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 BlaxicanX wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Pacific Rim also fails test, despite Mako Mori being a suprisingly balanced depiction of a woman in a genre that is so macho centric.

She was a terrible character who almost got the entire party killed and stalked the protagonist though.

This. Mako Mori was one of those characters that were there so they could fall in love with the main char for no plausible reason. The only thing was she had some semblance of a backstory insofar as 'getting family killed by kaiju' is a backstory

Sining wrote:
So what are you saying? The asians in Sweden are magically different from the asians in China, Korea, Japan, Malaysia and Singapore?

No, that their experiences with regards to media will be different.
The fact that you've played a load of western or japanese games means jack gak; that you're cool with playing whatever game you like doesn't suddenly mean that joe bloggs from Sweden, whom wants to get into video games but can't find any that match his interests, is suddenly cool playing as a middle aged, brown haired, almost bald guy. He might still find something like this useful.

Also dude, wth are you smoking? I'm the dominant race in my country so many games will be made with me as the target? Wow, I guess that means all those western or japanese games I played totally don't count. There goes Diablo III, Civ beyond earth, GTA V, Fantasy Life, Bayonetta 2, SSB, etc. Here's a hint, I and most people I know play western games. My roommate is; right at this moment, playing Mechwarrior Online.

Here's the thing. Your experiences aren't universal, and you aren't the target for this initiative. Even ignoring the fact that you don't live in Sweden, you already play games. You've already established that you're cool with games as they currently are, and you're absolutely fine playing whatever game you like. You are not the target for this. This is for people that don't know games that much, that don't feel comfortable playing whatever character is available, that want to play something that better represents their own experiences; just because this idea, which is aimed at getting NEW people involved in games, doesn't seem useful to you (someone who already plays everything), doesn't mean it is useless.

I mean, at this point you're trying so hard to be PC you're actually pretty reverse-racist.

If you want to call me racist, go ahead and call me racist. Don't skirt around it with that "reverse racism" bs. Though if you're going to call me racist, at least try and back it up with evidence, rather than just "you're trying to be PC but actually you're racist" that isn't a point, it's namecalling.

So maybe you can stuff your 'suppositions' where they're supposed to go

Charming.

Sining wrote:
Mako Mori was one of those characters that were there so they could fall in love with the main char for no plausible reason.

Really? Cause with as bland as the main character was, they needed someone else in there (though a Movie about those Aussies would have been sweet.. Or the Russians... Or the triplets. Anyone but Raleigh. Hell his brother was more entertaining, and he dies like five minutes in)

People always cite her as a love interest, despite there not being any such arc in the film. She and Raleigh are clearly close, but the movie lacked any romance whatsoever, which is the thing that makes her stand out as unusual.

 LordofHats wrote:

Sining wrote:
Mako Mori was one of those characters that were there so they could fall in love with the main char for no plausible reason.

Really? Cause with as bland as the main character was, they needed someone else in there (though a Movie about those Aussies would have been sweet.. Or the Russians... Or the triplets. Anyone but Raleigh. Hell his brother was more entertaining, and he dies like five minutes in)

People always cite her as a love interest, despite there not being any such arc in the film. She and Raleigh are clearly close, but the movie lacked any romance whatsoever, which is the thing that makes her stand out as unusual.

I think most people lock her into the love interest slot because that is what they are expecting. There isn't anything that outright rebuts or enforces the love interest thing apart from our expectations.

 Goliath wrote:

Sining wrote:
So what are you saying? The asians in Sweden are magically different from the asians in China, Korea, Japan, Malaysia and Singapore?

No, that their experiences with regards to media will be different.
The fact that you've played a load of western or japanese games means jack gak; that you're cool with playing whatever game you like doesn't suddenly mean that joe bloggs from Sweden, whom wants to get into video games but can't find any that match his interests, is suddenly cool playing as a middle aged, brown haired, almost bald guy. He might still find something like this useful.

Also dude, wth are you smoking? I'm the dominant race in my country so many games will be made with me as the target? Wow, I guess that means all those western or japanese games I played totally don't count. There goes Diablo III, Civ beyond earth, GTA V, Fantasy Life, Bayonetta 2, SSB, etc. Here's a hint, I and most people I know play western games. My roommate is; right at this moment, playing Mechwarrior Online.

Here's the thing. Your experiences aren't universal, and you aren't the target for this initiative. Even ignoring the fact that you don't live in Sweden, you already play games. You've already established that you're cool with games as they currently are, and you're absolutely fine playing whatever game you like. You are not the target for this. This is for people that don't know games that much, that don't feel comfortable playing whatever character is available, that want to play something that better represents their own experiences; just because this idea, which is aimed at getting NEW people involved in games, doesn't seem useful to you (someone who already plays everything), doesn't mean it is useless.

I mean, at this point you're trying so hard to be PC you're actually pretty reverse-racist.

If you want to call me racist, go ahead and call me racist. Don't skirt around it with that "reverse racism" bs. Though if you're going to call me racist, at least try and back it up with evidence, rather than just "you're trying to be PC but actually you're racist" that isn't a point, it's namecalling.

So maybe you can stuff your 'suppositions' where they're supposed to go

Charming.

You're simply racist because you assumed you knew what types of game I was playing based on my ethnicity and country. "Games catered to my ethnicity because my ethnicity is dominant in my country" indeed. I mean, is there anything else you would like to tell me about my country and the people who play games in it while having not lived in my country?

As for the whole joe blogg thing, that's the thing I'm asking. Are non-whitemale gamers in sweden much more different than in other countries? Because to be honest, I know a lot of non-whitemale gamers and the number one complaint I hear about them with regards to games isn't "dammit, this main char isn't my ethnicity". Instead it's something about balance, storyline, online play etc. So here's the question, this article seems to think by putting equality ratings, it'll make nonwhitemale gamers play more games but that's such a stretch of logic for me


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 LordofHats wrote:

Sining wrote:
Mako Mori was one of those characters that were there so they could fall in love with the main char for no plausible reason.

Really? Cause with as bland as the main character was, they needed someone else in there (though a Movie about those Aussies would have been sweet.. Or the Russians... Or the triplets. Anyone but Raleigh. Hell his brother was more entertaining, and he dies like five minutes in)

People always cite her as a love interest, despite there not being any such arc in the film. She and Raleigh are clearly close, but the movie lacked any romance whatsoever, which is the thing that makes her stand out as unusual.

The whole stalking thing kind of gave of that vibe. Plus the scene at the end where they're on that raft http://s17.photobucket.com/user/moviekoala/media/movies01/pacific19.jpg.html really makes it seem like they're in one at the end.

I think Nomotog hit it. You assume it's romantic because that's what always happens in, well everything, but PR just doesn't go that route.

Though, now I'm thinking if Legendary will make a trend of killing off all the interesting people in its films and leaving the most boring member of the cast as the hero. They did it in Pacific Rim, and they did it again in Godzilla XD

Sining wrote:
Source: https://archive.today/xs4N3
Relevant quote: "The video game industry has a problem with gender equality and lack of diversity. Spelplan-ASGD (trade association for game developers and producers in Sweden) want to see if a new norm-critical rating system can help non-white-males feel more welcome in taking on the role of gamers as well as game developers.
Vinnova (Swedish government agency) has granted Spelplan-ASGD 270,000 SEK (=36,000$) to investigate whether it is feasible to develop a rating system for video games that would make it possible for those who buy games to choose norm-critical games and in that way put pressure on the industry. The idea is that the system would also provide support for developers to develop new types of games."

This just seems really weird. I almost expect them to start trying to slip things into the peoples water now.

Oh look another white CIS male telling "minorities" how offended they should be...

I like how the comments to such articles say a lot more about society than such articles themselves.

 Goliath wrote:
Here's the thing. Your experiences aren't universal

B-but Goliath, if the experiences of straight white males aren't universally applicable, the sky will fall!


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 Lynata wrote:
I like how the comments to such articles say a lot more about society than such articles themselves.

That says a lot of bad things about America given the comments sections of any American site...

Goliath wrote:I'm sure plenty of non-white males play games, but I'm fairly sure that you're probably the dominant race in your country and so many games will be made with you as the target, which won't be the case for non-white males or non-males in Sweden.

Sining wrote:You're simply racist because you assumed you knew what types of game I was playing based on my ethnicity and country. "Games catered to my ethnicity because my ethnicity is dominant in my country" indeed. I mean, is there anything else you would like to tell me about my country and the people who play games in it while having not lived in my country?

No, I didn't. I assumed you'd have more games available. Not which games that you play, but which games you have available, and as has already been stated, I didn't make any assumptions about which games you play, only which games you have available. I mean, 'made with you as a target' can be as simple localisation, or translation, and even so 'male' is still targeting you.

Apart from the fact that you've just accused me of being racist for making vaguely similar assumptions to the ones you made in the OP, why is it suddenly that people that make a fuss about being annoyed at overly sensitive people (with regards to gender/sexism) seem to be really overly sensitive at the moment?

 Melissia wrote:
I don't know why Seaward sees the societal pressures for men to spend less time with their children as an apparent good thing, though.

I don't know why Melissia thinks Seaward attributes it to societal pressure.

I assumed competence.

Melly, your sig is cut off. It's probably too big, unless something is wrong with my browser.

As for the topic, I would see nothing wrong with additional incentives given for a thing like this.

There, fixed I think. Thanks. It'll still be cut off if you zoom in though.

Seaward wrote:

I've also heard a lot about their attempts to force men to sit down to urinate, though I don't think that's an actual law yet.

How does one force a man to do this...without getting squishy shoes, that is? And what if they're in a locked stall? Pass them a summons under the divider?

I also wonder if a counter proposal that all women should be forced to stand whilst going could gain traction. That should highlight the stupidity of this all.

Rusty Trombone wrote:


I also wonder if a counter proposal that all women should be forced to stand whilst going could gain traction.

Women peeing standing? Looks like it would rather cause less traction...if you catch my drift.

So yeah, the whole "vote with your wallet" thing... wouldn't this allow consumers to make a more informed choice, thus making it easier to, in fact, vote with their wallets? Why is that bad?

It is interesting how many that fails with reading in this thread. There is no movement in Sweden that tries to force men to sit down and pee. It is not a thing. And it has certainly not, as Seaward implies been several attempts to do this.

It's pretty hilarious to watch people trying to cling to their preconceptions that they "heard" sometime.

Sining wrote:
So what are you saying? The asians in Sweden are magically different from the asians in China, Korea, Japan, Malaysia and Singapore?

Not “magically different”, but yeah, they live pretty different experiences.

 jorny wrote:
Maybe you should all read what the link says before posting.

Maybe some of us do not read Swedish .

 Sigvatr wrote:
and dark hair is more likely identified with badass-ness than blond hair.

Thor? Duke Nukem?

Thor has red hair.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

jorny wrote:Maybe you should all read what the link says before posting.

Maybe some of us do not read Swedish .

Well, google translate would be an option - or an addon for your browser. I'm going to assume that this is how Sining translated the article, too.

With such a loaded topic, it's always recommended to read the original article, as a lot of unnecessary controversy could be avoided this way (see dakka's reaction to GG).
Ultimately, people wish to see their personal perception and opinions confirmed, sometimes to such a degree of "desperation for confirmation" that they are willing to riot before having examined the supposed evidence.

Sigvatr wrote:Thor has red hair.

Not the badass comic hero, it would seem.

Well, Thor and Marvel's Thor are different.

...and how is Marvel's Thor badass in any way? He is a whiny, clumsy boy with daddy problems.

 Sigvatr wrote:
He is a whiny, clumsy boy with daddy problems.

I think you mean Loki

Thor has traditionally had good times with his dad

 Lynata wrote:
Well, google translate would be an option

Not worth anything. I have a friend that is doing a PhD in natural language processing, and I like to tease him on how bad automated translation is. When I discovered through Wikipedia that Meiko Kaji has a blog, only in Japanese, I tried to use Google Translate on it, and it was pretty much impossible to even get the idea of what she was talking about. So, I sent him the link. He gave three or four other alternatives that were supposed to be better. We still have no idea what Meiko Kaji was writing about .
Automatic translation, it does not work yet.
Enjoy:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fameblo.jp%2Fmeikokaji&edit-text=&act=url

Sigvatr wrote:Well, Thor and Marvel's Thor are different.

Well, as far as contemporary cultural impact goes, I think it's fair to say that most young people talking about Thor are in fact referring to Marvel's version rather than the original myth.
Rather similar to how most people talking about elves mean something close to the Tolkien version or a derivative thereof, rather than the daemonic entities people feared in medieval times.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Not worth anything. I have a friend that is doing a PhD in natural language processing, and I like to tease him on how bad automated translation is. When I discovered through Wikipedia that Meiko Kaji has a blog, only in Japanese, I tried to use Google Translate on it, and it was pretty much impossible to even get the idea of what she was talking about.

Japanese is on a whole different level of crazy compared to Swedish, which is a Germanic-descendent language and thus related to English - not to mention the many different meanings that individual kanji etc can have, all depending on the context.

Besides, with such a reasoning you'd invalidate the entire thread. You could at least use the same method OP used to read the article just to communicate on the same level. It's certainly better than not reading anything at all and just trusting biased opinions to be true. If there is an error in translation, someone will eventually point it out.

 Lynata wrote:
You could at least use the same method OP used to read the article just to communicate on the same level.

I did so, just to check if that was actually speaking about something at least similar to what it was supposed to speak about. And it was. I also checked a few other articles to see what the site looked like. But I did not go into any detail because I did not expect the translation to be good or accurate or anything.

 Lynata wrote:
If there is an error in translation, someone will eventually point it out.

And someone did. And asked us why we did not read it ourselves. And the reason was that it was in a language we did not understand .

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
So yeah, the whole "vote with your wallet" thing... wouldn't this allow consumers to make a more informed choice, thus making it easier to, in fact, vote with their wallets? Why is that bad?

If you need a rating on a game to buy it you probably dont know enough about the game to have a valid reason for buying it in the first place.

 Goliath wrote:

Goliath wrote:I'm sure plenty of non-white males play games, but I'm fairly sure that you're probably the dominant race in your country and so many games will be made with you as the target, which won't be the case for non-white males or non-males in Sweden.

Sining wrote:You're simply racist because you assumed you knew what types of game I was playing based on my ethnicity and country. "Games catered to my ethnicity because my ethnicity is dominant in my country" indeed. I mean, is there anything else you would like to tell me about my country and the people who play games in it while having not lived in my country?

No, I didn't. I assumed you'd have more games available. Not which games that you play, but which games you have available, and as has already been stated, I didn't make any assumptions about which games you play, only which games you have available. I mean, 'made with you as a target' can be as simple localisation, or translation, and even so 'male' is still targeting you.

Apart from the fact that you've just accused me of being racist for making vaguely similar assumptions to the ones you made in the OP, why is it suddenly that people that make a fuss about being annoyed at overly sensitive people (with regards to gender/sexism) seem to be really overly sensitive at the moment?

Not so comfortable when the shoe's on the other foot now is it?
Let's revisit your quote here "I'm sure plenty of non-white males play games, but I'm fairly sure that you're probably the dominant race in your country and so many games will be made with you as the target, which won't be the case for non-white males or non-males in Sweden." You're making a lot of very very specific assumptions here, most of which are directly related to my race and country. It would be the equivalent of me saying 'oh, you're from UK? You must eat a lot of fish and chips'.

And secondly, your assumptions are totally wrong in the first place. You're kind of assuming that over here, we're more comfortable playing characters that are like us, which is basically implying we're racist and we like playing our own race. If that was true, I guess I should only be playing the monk and wizard in Diablo III cause they're asian in appearance -_-.

Not everyone enjoys planning out every single purchase. Impulse buys are perfectly acceptable ways to spend extra cash, and giving more information to people whom do impulse buys isn't a bad thing.