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Well I've got 3 60's now (Sentinel, Juggernaut, Gunslinger) and the lack of content at 60 is a bit of bummer. Wish they'd bring back 12x XP so I could level my Commando and Shadow.

I absolutely hate Powertech playstyle for both DPS specs now. They really effed over the pyro discipline good. It used to be bloody amazing, not it flat out sucks to play as. Sitting at 55 with 500 professions. :/

Essentially Bioware swapped builds for DPS Powertech/Vanguard from their old ones. DPS Vanguard was awesome at first when I was just doing low level story missions but had problems later until I got the rotation down and realized High Impact Bolt/Rail Shot refresh the bleed effect. Now I just run up and stab them then move back and just shoot a lot, as HIB/RS will proc quite a bit. That is also important since you control you Heat/Ammo by shooting bleeding targets. The old versions Prototype/Tactics regenerated energy (well, vented heat for Powertech) automatically, now the other tree does that. The other tree you used to have to shoot burning targets, which you don't have to anymore.

 Psienesis wrote:
You are correct on the options in DAI, but you have like 8 to 12 characters to choose from for romance options, rather than 4.

SWTOR still has no non-hetero Companion characters, though you can now flirt with certain same-gendered NPCs in certain locations (Makeb, Bounty Week NPCs in the cantinas, the Sith Lady or Thereon Shan (sp?) in the Forged Alliances storyline and... one other I'm forgetting at the moment.)

Er, I was talking about DA:O, not DA:I with the "4 options" thing. I haven't gotten to DA:I yet; actually I haven't even finished DA:O yet.

I haven't done any of the same sex flirting stuff on Makeb or anything. Only been through on my (female) Operative, duoing with a male powertech. He got to flirt and man were those voice overs awkward. Like, not for the players, but the actual banter seemed to awkward in the game.

The Romance quests in SWTOR are pretty terribad, from a writing perspective... but, then again, this is Star Wars. There are elements to the MMO that are direct call-backs to the movies, which also had terribly-written dialog.

Also also... the /boogie command (if you have it unlocked) is almost perfectly timed to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY


... just to point out how 70s the design of the game is intending to be... hence a lot of the haircuts (and the pantsuits).

 Psienesis wrote:
... just to point out how 70s the design of the game is intending to be... hence a lot of the haircuts (and the pantsuits).

Don't forget all those sweet sideburn options.

Ooh, yes... and the 70s porn-star look you can do with certain outfits and certain moustache options. I mean, seriously, it is Saturday Night Fever all up in this Fleet.

I really, really wish two things would happen.

1) Bring back 12x XP up to 55 for class quests (I still want to do the Sorcerer, Trooper, and Consular storylines)
2) Allow add ons. DoT specs are a pain to play as in OPs since you can't see when YOUR DoTs are about to fall off. Some kind of alert would be lovely. Also, I love DPS meters for the sole purpose of maximizing a given spec and comparing myself with other players to see if I can improve my rotation or something.

 Psienesis wrote:
You are correct on the options in DAI, but you have like 8 to 12 characters to choose from for romance options, rather than 4.

SWTOR still has no non-hetero Companion characters, though you can now flirt with certain same-gendered NPCs in certain locations (Makeb, Bounty Week NPCs in the cantinas, the Sith Lady or Thereon Shan (sp?) in the Forged Alliances storyline and... one other I'm forgetting at the moment.)

You do get to bone that Sith dude on Makeb as an Imp. IIRC.

Haven't done Makeb on an Imp, just Pub, and the only option is a geologist girl... though, iirc, you only get flirt options, I don't think it goes beyond that.

 Psienesis wrote:
Haven't done Makeb on an Imp, just Pub, and the only option is a geologist girl... though, iirc, you only get flirt options, I don't think it goes beyond that.

There is a Sith (male) and Imp Officer (female) that work with you initially to get to the planet but I don't know what the total story is as I haven't finished the Imp side on Makeb. Unlike the Rep side you have to do a bunch of quests to get to the hub so if you haven't gotten so far into it you can't even do Toborro's Courtyard.

Pub side doesn't get to TC until the very end of mission-chain, either. Other than EA cutting out the in-flight animations between the plateaus, I'm actually rather fond of Makeb... but flight-time is (on every other planet) time to refresh one's beverage... no such option on Makeb!

We start at the Planetary Governor's plantation, and you'll run back and forth to this place several times to get updates (why, again, do we carry holo-communicators if no one uses them?) and sent on to the next plateau

The story is also identical to every class (so far done it on both a GS and a Sage), which is kind of lame, but that's how it goes, I guess... though it's much easier on a Sage, as I just go around Forcequaking everything until they fall over.

 Psienesis wrote:
Pub side doesn't get to TC until the very end of mission-chain, either.

No, on the Rep side you can go straight to Makeb and take a flight to the area as the starting point and hub are the same. I have done that several times. You cannot, on the other hand, do that on the Imp side as you won't see a flight point until you have taken over the flight ring over that is the Imp hub several missions into that planet. You can get the mission on either side once you get the right level, but only the Imp side has to unlock the hub to get to it whereas on the Rep side you can get to the area right off.

Oh, yeah, but, then again, it's kind of a Republic world. That's not so uncommon... we have flight points to the entire planet, near as I can tell, but you won't ever visit more than, like, 6 of the 47 million plateaus.

Ive recently popped back on as well... My highest lvl is a 47 Merc, followed by my assassin and probably one other mid 20s character.

I'm on the RP server if anyone can persuade me to come back on.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I'm on the RP server if anyone can persuade me to come back on.

I'm on "Jedi Covenant"... which I think is an RP server, but I don't fething know.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I'm on the RP server if anyone can persuade me to come back on.

I'm on "Jedi Covenant"... which I think is an RP server, but I don't fething know.

I don't remember. I've not touched an MMO in over a month, I believe. Time goes quickly when you're not playing an MMO. And are drunk.

Every time a friend of mine asks me if I want to pick up SWTOR once again, I ask him if I can play a bounty hunter with a rifle, or a jedi shadow with a normal lightsaber.

So far, I haven't returned to that game.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I'm on the RP server if anyone can persuade me to come back on.

I'm on "Jedi Covenant"... which I think is an RP server, but I don't fething know.

We aren't. Or if we are I am doing it really wrong.

Vetril wrote:
Every time a friend of mine asks me if I want to pick up SWTOR once again, I ask him if I can play a bounty hunter with a rifle, or a jedi shadow with a normal lightsaber.

So far, I haven't returned to that game.

The class based weapons limits really bugged me too.

Actually Shadows can use regular sabers, but a few of their of their abilities require saberstaff.

 Ahtman wrote:
Actually Shadows can use regular sabers, but a few of their of their abilities require saberstaff.

Most of the useful abilities. I tried playing like that, you're better off jumping off a cliff, unluckily. :(

The dumbest limitation I found is that, as a sith sorcerer, to cast the lightning bubble that shields you, you need to have a lightsaber equipped. Makes no sense.

Vetril wrote:
Most of the useful abilities. I tried playing like that, you're better off jumping off a cliff, unluckily. :(

I didn't say it would be good, just that it was possible.

Trooper and Scoundrel can't use lightsabers either, how crazy is that?

That there were no impie classes that could use assault cannons really got under my skin. Although it did motivate me to play a trooper and darkside trooper was hilarious.

What annoyed me was that in cutscenes, even though you have a giant assault cannon or rifle on your back, you would always revert to a pistol. I WANT TO SHOOT THEM WITH MAH ASSAULT CANNON! PEW PEW PEW

 Ahtman wrote:
What annoyed me was that in cutscenes, even though you have a giant assault cannon or rifle on your back, you would always revert to a pistol. I WANT TO SHOOT THEM WITH MAH ASSAULT CANNON! PEW PEW PEW

In Dragon Age Origins, you had the murder knife. The knife you only used in cutscenes to kill things off screen. In SWTOR, you have the MURDER PISTOL

 Ahtman wrote:

Vetril wrote:
Most of the useful abilities. I tried playing like that, you're better off jumping off a cliff, unluckily. :(

I didn't say it would be good, just that it was possible.

Trooper and Scoundrel can't use lightsabers either, how crazy is that?

> Implying that a Jedi can use a saberstaff but can't use a normal lightsaber.

I recently returned to SWTOR too, I'm having quite a lot of fun with it but I see it still suffers from the usual Bioware problems, the "If you are good you are a saint, if you are evil, you are the spawn of the devil". I want my Satsuki, the Jedi Sentinel to be a badass, the same as the renegade path from Mass Effect, I'm doing what's good but she's gonna kick ass and she isn't taking any gak or sparing anyone that's on the wrong side of the law.

That means I'm still neutral with almost the same number of light / dark points because sometimes the dark option isn't "renegade", oh no, it's just fething evil

... that's how Lucas wrote it. The Dark Side of the Force is wantonly Evil.

Vetril wrote:
> Implying that a Jedi can use a saberstaff but can't use a normal lightsaber.

>using 4chan implying when you could just state your argument.

All Jedi/Sith can use a regular lightsaber, some just learn special techniques that are designed around dual wielding or wielding a saberstaff. Specific techniques for specific weapon types is not a new or radical idea. One does not complain that long spear attacks are different than sword attacks after all.

 Psienesis wrote:
... that's how Lucas wrote it. The Dark Side of the Force is wantonly Evil.

Indeed. The Imperial Operative and Bounty Hunter aren't quite so bad but Lucas has always presented those who revel in the Dark Side as being fairly evil.