don't want. Also buy the Citadel base paint set. That's $155 which I think is close to 100 pounds. (silly British money).

(and stay away from the ridiculously priced GW primer, go to Home Depot and buy some for <$5.

I also think GW needs to develop a starter set for each faction that sells for $50. It should include 2 troop choices and an HQ, a mini rulebook and the army rules for those units.

Now if they have a bit more money to spend then there are a couple of box sets for various factions that give a small discount. usually these are around $200 which is a bit much to fork over at one time, but then again the number of people (especially kids parents!)who fork over $500 for a video game console I assume there are plenty of people who can afford this.

**Desubot**

frozenwastes wrote:
adamsouza wrote:
Dark Vengeance £65
Razorback £25

Why not just paint up the DA as Renegades and make an all Chaos force? You can use all the DV models in one army then. Or go unbound and accept that the DA and Chaos are working together because reasons.

Why unbound they could just run as CtA

But yeah DV is actually easily the easiest way to start. if you are into chaos. go the fallen and iv seen some neet conversions into word bearers for the terminators. as well the bikes make excellent emps children.

**tyrannosaurus**

Old style Dark Eldar from ebay, cheap as chips. Ask your friends if you can play the 5th edition codex and 6th edition rules and pick them up from Ebay too. Should be able to get this lot for under £100.

**Herzlos**

I'd suggest 6th ed mini rulebook from ebay, and £95 worth of ebay minis from someone like Mantic.

You're going to be making major compromises at that level.

**MightyGodzilla**

Dark Vengeance Box. If your friend likes the game he can save up and spend from there.

**jonolikespie**

Is it too late to jump on the 'I wouldn't' bandwagon?

Seriously though on the UK store does £100 even buy you a rulebook and codex?

**MightyGodzilla**

If he does like the game his next buy could be one of the battleforce boxes. I think they make one for everything. Most are great deals.

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jonolikespie wrote:
Is it too late to jump on the 'I wouldn't' bandwagon?

Seriously though on the UK store does £100 even buy you a rulebook and codex?

Honestly the OP asked the question and we should stay on topic and not hijack the thread. We've already got five current "GW sucks" threads alive and well, no need to add more. Just answer the OP's question if you can.

**Herzlos**

I'd suggest 6th ed mini rulebook from ebay, and £95 worth of ebay minis from someone like Mantic.

You're going to be making major compromises at that level.

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MightyGodzilla wrote:
If he does like the game his next buy could be one of the battleforce boxes. I think they make one for everything. Most are great deals.

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jonolikespie wrote:
Is it too late to jump on the 'I wouldn't' bandwagon?

Seriously though on the UK store does £100 even buy you a rulebook and codex?

Honestly the OP asked the question and we should stay on topic and not hijack the thread. We've already got five current "GW sucks" threads alive and well, no need to add more. Just answer the OP's question if you can.

Yes, £65 will get you the mini rule book and 1 codex.

**Howard A Treesong**

I'm looking at the stuff I've been buying recently. It' demonstrates how little mileage you get out of GW product.

I'd tell them to buy Warzone. You can download the rules for free and a starter box for an army plus a pile of related boosters will come in at less than £100 and have all the rules for them.

Or maybe Flames of War, Dark Sphere does the 3rd edition Open Fire for £32 and you can get a heap of blisters or boxes to make up the £100.

Or Batman Miniatures Game, if they like Batman. Download the rules again, buy a heap of packs for the charactes you like. You're ready to go.

**Melcavuk**

I'd side with the Dark Vengeance bunch, or if the new nids vs BA box comes to fruition that instead, trading away whichever army wasnt wanted for the same part of the army that was wanted. Either way you end up with a small but playable force and a decent starting point into the game, aswell as a mini rulebook, templates etc.

**jonolikespie**

Ok wow so you have £35 to spend after rules...

Mantic orks are pretty good, as are there enforcers. Wargames factory IG are pretty cool too.

I don't know UK prices but I doubt its enough to get you anything more than a kill team so I'd only recommend alternative models if alternative games are off the table.

**adamsouza**

jonolikespie wrote:
Mantic orks are pretty good, as are there enforcers. Wargames factory IG are pretty cool too.

Mantic Orks are scaled closer to Gorkamorka boyz, have limited sculpts, and weapon selection.
Mantic Enforcers, still currently in Restic, are a PITA to assemble, have limited sculpts, and weapon selection that doesn't match up well with 40K.
Wargames Factory IG are not that bad, but they comprise entirely of footsloggers, which would be a prettty lame starting 40K IG force, and very low points.

Dark Vengeance beats out an equivalent money's worth of Mantic or Wargames Factory for 40K use.

Dark Vengeance also includes a rulebook and templates a new player is going to need.

**jonolikespie**

If you add historical kits to wargames factory you can get past the footslogging issue.

It might take a bit of looking to get the scale right but they shouldn't be hard to find in a local toy store, they are very cheap for what you get since no one can claim a historical unit as their copyright, and even the cheaper stuff actually has a lot more detail than most gaming vehicles I've see. There are also a few that fit the IG aesthetics perfectly as that's where GW took a lot of their inspiration from.

**frozenwastes**

I'm not sure DV beats out the WGF troopers as you'd just end up so many of them for the same money. I don't think the Mantic Marauders should be brushed off either. So what if they're smaller and closer to Gorka Morka orks? That's a good thing considering the current stats for Ork Boyz in 40k.

I agree overall that DV is better if someone is a "beginner". The only issue they'll have is that the chaos marines which are just loaded with an overwhelming amount of detail inappropriate for a beginner. They're very busy models.

Hopefully anyone who gets DV will save them for last in their painting que. By the time you work through the cultists and marines, a painter should be up to speed for the chaos guys, but I've seen a lot of beginners really struggle with them.

They're a great thing to include in DV to get existing customers to lose their **** over detail, but they're not beginner friendly at all. The WGF troopers, on the other hand (and to a smaller degree the Mantic Marauders) are relatively plain with deep detail that paints up super easily even by first time painters. As do the Warzone plastics and cheaper snap together type historical kits like Academy's super cheap ones.

**Sinful Hero**

I'd side with the Dark Vengeance box, or the new rumored Tyranids versus Blood Angels, and just trading/converting whatever you don't want. You might even can find a Stormclaw box somewhere for retail, but I don't know. I've found eBay is sometimes a good source for models, but it can take awhile to wait for a deal to come up. I usually just trawl for the "Make an Offer" listings and start haggling.

**jonolikespie**

Oh, and a couple of sheets of plasticard and a box of Ork boys will turn any of those historical kits into a great Ork vehicle.

**adamsouza**

jonolikespie wrote:
Oh, and a couple of sheets of plasticard and a box of Ork boys will turn any of those historical kits into a great Ork vehicle.

Scratch building orks is probably the most economical means to produce a 40K army, for an experienced modeller, with a lot of time on their hands.

It's not something that is newbie friendly, and again out of the parameters of what the OP asked for.

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As for the Manitc Orks being Gorkamorka scale, I'm going to guess your not an actual ork player if you think they're Ork enough to field.
No Warboss worth his wieght in Dakka would field weedy looking orks that are no bigger than a filthy uman or panzee.