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Did anyone share that Google Doc Gaming Garage made for the KS pledge levels?

If not I will share it here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/twG9Q5S76kFUbDRQn94ZoSw/htmlview#gid=0

Don't get me wrong, some of the factions and models look great and I would buy them in a heartbeat if they were available now and I actually seen the casting quality.

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Don't get me wrong, some of the factions and models look great and I would buy them in a heartbeat if they were available now and I actually seen the casting quality.

You can see a video of them looking at a couple of their resin production casts here: http://tinyurl.com/orwqxuf

 Artemis Black wrote:
I do notice that Scale are now going with the line that their figures work just fine with Infinity terrain, which is odd because Infinity figures are quite small and slender and generally the buildings made of it reflect that. You could easily use Infinity barriers and crates etc. and they'd just be smaller barriers and crates but then again you could say that for 'anything' generic. When people say 'scenery' they tend to include buildings and set pieces and 40mm hulking powered armour figures walking around a, for example, Micro Arts Infinity town are surely going to look like they are wandering around Legoland when the buildings are about 40mm per storey.

Something to remember about Infinity miniatures, their standard base (without any modifications) is 3mm high. Typically people will flip another base over to dress it up or use other existing bases which can measure to about 5mm high.

Ok now for actual picture evidence to help alleviate some conjecture, since I had a little extra time and wanted give actual examples that people can see. For some this will be great news and for others it may not be but overall it should be informative for everyone. There is no reason reason why existing 28mm "Heroic Scale" - 32mm terrain would not work with Fallen Frontiers. Unfortunately my Wild West Exodus miniatures (35mm) are being borrowed and Knight Miniatures haven't come in yet so I don't have them with me. I decided to gather up a few miniatures from various brands to create a lineup and give some actual examples with them in the meantime.

The miniatures and terrain used in the pictures are:
- Infinity: Nomad Grenzers, Nomad Mobile Brigada, Yu-Jing Guijia, scratch-built Drone, Operation: Icestorm terrain
- Warhammer 40K: Eldar Guardian, Terminator from Space Hulk 4th edition, Ruined building from Space Marines vs Dark Eldar box (4th edition I think?)
- Dust Tactics Grim Reaper
- Underground Lasers: Guard shack and blockade.
- Micro Art Studio: District 5 Garage

Disclaimer: The camera is my S5, sitting flat on its side against the table (other than one high angle shot), when I took the pictures. I tried to keep the setup and positioning exactly the same so there was no if very little variance. Keep in mind not all miniatures, other than the lineup, are side by side so some might seem a bit bigger because of perspective as they are obviously closer or further to the camera. It should be pretty clear what is what. The red line in the images is measured at 40mm. Also remember that base sizes vary from 3mm-6mm. There is a 4mm gap from the base of the ruler until it actually starts measuring, even though the line is at 40mm, it is actually at roughly 44mm in height.

Here are the control images of Fallen Frontier that I am using to base initial heights and sizes for comparisons with:


Here are my initial miniatures lineup images:


Now that we've established the baseline and comparison miniatures it is time to add in the terrain to the images starting Infinity Operation: Icestorm terrain. These are the pre-printed terrain buildings that came in the game box for Icestorm:


Warhammer 40K ruined building that came in a WH40K boxed set that was Space Marines vs Dark Eldar (I think 4th edition, it was forever ago so don't remember?).


Underground Lasers MDF laser cut terrain that was from their recent Kickstarter:


Adding in Micro Art Studio District 5 Garage into the lineup:

Am i seeing this correctly and the mobile brigada is 35mm to the eyes? If so then you could use it as the perfect comparison between the FF miniatures and your terrain.

 OnePageAnon wrote:
Am i seeing this correctly and the mobile brigada is 35mm to the eyes? If so then you could use it as the perfect comparison between the FF miniatures and your terrain.

Yes that is about right.

 Dark Severance wrote:
Yes that is about right.

Oh that's awesome. Could you take a few pictures just with the mobile brigada next to different terrain pieces then?

 OnePageAnon wrote:
Am i seeing this correctly and the mobile brigada is 35mm to the eyes? If so then you could use it as the perfect comparison between the FF miniatures and your terrain.

Yes that is roughly correct. I created an image to show where 35mm is at. Keep in mind the Brigada base is 3mm and it is 4mm before the measurement actually starts on the ruler, so there is about 1mm discrepancy making the line really at 36mm.



Sure give me a few hours. I need to run some errands but I could probably do some pictures to give better examples.

Thanks for the pics - very helpful and much appreciated!

Cheers for the pics

That is one of the best posts on this thread. Thank you very much for the time you have spent taking pictures. They are really helpful

I probably won't get new pictures posted until tomorrow... ran out of time and promised the wife I'd run do some MMO gaming with her for a bit.

I'll set up the table though with some terrain and take some pictures keeping the Dust Tactics Grim Reaper, Infinity Nomad Mobile Brigada, Yu-Jing Guijia, and Drone for consistency with the other pictures I've taken. I'm going to estimate that the Heavy Trooper types like the Behemoth, Vulcans, Hulks and Hyperion Armours will be fairly similar to the Yu-Jing Guijia in size.

At best guess the "Underground Lasers MDF laser cut terrain" seems to be the best terrain for the ff guys. Guess Stuff like walls and barrels/containers are generic and can work with most.

Update:

The $1 pledge level is here for those who want to pick and choose what they want. The only downside is you don't get any pledge goals so no free stuff and no discounted pledge either.

This means the more you buy the bigger the benefit in postage.

so £26 if you buy 1 hero and if you buy 8 then that price drops to £8.50 per mini.

If you were not interested in Ares and Vengeance the options that I can see are:

1) Faction Pledge (which does include stretch goals and rules) for $210-$220 with shipping. It is only 25 miniatures currently, there was a free one added as as stretch goal, $7.78-$9.57 per miniature. One disadvantage is it is just one army, so unless a friend gets a faction pledge you can't really play with friends or invite others to get into the game. You do get one of the vehicles as part of this, but I'm not sure if I like them yet or not.

2) Assault Trooper Pledge + Add-ons to create your 3rd Faction army. With shipping $295-305 for 57 miniatures if you are not interested in the vehicles, $5.18-$5.35 per miniature. You are able to get a different faction other than Ares and Vengeance and have a couple armies you can use to demo or play with friends. If you are lucky you can talk one of them into buying them or sell them off via 3rd party methods. It also includes stretch goals so you may end up with a couple extra miniatures by the end of the campaign, although no guarantee they are for your 3rd faction choice.

3) If you want a vehicle for your 3rd faction choice, you can do the Assault Trooper Pledge + Add-ons to get one vehicle, with shipping, for $340-$350. It would probably be better though to do Assault Trooper Pledge + Faction Pledge, if you are in Europe/USA it comes to the same price of $340. You unfortunately do not get double the stretch goals which is a shame and disappointment. However you do end up getting an extra Rulebook that can make it easier to selling Ares and/or Vengeance armies away along with the rulebook. If you are RoW it does cost $350 instead but it is cheaper than adding a $16 Rulebook add-on.

 Dark Severance wrote:
One disadvantage is it is just one army

I am sure you can just mix and match whichever factions you want.

Anyway i am still looking forward to those images with the mobile brigada to get a sense of scale with the terrain you have shown.

You could also do some of this stuff here:

Update #6

Nov 16 2014

New Pledge Level & How you can help Fallen Frontiers
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Hello Backers,

First off we want to thank everyone very much for pledging on Fallen Frontiers and helping us make this game a reality!

Over the past days we have been been listening to your feedback, and we are working on updating the Kickstarter accordingly. Today we are going to add a $1 pledge level so that people can pick whatever add-ons they want, without having to commit to the $70 pledge. We are also working on a pledge manager to make the entire process as easy as possible, however it will still take a few days.

In the meantime we would like to ask you to help us in spreading the word about Fallen Frontiers. The more people we have on board, the more stretch goals we unlock, and the more sci-fi awesomeness everybody gets.

You can help us in 3 simple steps:

1 - Like Fallen Frontiers on Facebook
2 - Follow Fallen Frontiers on Twitter
3 - Become a Fan on Board Game Geek

If you have any ideas on how we can get more visibility for the Kickstarter we would be very happy to hear it in the comments.

You have kinda gotta wonder what they were doing for the last 4 months.

New Kickstarter comes around and the rules are still in 'alpha', they are working on this and changing that.

They still haven't bothered to get prints done of the 75mm minis they are using for advertising (Dianne will 'not' look like that when you get it for example).

Meh, I've pledged so I shall now await my weekly or monthly amusing update I guess

 Artemis Black wrote:
You have kinda gotta wonder what they were doing for the last 4 months.

New Kickstarter comes around and the rules are still in 'alpha', they are working on this and changing that.

They still haven't bothered to get prints done of the 75mm minis they are using for advertising (Dianne will 'not' look like that when you get it for example).

Meh, I've pledged so I shall now await my weekly or monthly amusing update I guess

I'm sorry are we still talking about FF, or beyond the gates of Antares? , at least these sculpts are more current.

Yes, I would have been happier to hear that the rules had progressed a lot more than they apparently have.

I'm thinking that many "Scale Games Fans" might be more 'painters' vs. 'gamers' - and that's OK!

But it might also explain why many "Scale Games Fans" react so...vehemently when they read any 'game-related' questions?

Yeah, the $1 pledge to "wait and see" seems the safest to me here. Wish I'd added that in on a few others to have the opportunity to add later, and just to track the progress (Arena Rex and Guildball come to mind).

Previously I hadn't pledged at all if I was unsure of fulfillment, but I really would like to see how they tackle this, even if I'm not confident enough to put down for a large pledge.

 OnePageAnon wrote:
Oh that's awesome. Could you take a few pictures just with the mobile brigada next to different terrain pieces then?

I thought this would be easy but it ended up being a bit harder than I thought. I wanted to take lower level shots so people wouldn't think that angles were being manipulated. Then it was a matter of trying to figure out how to position things to give an actual idea of size comparison. I settled for a little bit of everything. I also ended up getting a couple other miniatures the same size as the Nomads Mobile Brigada, Dark Age's miniature and Infinity: Combined Army - Suryats. Sorry some of them are painted and the terrain is pretty bare, since I've been sick most of my stuff is on loan so I gathered the left overs together.

For those that missed the original post size comparisons with a ruler, it is posted on this page or you can just click it here.

Infinity Operation: Icestorm card terrain that came with the box:


To help keep continuity I started to mix in other terrain including Battle Systems scifi wall and doorway and WH40K building ruins:


Now to switch it up a bit and started to add in various MDF laser cut terrain from Underground Lasers, Burn in Designs and Micro Art Studio:


I hope that helps give everyone a better idea of how Fallen Frontiers miniatures can still incorporate into existing 28-32mm terrain.

I just can't do $35 for shipping. If I was all in and getting tons of miniatures, maybe it would be worth it, but I was thinking of just grabbing 10 or so.

 frozenwastes wrote:
I just can't do $35 for shipping. If I was all in and getting tons of miniatures, maybe it would be worth it, but I was thinking of just grabbing 10 or so.

If you only want a few miniatures, even with $35 shipping, the Faction pledge isn't that bad of an option. You get 14 miniatures which puts them at $7.50 per resin 35mm miniature. On average resin miniatures tend to run $15-40 depending on size and where you get them, so overall not too horrible. Although for $35 more, the Assault Trooper pledge is definitely the best bang for the buck, 34 miniatures ($4.12 per miniature with shipping added to the total).

RiTides wrote:Yeah, the $1 pledge to "wait and see" seems the safest to me here. Wish I'd added that in on a few others to have the opportunity to add later, and just to track the progress (Arena Rex and Guildball come to mind).

Previously I hadn't pledged at all if I was unsure of fulfillment, but I really would like to see how they tackle this, even if I'm not confident enough to put down for a large pledge.

Artemis Black wrote:You have kinda gotta wonder what they were doing for the last 4 months.

New Kickstarter comes around and the rules are still in 'alpha', they are working on this and changing that.

They still haven't bothered to get prints done of the 75mm minis they are using for advertising (Dianne will 'not' look like that when you get it for example).

Meh, I've pledged so I shall now await my weekly or monthly amusing update I guess

You know, if for any reason you're not happy with a project you can either reduce your payment level or remove it altogether! You have this option right up to the end date!

For what you get, pretty much any pledge works out to be a good value. I've seen Scale 75's larger stuff in person and I know they do good work.

I was thinking of something like the Ares combat force add-on or maybe the Riff version. 11 miniatures for so, even at $85 after shipping, is still technically a very good deal considering they're resin and huge miniatures.

And $35 is accurate. I checked on some quote pages and it's going to be what a boxed package of 11 40mm miniatures shipped to me would cost.

The $35 sounds like a lot to ship 11 miniatures and it shocked me at first. Now I think I'll ask some gaming buddies and see if I can't find someone local to split shipping with.

Bear in mind, they will be shipping from Europe and US. So for those regions there is no import charge to backers.

Now that of course means Scale are having to foot the bill for import and export from China to Europe, and Europe to US. That also means paying for a US warehouse, and the whole other fun that comes with operating as a company in the US as well as in Europe.

That must no be cheap. If that means more cost on shipping and in other places, but also means you can pledge as much as you like and not get taxed on it..... well that shipping charge becomes a steal.

Has Scale said if they are going to have their Scalecolor paints available as addons or any painting DVD's?

The paint sets increased shipping and weight so they're a no go apparently. DVDs are either available as add ons post kickstarter or are a secret stretch goal depending on the comments.

$1 pledge level? Backed...

The latest:

Update #7

Nov 17 2014

New Renders, New Pledge Level & Spanish Starter Box
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Hello everyone,

We have been working hard at bringing you some interesting things, and we have 3 things we wanted to share with you right now:

1) After working a few things out we are now able to give you guys the option between receiving the Starter Box in either English or Spanish at the end of the campaign. This means that the rulebook and all cards in the Starter Box will be translated, giving our Spanish speaking backers that aren’t proficient in English an easier time.

2) Seeing how we have had an increase in demand for the higher tier rewards, we have decided to open up a set of 25 new Early Bird Commander pledges for $670, giving you an increadible value for money (items bought separately are worth $857).

3) We have prepared a few render videos of some of the miniatures to show you the models in all of their glory. Today we are showing you two, and we will release more in the following days.

That’s it for right now, but we are working on a lot of stuff behind the scenes so that we can get more updates to you as soon as possible. Stay tuned for more!

From BoW

Update: We’ve had an awesome update from the folks at Scale75 about the Fallen Frontiers Kickstarter and they’ve given us another of the hidden hero stretch goals to show off! Check out Kyra Operator 551…

Kyra Operator 551

And here is a bit more about her…

“When an Operator first recovers his consciousness it usually takes a few days for him to recover from the process. During this period being able to make their own choices is something that terrifies the recovering subjects, and it generates a crisis from which some recover sooner than later.

When Kyra was released the Ares thought that the process had failed because she was rebelling at all times as if she had remained an Operator. She was kept in isolation for 10 days, during which she showed a brutal resistance even without a reason. Eventually when her brain was scanned to see if she was still subconsciously receiving orders, the Ares came to the realization that her behavior was her own, and fee of outside control.

“What should we do sir? Should we let her go?”

“We are sure that she is not one of them, right?”

“Yes sir, but I also cannot tell you that she is one of us.””

Pretty awesome right? She’s sure to make an awesome miniature and I love that you get to have a bit of fun with her gun as well giving it a neat menacing look to it like they used to with fighter planes. She’s certainly a different looking Operator to the ones we’ve seen before, and Bitsie below, so it shows Ares isn’t all about the uniform dress code!
- See more at: http://www.beastsofwar.com/fallen-frontiers/fallen-frontiers-kickstarter-stretch-goals-busted/#sthash.bHWpiKj3.dpuf

Well she is the first Ares that looks nice. at least in concept.