SWTOR (Star Wars The Old Republic)

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**LordofHats**

The Forms still appear to be canon. In Rebels, Form III is acknowledged by the Inquisitor, who himself fights with the very distinct Makashi style. His description of Form III is perfectly in line with Soresu.

He also acknowledges Deba Billaba as the master who trained Kaden, who in the old lore was a master of Vaapad but did not teach it to her students; she taught them Form III instead.

Disney's decision on Canon was never about throwing all the old lore out the window, simply freeing themselves from being bound to years and years of it. Thus far, it seems the Forms are still kosher.

and from a class perspective, giving the BH a rifle makes it far too similar to the Agent.

But my BH would be so much better with a rifle XD

**Ensis Ferrae**

LordofHats wrote:

and from a class perspective, giving the BH a rifle makes it far too similar to the Agent.

But my BH would be so much better with a rifle XD

Perhaps carbine would be the better term??

**Seaward**

thedarkavenger wrote:
Vetril wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
The only reason I even bothered to respond to your posts was because I found your whole stint about the lack of Makashi so stupid I had to see how far you'd dig the hole

Way to miss my point.

Your entire point was that the game is too limiting because you want to be able to have access to every form as a Jedi.

Allow me to reiterate, THAT ISN'T HOW JEDI WORK. Time and time again, we have explained why the game is set the way it is, and as someone who is Oh-so-familiar with the Lore(I've read the EU books, even though they're not canon anymore. As well as having played every PnP RPG Star Wars had to date.), I can tell you that the game is correctly limiting from a lore, and gameplay perspective.

The player character is not a super-Jedi.The player Jedi isn't as powerful as Revan, who isn't skilled enough to master more than one school of lightsaber conflict. Furthermore, the player characters are spawned at a time during which Jedi are taught the schools of combat that best fit the war, and from a class perspective, giving the BH a rifle makes it far too similar to the Agent.

Technically speaking, Jedi ought to have [i[access[/i] to every form. That's different from mastery of every form.

**Ahtman**

Seaward wrote:
Technically speaking, Jedi ought to have access to every form. That's different from mastery of every form.

Technically the character does have access to any form, the player is just making a character that has chosen to learn one form. If you re-specialize one can have the ability to master up to three forms, essentially.

**LordofHats**

It's also a completely childish thing to quibble about. It's like people who argue about whether The Menagerie is 1 episode or 2.

**thedarkavenger**

Seaward wrote:
thedarkavenger wrote:
Vetril wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
The only reason I even bothered to respond to your posts was because I found your whole stint about the lack of Makashi so stupid I had to see how far you'd dig the hole

Way to miss my point.

Your entire point was that the game is too limiting because you want to be able to have access to every form as a Jedi.

Allow me to reiterate, THAT ISN'T HOW JEDI WORK. Time and time again, we have explained why the game is set the way it is, and as someone who is Oh-so-familiar with the Lore(I've read the EU books, even though they're not canon anymore. As well as having played every PnP RPG Star Wars had to date.), I can tell you that the game is correctly limiting from a lore, and gameplay perspective.

The player character is not a super-Jedi.The player Jedi isn't as powerful as Revan, who isn't skilled enough to master more than one school of lightsaber conflict. Furthermore, the player characters are spawned at a time during which Jedi are taught the schools of combat that best fit the war, and from a class perspective, giving the BH a rifle makes it far too similar to the Agent.

Technically speaking, Jedi ought to have [i[access[/i] to every form. That's different from mastery of every form.

Not really. If you don't train in combat, you'll have basic knowledge of Shii-Cho. That's it. Not all Jedi train in combat.

**Psienesis**

Also, as to the recreation or attempt at being Boba Fett...

There is not yet an in-game vehicle of a Chevrolet Corvette, so you cannot possibly be Boba Fett, as you will not have Fett's 'Vette.

**Necros**

I downloaded this last night and gave it a shot. Seems fun so far, but IMO I liked Wildstar better right outta the box. I made a sith inquisitor and I'm level 8 or so right now. I noticed I can get light side points or dark, would a light-side sith be dumb? Or am I better off giving in to my hate and suffering?

I'll probably just do the free to play version.. is it worth subscribing? I'll probably just be playing occasionally so I wasn't sure if $15 a month was worth it

**Ensis Ferrae**

Necros wrote:
I downloaded this last night and gave it a shot. Seems fun so far, but IMO I liked Wildstar better right outta the box. I made a sith inquisitor and I'm level 8 or so right now. I noticed I can get light side points or dark, would a light-side sith be dumb? Or am I better off giving in to my hate and suffering?

I'll probably just do the free to play version.. is it worth subscribing? I'll probably just be playing occasionally so I wasn't sure if $15 a month was worth it

From what I've been made to understand (and it's been talked about earlier in the thread).... Having some characters go "against the grain" can lead to some interesting/funny situations. Ultimately, when those decisions come up, do what feels natural to you

**Ahtman**

Essentially it boil down to Light Side being honorable and Dark Side being out for the path of least resistance. A Sith can be honorable and a Jedi can be indifferent to the lives of others, which obliviously leads to interesting options often.

**Necros**

Oh, so it's just for storyline stuff? I was thinking there would be special weapons or gear that only a light side or dark side could use

**Ahtman**

Necros wrote:
Oh, so it's just for storyline stuff? I was thinking there would be special weapons or gear that only a light side or dark side could use

Well there are relics up to a point only one side or the other can use, but that is pretty much only till 50 (I think). After 50 the Light/Dark side requirement disappears. At lower levels I remember seeing a few lightsabers with requirements but that is about it. If you want the dark side visual you have to have it turned on and level DS.

**Locclo**

I downloaded this a while ago when it went free to play. I don't know if I ran into a glitch or what, but it seemed like all of my character's animations were incredibly off. Like, I'd hit a skill, it would do damage to an enemy, and my character would just not do anything until a few seconds later, or there were times when I'd get knocked down, but still be able to skim around on my back before my character stood back up. It was just so jarring and hard to watch that I couldn't stand to play past the first few missions. Did anyone else have to deal with that, or was it just me?

**Ahtman**

Sounds like a glitch or horrible connection. Never had that issue.

**Frankenberry**

Downloaded this a month or two back and had a blast doing the F2P option; Female Inquisitor (feels right, oddly) and had an absolute blast.

Of course I know NOTHING about the universe outside of the movies and various tiny bits of trivia...so that sort of takes a bit of the shine off. But overall, I think it's a pretty decent game, should have been KotOR 3 in my opinion not an mmo, but still fun times.

Also, I've only played bits of KotOR, would that be a good way to finish my introduction to the universe and maybe prep myself a bit better for SWTOR?

**thedarkavenger**

Welp. I re-DL'd it. If anyone wants to do some stuff. I RP on the EU RP server.

**Psienesis**

Frankenberry wrote:
Downloaded this a month or two back and had a blast doing the F2P option; Female Inquisitor (feels right, oddly) and had an absolute blast.

Of course I know NOTHING about the universe outside of the movies and various tiny bits of trivia...so that sort of takes a bit of the shine off. But overall, I think it's a pretty decent game, should have been KotOR 3 in my opinion not an mmo, but still fun times.

Also, I've only played bits of KotOR, would that be a good way to finish my introduction to the universe and maybe prep myself a bit better for SWTOR?

You don't need to know much at all about the SW universe outside of the films to enjoy the game... and, in fact, you might find yourself better off not getting dragged into the interminable arguments in Gen Chat over what is and is not "canon".

**LordofHats**

But those are my favorite arguments in Gen Chat!

**thedarkavenger**

Psienesis wrote:
Frankenberry wrote:
Downloaded this a month or two back and had a blast doing the F2P option; Female Inquisitor (feels right, oddly) and had an absolute blast.

Of course I know NOTHING about the universe outside of the movies and various tiny bits of trivia...so that sort of takes a bit of the shine off. But overall, I think it's a pretty decent game, should have been KotOR 3 in my opinion not an mmo, but still fun times.

Also, I've only played bits of KotOR, would that be a good way to finish my introduction to the universe and maybe prep myself a bit better for SWTOR?

You don't need to know much at all about the SW universe outside of the films to enjoy the game... and, in fact, you might find yourself better off not getting dragged into the interminable arguments in Gen Chat over what is and is not "canon".

None of it i canon anymore!

**Ensis Ferrae**

Psienesis wrote:

You don't need to know much at all about the SW universe outside of the films to enjoy the game... and, in fact, you might find yourself better off not getting dragged into the interminable arguments in Gen Chat over what is and is not "canon".

Ironically, last night on one of the Imperial planets, Gen chat was flooded with "where do you get your news from" arguments, and US politics

**Ahtman**

General Chat in any game's hub(s) tend to be fairly awful.

**Psienesis**

It is no exception in TOR. The first thing I do is turn it off.

**thedarkavenger**

So I just hit 60 on my assassin. I like the story for SoR. Except how it portrays the player character.

**Necros**

I decided to subscribe for a month. Is it worth downloading that shadow of revan DLC? It was like $20 more. Or is it just for high level stuff?

I ended up sticking with a darth maul looking bounty hunter, probably because I have Mako tagging along to heal me.

Is the storyline pretty much the same for all characters, except for some class missions thrown in?

**curran12**

Each class has a unique storyline that travels with them all the way from 1 to 50. Each planet also has a storyline that all classes have that is unique to the planet and some sidequests.

**Necros**

Can you get new and better starships? The one I stole from the hangar is cool and all, but it'd be cool if you can get big ones. I'd rather have a big starship to decorate than a dumb stronghold. They should have done that in place of houses. I want my own star destroyer.

**streamdragon**

Necros wrote:
Can you get new and better starships? The one I stole from the hangar is cool and all, but it'd be cool if you can get big ones. I'd rather have a big starship to decorate than a dumb stronghold. They should have done that in place of houses. I want my own star destroyer.

What you have described is a guild flagship.

**curran12**

Necros wrote:
Can you get new and better starships? The one I stole from the hangar is cool and all, but it'd be cool if you can get big ones. I'd rather have a big starship to decorate than a dumb stronghold. They should have done that in place of houses. I want my own star destroyer.

Guilds can get those.

**thedarkavenger**

Necros wrote:
I decided to subscribe for a month. Is it worth downloading that shadow of revan DLC? It was like $20 more. Or is it just for high level stuff?

I ended up sticking with a darth maul looking bounty hunter, probably because I have Mako tagging along to heal me.

Is the storyline pretty much the same for all characters, except for some class missions thrown in?

Shadow of Revan adds high end content(55-60). And new planets. The story is good. Also, Gary. Gary is the best Sith ever, and he's not even a Sith!

Also, for healing you'll end up getting Treek. Everyone does.

**Necros**

ah, figures. I usually don't join guilds anymore :( I don'y play often enough, and sooner or later they always turn into dramafests over the stupidest things.